[python-uk] python-uk Digest, Vol 160, Issue 18
Andy Idiaghe
andy.idiaghe at gmail.com
Wed Dec 7 08:46:54 EST 2016
To be fairly honest I for one agree with both parties. Having a CoC for an
email list is a silly idea and brings literally nothing to the table.
Now I do think Richard proved that ppl can be rude or "offensive" on the
web to a certain degree, but I do think he makes fair points about the
initial post.
I don't believe the recruiter was guilt free, as the post was clearly spam.
And yes I would have referred to Sophie as "the recruiter" as well because
I don't (personally) care about the gender or whatever but I do care about
what she was trying to convey.
It's 2017 guys (*sighs* and girls), getting offended over words on the
Internet is ridiculous imho. Take a walk or something.
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> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 12:49:15 +0000
> From: Steve Holden <steve at holdenweb.com>
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> Subject: Re: [python-uk] 2 Principle Engineer roles in London up to
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> Great heavens, I'd have thought it was obvious that anyone telling a woman
> to "get a pair of balls" clearly has trouble perceiving women and men
> through the same set of filters. And now you involve the deity, albeit as a
> free variable. Then you interpret civil (though critical) comments about
> your behaviour (rather than about you) as personal bullying.
>
> I am struggling to understand your world view. S
>
> Steve Holden
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Richard Smith <richard at indigo3.com>
> wrote:
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> > On Wed, 7 Dec 2016 at 12:33 Daniele Procida <daniele at vurt.org> wrote:
> >
> >> So, you are literally saying that the only way to get by here is by
> being
> >> a man.
> >>
> >> I see Sophie's problem all too clearly.
> >
> >
> > *blink*[0]
> >
> > Words escape me to explain quite how moronic that statement is. Let me
> > rephrase for your benefit[1]:
> >
> > For getattr(universe, 'deity')'s sake, grow up and talk to people.
> >
> > Now who's getting personal and going off on the bullying. That's
> enough...
> > I'm out of here.
> >
> > ~ Rich
> >
> > [0] I know, I said I wouldn't contribute further, but this entire
> response
> > requires something
> > [1] I honestly can't believe you think *that* has any bearing on my
> > opinion or thinking.
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> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Richard Barran <
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> > I am reading your last 2 sentences and I hope I?m horribly
> > misunderstanding your post; I?m reading that you are implying that I was
> > picking on someone?s disability. Could you just confirm that I?ve got it
> > completely wrong?
> >
>
> I'd have thought that was meant as a general injunction to us all rather
> than guidance intended for you personally. But other interpretations are
> possible. Personally I try to err on the side o fth emost charitable, in
> the interests of keeping email volumes down ;-)
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> regards
> Steve
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> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 13:12:17 +0000
> From: Thomas Kluyver <thomas at kluyver.me.uk>
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> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, at 11:54 AM, Richard Smith wrote:
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> > <snip judgmental PC bollocks handwringing>
>
> > ...
>
> > For getattr(universe, 'deity')'s sake, grow some balls and talk
> > to people.
> ...
>
> > Words escape me to explain quite how moronic that statement is.
>
>
>
> Now you are unquestionably being rude to first Cory, then Daniele. The
> more messages like this I see, the more I agree that a code of conduct
> is necessary. If you don't think CoCs are necessary, please demonstrate
> that by remaining civil in the absence of one.
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> Thomas
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> From: Pepper R. <ryan.pepper at soton.ac.uk>
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> Once again, the volume of discussion on whether recruitment emails are
> appropriate for the list is larger than the volume of recruitment emails we
> get on this list....
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> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 4:19 AM +0000, "Daniele Procida" <daniele at vurt.org
> <mailto:daniele at vurt.org>> wrote:
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> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016, Richard Smith <richard at indigo3.com> wrote:
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> >However, lets not forget what the original post was, which is spam. I
> >object to having that kind of content in my mailbox (have subsequently
> >added the OP to my shitlist in GApps).
>
> It wasn't spam. We have discussed several times whether recruitment
> messages are welcome here. To date, we've not come to any consensus that
> they are not.
>
> >It was clear from the OPs post that no thought was put into making the
> post
> >and that her intention was simply to float it out there to get some fish
> >biting.
> >
> >Had Sophie made an effort, perhaps I might have been more accommodating.
> As
> >it stands, I've no interest in dealing with lazy recruitment agents.
>
> This is rudeness bordering on abuse, and it's definitely not acceptable on
> this email list.
>
> Daniele
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