[python-uk] Coding "Bootcamps"

Hansel Dunlop hansel at interpretthis.org
Wed May 18 06:33:50 EDT 2016

As someone who has been recruiting junior developers this year. I can say
that the boot camps don't do much to differentiate you from the pack. There
is also a very large number of people coming out of them meeting a much
smaller amount of actual demand for people at that stage of their career.
And they are VERY expensive and some of them charge employers to hire their
students. i.e they are operating like recruiters.

Maybe your friend has a project that he could spend his evenings working on
instead? I would always hire someone who had made something over someone
that hadn't.


On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Nicholas H.Tollervey <ntoll at ntoll.org>

> As someone with a background in Philosophy I can see where your friend
> is coming from. ;-)
> As far as I can tell, the bootcamps are not worth the money for the
> following reasons:
> * They're expensive for what you get.
> * They're all about cramming facts.
> * They teach specific technologies rather than software engineering.
> Having said that, some may be quite good but your mileage might vary.
> What I would do is find a university that does evening classes (such as
> Birkbeck College, University of London) or sign up to the OU for a
> taster, and take an introductory course in programming. I'd also
> encourage your friend to think of a problem they're interested in and
> use that as the basis / inspiration for learning things. If they want to
> learn Python, bring them to the London Python Code Dojo and get them to
> engage with the community. Finally, if they want to jump in with both
> feet, they could sign up for a "conversion" MSc in Computing (for people
> with undergraduate degrees in non-computing subjects). That's what I did.
> Hope this helps,
> N.
> On 18/05/16 10:59, John via python-uk wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > A philosopher friend of mine wants to transition into working as a
> > software developer (paying work in philosophy being a bit rare). He
> > lives in London, and is considering signing up for one of the Coding
> > "Bootcamps" that various organisations run. I wondered if any of you
> > have any recommendations you could make, and indeed whether any of these
> > bootcamps teach Python?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
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