Barry> Wonderful. Barry> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/135075 Wasn't a lot of our heartburn alwhile ago precipitated by Dave Love? He of the massive-patch-which-must-not-be-divided? In fact, isn't he the original author of the the python.el which *is* delivered with GNU Emacs? He must have a big bee in his bonnet. Skip