[python-uk] Coding "Bootcamps"

Zeth theology at gmail.com
Wed May 18 10:52:39 EDT 2016

On 18 May 2016 at 11:33, Hansel Dunlop <hansel at interpretthis.org> wrote:
> Maybe your friend has a project that he could spend his evenings working on
> instead? I would always hire someone who had made something over someone
> that hadn't.

My degrees are in econometrics and theology, and I also somehow found
myself making a living from writing code. I know theology is much more
practical than philosophy but I am sure the same logic applies*

Obviously I don't know anything about where you friend is in terms of
skills but he could just host his own bootcamp at home, nothing really
beats just getting down and writing software, a week doing that would
never be wasted.

I don't know if this counts as philosophy but I like this bit from one
of my heroes, GCC and Emacs inventor Richard Stallman#:

"Yoda's aphorism (“There is no ‘try’”) sounds neat, but it doesn't
work for me. I have done most of my work while anxious about whether I
could do the job, and unsure that it would be enough to achieve the
goal if I did. But I tried anyway, because there was no one but me
between the enemy and my city. Surprising myself, I have sometimes

Best Wishes,

* I should point out that was a joke obviously, just in case the
computer science majors get confused.
# http://www.gnu.org/gnu/thegnuproject.en.html

> Hansel
> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Nicholas H.Tollervey <ntoll at ntoll.org>
> wrote:
>> As someone with a background in Philosophy I can see where your friend
>> is coming from. ;-)
>> As far as I can tell, the bootcamps are not worth the money for the
>> following reasons:
>> * They're expensive for what you get.
>> * They're all about cramming facts.
>> * They teach specific technologies rather than software engineering.
>> Having said that, some may be quite good but your mileage might vary.
>> What I would do is find a university that does evening classes (such as
>> Birkbeck College, University of London) or sign up to the OU for a
>> taster, and take an introductory course in programming. I'd also
>> encourage your friend to think of a problem they're interested in and
>> use that as the basis / inspiration for learning things. If they want to
>> learn Python, bring them to the London Python Code Dojo and get them to
>> engage with the community. Finally, if they want to jump in with both
>> feet, they could sign up for a "conversion" MSc in Computing (for people
>> with undergraduate degrees in non-computing subjects). That's what I did.
>> Hope this helps,
>> N.
>> On 18/05/16 10:59, John via python-uk wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > A philosopher friend of mine wants to transition into working as a
>> > software developer (paying work in philosophy being a bit rare). He
>> > lives in London, and is considering signing up for one of the Coding
>> > "Bootcamps" that various organisations run. I wondered if any of you
>> > have any recommendations you could make, and indeed whether any of these
>> > bootcamps teach Python?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> >
>> >
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