Guido on python3 for beginners

Rustom Mody rustompmody at
Thu Feb 18 07:25:17 EST 2016

On Thursday, February 18, 2016 at 12:17:26 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Wednesday 17 February 2016 19:51, Rustom Mody wrote:
> > I hope someone can help me find this link: There is some record that Guido
> > has said that python3 is probably a bit harder on noobs than python2.
> > 
> > Does anyone know/have that link?
> I can't say that I've seen it. I know that Raymond Hettinger is not too fond 
> of adding new syntactic features that add little in the way of power but 
> make the language harder to learn, but I don't recall anyone saying that it 
> is harder for newbies to get started with Python 3 than Python 2.
> There are more features in Python 3, so in that trivial sense of "more to 
> learn", I suppose that it is objectively correct that it is harder to learn 
> than Python 2. But I don't think the learning curve is any steeper. If 
> anything, the learning curve is ever-so-slightly less steep.
Thanks Steven!
So its Raymond Hettinger... Good enough

So now I find your earlier post:

Obviously google was not obliging when I searched for Guido :-)

BTW I have no tongs in this 2 vs 3 fire -- I'll leave that to Rick jmf and other
noble gentry.

My beef is somewhat different: viz that post 70s (Pascal) and 80s (scheme) 
programming pedagogy has deteriorated with general purpose languages replacing
'teaching-purpose language' for teaching.

Which is about as intelligent as calling Martha[1] and Rose[2] both pianists


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