Cult-like behaviour [was Re: Kindness]

Roel Schroeven roel at
Mon Jul 16 17:50:12 EDT 2018

Steven D'Aprano schreef op 16/07/2018 2:18:
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 16:08:15 -0700, Jim Lee wrote:
>> Python3 is intrinsically tied to Unicode for string handling. Therefore,
>> the Python programmer is forced to deal with it (in all but trivial
>> cases), rather than given a choice.  So I don't understand how I can
>> illustrate my point with Python code since Python won't let me deal with
>> strings without also dealing with Unicode.
> Nonsense.
> b"Look ma, a Python 2 style ASCII string."

Except for one little difference, which has bitten be me a few times. 
Consider this code:

from __future__ import print_function
s = b"Look ma, a Python 2 style ASCII string."
print('First element:', s[0])

Result in Python 2: First element: L
Result in Python 3: First element: 76

Likewise this code:

from __future__ import print_function
for e in b'hello':
   print(e, end=', ')

Result in Python 2: h, e, l, l, o,
Result in Python 3: 104, 101, 108, 108, 111,

There are times (encoding/decoding network protocols and other data 
formats) when I have a byte string and I want/need to process it like 
Python 2 does, and that is the one area where I feel Python 3 make 
things a bit more difficult.

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Roel Schroeven

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