From a.badger at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 06:27:07 2010 From: a.badger at gmail.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 21:27:07 -0700 Subject: [Python-porting] Attempt to organize people who want to help port Message-ID: <20101021042707.GI3652@unaka.lan> After a few mailing list posts about porting to python3 when upstreams are dead, I've started a page to help organize people who want to do porting work without (previously :-) being associated with upstream. http://wiki.python.org/moin/PortingToPy3k/PortingHelpers This is very rough atm as I just brainstormed it in the past hour. I know that Barry Warsaw and Dave Malcolm are both interested in this as well. If we can keep up the momentum here we might get some useful information and get some more people interested in working on python3 porting. -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-porting/attachments/20101020/565e8b17/attachment.pgp> From barry at python.org Thu Oct 21 17:33:19 2010 From: barry at python.org (Barry Warsaw) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:33:19 -0400 Subject: [Python-porting] Attempt to organize people who want to help port In-Reply-To: <20101021042707.GI3652@unaka.lan> References: <20101021042707.GI3652@unaka.lan> Message-ID: <20101021113319.6894ba11@mission> On Oct 20, 2010, at 09:27 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >After a few mailing list posts about porting to python3 when upstreams are >dead, I've started a page to help organize people who want to do porting >work without (previously :-) being associated with upstream. > >http://wiki.python.org/moin/PortingToPy3k/PortingHelpers > >This is very rough atm as I just brainstormed it in the past hour. I know >that Barry Warsaw and Dave Malcolm are both interested in this as well. >If we can keep up the momentum here we might get some useful information >and get some more people interested in working on python3 porting. Thanks for getting this rolling Toshio. I've sent an email to the debian-python list to inform them of python-porting and the wiki page. I'll be really happy if we can rally the cross-distro troops to this important effort. Does anybody have connections to other communities of Linux distro developers or even other OS developers? If so, please invite them to this mailing list and point them at the wiki page. Cheers, -Barry P.S. We should definitely have a talk at Pycon about these efforts. Who wants to (co-)give a talk? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I know > >that Barry Warsaw and Dave Malcolm are both interested in this as well. > >If we can keep up the momentum here we might get some useful information > >and get some more people interested in working on python3 porting. > > Thanks for getting this rolling Toshio. I've sent an email to the > debian-python list to inform them of python-porting and the wiki page. > I'll > be really happy if we can rally the cross-distro troops to this important > effort. > > Does anybody have connections to other communities of Linux distro > developers > or even other OS developers? If so, please invite them to this mailing > list > and point them at the wiki page. > > Cheers, > -Barry > > P.S. We should definitely have a talk at Pycon about these efforts. Who > wants > to (co-)give a talk? +1 on a PyCon talk. The PSF Sprints group would love to support more porting sprints (only two so far), and getting PyCon attendees into porting initiatives would be great. I'd be up for co-speaking on behalf of the sprints group to let people know what resources are available and what porting efforts are going on, along with whatever of my porting experience people would find relevant. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-porting/attachments/20101021/73ffb3d4/attachment.html> From brett at python.org Thu Oct 21 19:03:10 2010 From: brett at python.org (Brett Cannon) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:03:10 -0700 Subject: [Python-porting] Attempt to organize people who want to help port In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=hJuStYx81s9EvfME4x=nxo9XxcMEA99DFqTpj@mail.gmail.com> References: <20101021042707.GI3652@unaka.lan> <20101021113319.6894ba11@mission> <AANLkTi=hJuStYx81s9EvfME4x=nxo9XxcMEA99DFqTpj@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <AANLkTi=Kw1W0CWKv-uRYtry2+c33feBkGCEWhXJb5sno@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 08:58, Brian Curtin <brian.curtin at gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:33, Barry Warsaw <barry at python.org> wrote: >> >> On Oct 20, 2010, at 09:27 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: >> >> >After a few mailing list posts about porting to python3 when upstreams >> > are >> >dead, I've started a page to help organize people who want to do porting >> >work without (previously :-) being associated with upstream. >> > >> >http://wiki.python.org/moin/PortingToPy3k/PortingHelpers >> > >> >This is very rough atm as I just brainstormed it in the past hour. ?I >> > know >> >that Barry Warsaw and Dave Malcolm are both interested in this as well. >> >If we can keep up the momentum here we might get some useful information >> >and get some more people interested in working on python3 porting. >> >> Thanks for getting this rolling Toshio. ?I've sent an email to the >> debian-python list to inform them of python-porting and the wiki page. >> ?I'll >> be really happy if we can rally the cross-distro troops to this important >> effort. >> >> Does anybody have connections to other communities of Linux distro >> developers >> or even other OS developers? ?If so, please invite them to this mailing >> list >> and point them at the wiki page. >> >> Cheers, >> -Barry >> >> P.S. We should definitely have a talk at Pycon about these efforts. ?Who >> wants >> to (co-)give a talk? > > +1 on a PyCon talk. > The PSF Sprints group would love to support more porting sprints (only two > so far), and getting PyCon attendees into porting initiatives would be > great. I'd be up for co-speaking on behalf of the sprints group to let > people know what resources are available and what porting efforts are going > on, along with whatever of my porting experience people would find relevant. Part 2 of my PSF grant is to write a Python 2/3 HOWTO (planning on 2to3, source compat, and 3to2 discussions) which should hopefully help get people more motivated to help port. From a.badger at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 20:59:43 2010 From: a.badger at gmail.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:59:43 -0700 Subject: [Python-porting] Attempt to organize people who want to help port In-Reply-To: <20101021113319.6894ba11@mission> References: <20101021042707.GI3652@unaka.lan> <20101021113319.6894ba11@mission> Message-ID: <20101021185943.GO3652@unaka.lan> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 11:33:19AM -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Oct 20, 2010, at 09:27 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > > >After a few mailing list posts about porting to python3 when upstreams are > >dead, I've started a page to help organize people who want to do porting > >work without (previously :-) being associated with upstream. > > > >http://wiki.python.org/moin/PortingToPy3k/PortingHelpers > > > >This is very rough atm as I just brainstormed it in the past hour. I know > >that Barry Warsaw and Dave Malcolm are both interested in this as well. > >If we can keep up the momentum here we might get some useful information > >and get some more people interested in working on python3 porting. > > Thanks for getting this rolling Toshio. I've sent an email to the > debian-python list to inform them of python-porting and the wiki page. I'll > be really happy if we can rally the cross-distro troops to this important > effort. > > Does anybody have connections to other communities of Linux distro developers > or even other OS developers? If so, please invite them to this mailing list > and point them at the wiki page. > I've sent a message to the fedora python lists and also to distributions freedesktop.org list (where a few people from many distros are subscribed). > > P.S. We should definitely have a talk at Pycon about these efforts. Who wants > to (co-)give a talk? I might -- depends on what we can get rolling before then. Not a lot of time to get this rolling though. A lightning talk would be great if we don't get to the point where we can give a full talk. If we don't get a lot setup, I'd still be up for actually coding on infrastructure to make porting easier/doing porting at the hackfest. -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-porting/attachments/20101021/af54ac4b/attachment.pgp> From a.badger at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 21:03:27 2010 From: a.badger at gmail.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 12:03:27 -0700 Subject: [Python-porting] Third party module porting notes Message-ID: <20101021190327.GP3652@unaka.lan> Someone on the Fedora lists mentioned that the PyQt4 module uses a different API depending on whether it's being run on python-2 or python-3. I've added a section to the wiki to capture information like that: http://wiki.python.org/moin/PortingPythonToPy3k#differences-in-specific-libraries http://wiki.python.org/moin/PortingPythonToPy3k/PyQt4 If you have any other third party module changes that are relevant to python3 porting feel free to add a page and link it to that section as well. -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There's plenty more information just in Fedora, let alone the other distros about the python3 module packages that we've created but it would be nice to figure out what data we're targetting and how we want to organize it before doing the data entry work. -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Not sure whether the wiki is the best place to track it. > > What do people think? there's similar table on Fedora's wiki? and on Debian's?, but having a central place on python.org is a good idea (just added my tiny Mako patch there). IMO, this page is not the best place for a discussion/questions/etc. though. I, for example, would want to know why do you invoke `2to3 --write --nobackups . ` in Beaker - I didn't need that in my package, isn't use_2to3=True in setup.py enough? Should questions like this be sent to this mailing list or added to the wiki? [?] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Python3F13 [?] http://wiki.debian.org/Python/SqueezePy3k -- Piotr O?arowski Debian GNU/Linux Developer www.ozarowski.pl www.griffith.cc www.debian.org GPG Fingerprint: 1D2F A898 58DA AF62 1786 2DF7 AEF6 F1A2 A745 7645 From piotr at debian.org Tue Oct 26 23:24:50 2010 From: piotr at debian.org (Piotr =?utf-8?Q?O=C5=BCarowski?=) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 23:24:50 +0200 Subject: [Python-porting] Example of data to collect In-Reply-To: <20101026203735.GL22683@piotro.eu> References: <20101026193220.GH14816@unaka.lan> <20101026203735.GL22683@piotro.eu> Message-ID: <20101026212450.GA5798@piotro.eu> [Piotr O?arowski, 2010-10-26] > [?] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Python3F13 should be https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Python3 -- Piotr O?arowski Debian GNU/Linux Developer www.ozarowski.pl www.griffith.cc www.debian.org GPG Fingerprint: 1D2F A898 58DA AF62 1786 2DF7 AEF6 F1A2 A745 7645 From a.badger at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 17:18:38 2010 From: a.badger at gmail.com (Toshio Kuratomi) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 08:18:38 -0700 Subject: [Python-porting] Example of data to collect In-Reply-To: <20101026203735.GL22683@piotro.eu> References: <20101026193220.GH14816@unaka.lan> <20101026203735.GL22683@piotro.eu> Message-ID: <20101027151837.GI14816@unaka.lan> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 10:37:35PM +0200, Piotr O?arowski wrote: > [Toshio Kuratomi, 2010-10-26] > > I've put together a few entries for a table of useful information on python3 > > module status: > > > > http://wiki.python.org/moin/PortingToPy3k/Modules > > > > It involves some labor to create and manage that sort of table so there may > > be a better way. Not sure whether the wiki is the best place to track it. > > > > What do people think? > > there's similar table on Fedora's wiki? and on Debian's?, but having a > central place on python.org is a good idea (just added my tiny Mako > patch there). > Okay, I'll continue adding the information from Fedora's wiki of known status. Anyone care to add information from the Debian page? I'll also see about getting Fedora people to add their information to the python.org page instead and deprecate the Fedora-specific page so that we don't get out of sync. > IMO, this page is not the best place for a discussion/questions/etc. > though. I, for example, would want to know why do you invoke `2to3 --write > --nobackups . ` in Beaker - I didn't need that in my package, isn't > use_2to3=True in setup.py enough? Should questions like this be sent to > this mailing list or added to the wiki? > I vote mailing list for lack of a better place. Ideally, someone would bring up the issue: "Hey, why is running 2to3 on beaker necessary? I don't run it in the Debian package and it seems to work fine. This is with Beaker version 1.5.3." Then other people with beaker packages/builds would try it out and say: "You're right. I just tried it and it works here too. I'll correct it in our packages as well." The data on the wiki would be updated for future users and all of the beaker packagers would be notified and update their packages. Better than either the mailing list or wiki page would probably be an issue tracker where we could assign the people building/packaging the modules for each Linux distribution (and other interested parties) to the issues. That way we'd be sure that the right people were getting contacted about each package. Using the mailing list as the medium, it'll probably fall to certain contact people to make sure that the right people are being told of these issues which is less efficient and leads to single points of failure. Doable in the short term but we'd be better off with something else in the long term. -Toshio -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My main focus in in the GNOME desktop world and I am happy to assist where needed in this context as well as lend a hand reviewing patches and the like for modules outside of my main domain. -- John (J5) Palmieri Software Engineer Red Hat, Inc. From zubin.mithra at gmail.com Sun Oct 31 20:07:40 2010 From: zubin.mithra at gmail.com (Zubin Mithra) Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 00:37:40 +0530 Subject: [Python-porting] Attempt to organize people who want to help port In-Reply-To: <20101021042707.GI3652@unaka.lan> References: <20101021042707.GI3652@unaka.lan> Message-ID: <AANLkTi=yc2D56+nhEAru8QS_qoMLAx4uOxmJqx16tDLg@mail.gmail.com> Hello Toshio, > After a few mailing list posts about porting to python3 when upstreams are > dead, I've started a page to help organize people who want to do porting > work without (previously :-) being associated with upstream. > Thanks for taking the initiative on this one! I would like to contribute to this effort. I am currently working on porting configobj to Python3k and expect to get it done within the coming month. I feel that if we can generate a list of packages rated by importance(`importance` here being the number of packages which require this package as a dependency) we should be able to focus our energies better on porting them over first. I feel that most developers are reluctant to work on porting their dependencies too, aside from their own package(which is of course, understandable); hence this approach might be of help in that case. zm > > http://wiki.python.org/moin/PortingToPy3k/PortingHelpers > > This is very rough atm as I just brainstormed it in the past hour. I know > that Barry Warsaw and Dave Malcolm are both interested in this as well. > If we can keep up the momentum here we might get some useful information > and get some more people interested in working on python3 porting. > > -Toshio > > _______________________________________________ > Python-porting mailing list > Python-porting at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-porting > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-porting/attachments/20101101/083d5234/attachment.html>