From rumata-estor at nm.ru  Wed Feb  1 09:27:04 2006
From: rumata-estor at nm.ru (Dmitry Belyaev)
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:27:04 +0300
Subject: [PythonCE]  Python 2.3.5 for Windows CE / ARM (Pocket PC 2003)
Message-ID: <43E070D8.7020704@nm.ru>

I tryed to compile PythonCE but received following message during 
compilation:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        rc.exe /l 0x409 /fobinaries\ARMRel420\pythoncore\python_nt.res  
/i ..\..
\Include /i ..\..\PC\WinCE  /d UNDER_CE=420 /d _WIN32_WCE=420 /d UNICODE 
/d _UNI
CODE /d "WIN32_PLATFORM_PSPC=420"   /d "ARM" /d "_ARM_" /r  /d "NDEBUG" 
/r ..\..
\PC\WinCe\python_nt.rc
..\..\PC\WinCe\..\python_nt.rc(4) : fatal error RC1015: cannot open 
include file
 'winver.h'.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What should I do to be able to compile it?

From TGalvin at geminidataloggers.com  Wed Feb  1 12:54:05 2006
From: TGalvin at geminidataloggers.com (Tom Galvin)
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:54:05 -0000
Subject: [PythonCE]   Python 2.3.5 for Windows CE / ARM (Pocket PC
Message-ID: <C9D19A363862284F9FA316375A3638CB463367@mercury.internal.geminidataloggers.com>

I had this error message with incorrectly formatted paths in WCEARM.bat.

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I tryed to compile PythonCE but received following message during 
compilation:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
        rc.exe /l 0x409 /fobinaries\ARMRel420\pythoncore\python_nt.res  
/i ..\..
\Include /i ..\..\PC\WinCE  /d UNDER_CE=420 /d _WIN32_WCE=420 /d UNICODE

/d _UNI
CODE /d "WIN32_PLATFORM_PSPC=420"   /d "ARM" /d "_ARM_" /r  /d "NDEBUG" 
/r ..\..
\PC\WinCe\python_nt.rc
..\..\PC\WinCe\..\python_nt.rc(4) : fatal error RC1015: cannot open 
include file
 'winver.h'.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
What should I do to be able to compile it?


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From rumata-estor at nm.ru  Wed Feb  1 15:39:56 2006
From: rumata-estor at nm.ru (Dmitry Belyaev)
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 17:39:56 +0300
Subject: [PythonCE] Python 2.3.5 for Windows CE / ARM (Pocket PC 2003)
In-Reply-To: <43E070D8.7020704@nm.ru>
References: <43E070D8.7020704@nm.ru>
Message-ID: <43E0C83C.1070902@nm.ru>

Oh, I found that my SDK directory is not like "Pocket PC 2003" but 
"STANDARDSDK".
Anyway, I wasn't able to compile it until I modified "set INCLUDE" and 
"set LIB" directives
for full path to my SDK.

So, now I have built python23.lib and working version of expat module.

Dmitry Belyaev wrote:

> I tryed to compile PythonCE but received following message during 
> compilation:
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>
>        rc.exe /l 0x409 /fobinaries\ARMRel420\pythoncore\python_nt.res  
> /i ..\..
> \Include /i ..\..\PC\WinCE  /d UNDER_CE=420 /d _WIN32_WCE=420 /d 
> UNICODE /d _UNI
> CODE /d "WIN32_PLATFORM_PSPC=420"   /d "ARM" /d "_ARM_" /r  /d 
> "NDEBUG" /r ..\..
> \PC\WinCe\python_nt.rc
> ..\..\PC\WinCe\..\python_nt.rc(4) : fatal error RC1015: cannot open 
> include file
> 'winver.h'.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>
> What should I do to be able to compile it?
>

From Scottandtracee at Netscape.com  Wed Feb  1 23:59:08 2006
From: Scottandtracee at Netscape.com (Scott and Tracee Lang)
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 17:59:08 -0500
Subject: [PythonCE] What is Latest PythonCE.Mips version
Message-ID: <43E13D3C.3000107@Netscape.com>

Hello, I am new to this list. I am currently taking a college 
programming class in python.
I was wondering if someone could tell me what is the last successfully 
ported version of PythonCE
for the mips. processor. The latest versions I have located seem to be 
for the arm. processor only??
I have installed the following: PythonCE22_hpc2000.mips, on my NEC 
Mobilepro 790, and it runs just fine.
I would like to have the latest. Thankyou.
Scottandtracee at netscape.com

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From shane.holloway at ieee.org  Thu Feb  9 22:18:08 2006
From: shane.holloway at ieee.org (Shane Holloway (IEEE))
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 14:18:08 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] ceFile.py implementing basic file-like interface
Message-ID: <86641FA7-E435-4254-962D-229F91484997@ieee.org>

Hey Everyone,

Just thought I'd upload our latest RAPI code that implements a file  
like object for reading and writing over RAPI.  Hope you all find it  
helpful!  Currently, it doesn't support the readline and iterator  
type thing, though that should be doable on top of this interface.   
Just didn't have time to tackle that piece when I was writing it.

Enjoy!
-Shane & Brian


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From: shane.holloway at ieee.org (Shane Holloway (IEEE))
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 14:18:08 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] ceFile.py implementing basic file-like interface
Message-ID: <86641FA7-E435-4254-962D-229F91484997@ieee.org>

Hey Everyone,

Just thought I'd upload our latest RAPI code that implements a file  
like object for reading and writing over RAPI.  Hope you all find it  
helpful!  Currently, it doesn't support the readline and iterator  
type thing, though that should be doable on top of this interface.   
Just didn't have time to tackle that piece when I was writing it.

Enjoy!
-Shane & Brian


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From zblace at gmail.com  Sun Feb 12 12:34:54 2006
From: zblace at gmail.com (zeljko blace)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:34:54 +0100
Subject: [PythonCE] using PythonCE to cluster a set of Axim X5 devices to
	interact and display images/video as single device...
Message-ID: <ffdd16f00602120334i79d4a0f1r12adedd15c996bf6@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list members,
here is a post from curious newbie (so pardon my lack of Python overview)

I am brainstorming on how to visualize a software project that deals
with per-frame video editing (obviously very short animations) and
make it excessible to the kids...

I own Axim X5 (thinking of getting few more) and have a friend that is
expert Python programer with whome I might try to test this scenario:
1) Have 4 (up to 8) Axim X5 devices running PocketPC 2003,
2) single PC running whatever (Windows/Linux/MacOSX)
3) connect them through IrDa connection to PC
4) get them to display in full screen locally storred images
5) when any of them is touched - notify PC which would send update to
the devices what would be the next image to display...

So what is needed is:
* (reliable) way to communicate fast (tiny amount of info on images)
in-between individual devices and PC and back
* software that would display in full screen images and videos
(hopefully open source so it can be made to send out signals on
interaction with PC and pick up images without relaying much on system
software)

Anyone done anything similar or has ideas on how to approach this?

--
http://basis.desk.org:8080/ASU2/TravelPlan
Goethe - "What is important in life is life, and not the result of life."

From javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu  Tue Feb 14 03:06:15 2006
From: javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu (javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 21:06:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PythonCE] PythonCE Digest, Vol 31, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <mailman.33.1139828406.13710.pythonce@python.org>
References: <mailman.33.1139828406.13710.pythonce@python.org>
Message-ID: <1498.172.23.105.248.1139882775.squirrel@webmail.eden.rutgers.edu>

One possibility might be to set up a local website and have the pocketPCs
communicate . Using windows I get internet access on my pda when its
connected through usb. On the other hand, I'm not sure if you can have
multiple computers connected via one irda port.

I don't want to pretend to know what I'm doing but it seems like an
interesting idea. I'm not quite sure that I understand what the big
picture is though.

> Send PythonCE mailing list submissions to
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>    1. using PythonCE to cluster a set of Axim X5 devices to
>       interact and display images/video as single device... (zeljko blace)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:34:54 +0100
> From: zeljko blace <zblace at gmail.com>
> Subject: [PythonCE] using PythonCE to cluster a set of Axim X5 devices
> 	to	interact and display images/video as single device...
> To: pythonce at python.org
> Cc: Aleksandar Erkalovic <aco at mi2.hr>
> Message-ID:
> 	<ffdd16f00602120334i79d4a0f1r12adedd15c996bf6 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Dear list members,
> here is a post from curious newbie (so pardon my lack of Python overview)
>
> I am brainstorming on how to visualize a software project that deals
> with per-frame video editing (obviously very short animations) and
> make it excessible to the kids...
>
> I own Axim X5 (thinking of getting few more) and have a friend that is
> expert Python programer with whome I might try to test this scenario:
> 1) Have 4 (up to 8) Axim X5 devices running PocketPC 2003,
> 2) single PC running whatever (Windows/Linux/MacOSX)
> 3) connect them through IrDa connection to PC
> 4) get them to display in full screen locally storred images
> 5) when any of them is touched - notify PC which would send update to
> the devices what would be the next image to display...
>
> So what is needed is:
> * (reliable) way to communicate fast (tiny amount of info on images)
> in-between individual devices and PC and back
> * software that would display in full screen images and videos
> (hopefully open source so it can be made to send out signals on
> interaction with PC and pick up images without relaying much on system
> software)
>
> Anyone done anything similar or has ideas on how to approach this?
>
> --
> http://basis.desk.org:8080/ASU2/TravelPlan
> Goethe - "What is important in life is life, and not the result of life."
>
>
> ------------------------------
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From zblace at gmail.com  Tue Feb 14 13:34:29 2006
From: zblace at gmail.com (zeljko blace)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:34:29 +0100
Subject: [PythonCE] using PythonCE to cluster a set of Axim X5 devices
	interact and display images/video as single device...
Message-ID: <ffdd16f00602140434k37f9d762oed3aa3b494b32eb3@mail.gmail.com>

Hm... that sounds like it would add to slow response time.

I am looking for way to avoid use of any extra cabeling or interfaces
(WiFi or Bluetooth) to keep the situation as simple and as reliable.

On 2/14/06, javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu <javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu> wrote:
> One possibility might be to set up a local website and have the pocketPCs
> communicate . Using windows I get internet access on my pda when its
> connected through usb. On the other hand, I'm not sure if you can have
> multiple computers connected via one irda port.
>
> I don't want to pretend to know what I'm doing but it seems like an
> interesting idea. I'm not quite sure that I understand what the big
> picture is though.
>
> > Send PythonCE mailing list submissions to
> >       pythonce at python.org
> >
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> >       http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
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> >       pythonce-request at python.org
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> >
> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > than "Re: Contents of PythonCE digest..."
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >    1. using PythonCE to cluster a set of Axim X5 devices to
> >       interact and display images/video as single device... (zeljko blace)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:34:54 +0100
> > From: zeljko blace <zblace at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [PythonCE] using PythonCE to cluster a set of Axim X5 devices
> >       to      interact and display images/video as single device...
> > To: pythonce at python.org
> > Cc: Aleksandar Erkalovic <aco at mi2.hr>
> > Message-ID:
> >       <ffdd16f00602120334i79d4a0f1r12adedd15c996bf6 at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Dear list members,
> > here is a post from curious newbie (so pardon my lack of Python overview)
> >
> > I am brainstorming on how to visualize a software project that deals
> > with per-frame video editing (obviously very short animations) and
> > make it excessible to the kids...
> >
> > I own Axim X5 (thinking of getting few more) and have a friend that is
> > expert Python programer with whome I might try to test this scenario:
> > 1) Have 4 (up to 8) Axim X5 devices running PocketPC 2003,
> > 2) single PC running whatever (Windows/Linux/MacOSX)
> > 3) connect them through IrDa connection to PC
> > 4) get them to display in full screen locally storred images
> > 5) when any of them is touched - notify PC which would send update to
> > the devices what would be the next image to display...
> >
> > So what is needed is:
> > * (reliable) way to communicate fast (tiny amount of info on images)
> > in-between individual devices and PC and back
> > * software that would display in full screen images and videos
> > (hopefully open source so it can be made to send out signals on
> > interaction with PC and pick up images without relaying much on system
> > software)
> >
> > Anyone done anything similar or has ideas on how to approach this?
> >
> > --
> > http://basis.desk.org:8080/ASU2/TravelPlan
> > Goethe - "What is important in life is life, and not the result of life."
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > PythonCE mailing list
> > PythonCE at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
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Goethe - "What is important in life is life, and not the result of life."

From fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk  Tue Feb 14 13:58:43 2006
From: fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk (Fuzzyman)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:58:43 +0000
Subject: [PythonCE] using PythonCE to cluster a set of Axim X5 devices
 interact and display images/video as single device...
In-Reply-To: <ffdd16f00602140434k37f9d762oed3aa3b494b32eb3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ffdd16f00602140434k37f9d762oed3aa3b494b32eb3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43F1D403.5010903@voidspace.org.uk>

zeljko blace wrote:

>Hm... that sounds like it would add to slow response time.
>
>I am looking for way to avoid use of any extra cabeling or interfaces
>(WiFi or Bluetooth) to keep the situation as simple and as reliable.
>
>  
>

Irda is a notoriously unreliable connection (certainly in my
experience). It is line of sight only and normally only over a very
short distance - have you tested that this is possible ?

Fuzzyman
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/index.shtml

>On 2/14/06, javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu <javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu> wrote:
>  
>
>>One possibility might be to set up a local website and have the pocketPCs
>>communicate . Using windows I get internet access on my pda when its
>>connected through usb. On the other hand, I'm not sure if you can have
>>multiple computers connected via one irda port.
>>
>>I don't want to pretend to know what I'm doing but it seems like an
>>interesting idea. I'm not quite sure that I understand what the big
>>picture is though.
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Send PythonCE mailing list submissions to
>>>      pythonce at python.org
>>>
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>>>      http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
>>>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>      pythonce-request at python.org
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>>>
>>>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>than "Re: Contents of PythonCE digest..."
>>>
>>>
>>>Today's Topics:
>>>
>>>   1. using PythonCE to cluster a set of Axim X5 devices to
>>>      interact and display images/video as single device... (zeljko blace)
>>>
>>>
>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>Message: 1
>>>Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:34:54 +0100
>>>From: zeljko blace <zblace at gmail.com>
>>>Subject: [PythonCE] using PythonCE to cluster a set of Axim X5 devices
>>>      to      interact and display images/video as single device...
>>>To: pythonce at python.org
>>>Cc: Aleksandar Erkalovic <aco at mi2.hr>
>>>Message-ID:
>>>      <ffdd16f00602120334i79d4a0f1r12adedd15c996bf6 at mail.gmail.com>
>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>>Dear list members,
>>>here is a post from curious newbie (so pardon my lack of Python overview)
>>>
>>>I am brainstorming on how to visualize a software project that deals
>>>with per-frame video editing (obviously very short animations) and
>>>make it excessible to the kids...
>>>
>>>I own Axim X5 (thinking of getting few more) and have a friend that is
>>>expert Python programer with whome I might try to test this scenario:
>>>1) Have 4 (up to 8) Axim X5 devices running PocketPC 2003,
>>>2) single PC running whatever (Windows/Linux/MacOSX)
>>>3) connect them through IrDa connection to PC
>>>4) get them to display in full screen locally storred images
>>>5) when any of them is touched - notify PC which would send update to
>>>the devices what would be the next image to display...
>>>
>>>So what is needed is:
>>>* (reliable) way to communicate fast (tiny amount of info on images)
>>>in-between individual devices and PC and back
>>>* software that would display in full screen images and videos
>>>(hopefully open source so it can be made to send out signals on
>>>interaction with PC and pick up images without relaying much on system
>>>software)
>>>
>>>Anyone done anything similar or has ideas on how to approach this?
>>>
>>>--
>>>http://basis.desk.org:8080/ASU2/TravelPlan
>>>Goethe - "What is important in life is life, and not the result of life."
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>PythonCE mailing list
>>>PythonCE at python.org
>>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
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>>    
>>
>
>
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>
>Goethe - "What is important in life is life, and not the result of life."
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From zblace at gmail.com  Tue Feb 14 15:06:47 2006
From: zblace at gmail.com (zeljko blace)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:06:47 +0100
Subject: [PythonCE] using PythonCE to cluster a set of Axim X5 devices
	interact and display images/video as single device...
In-Reply-To: <43F1D403.5010903@voidspace.org.uk>
References: <ffdd16f00602140434k37f9d762oed3aa3b494b32eb3@mail.gmail.com>
	<43F1D403.5010903@voidspace.org.uk>
Message-ID: <ffdd16f00602140606p23dce742m35675ea2e6f3ee28@mail.gmail.com>

no tests done...
devices would stay next to each other anyway
so it should not be an issue

On 2/14/06, Fuzzyman <fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk> wrote:
> zeljko blace wrote:
>
> >Hm... that sounds like it would add to slow response time.
> >
> >I am looking for way to avoid use of any extra cabeling or interfaces
> >(WiFi or Bluetooth) to keep the situation as simple and as reliable.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Irda is a notoriously unreliable connection (certainly in my
> experience). It is line of sight only and normally only over a very
> short distance - have you tested that this is possible ?
>
> Fuzzyman
> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/index.shtml
>
> >On 2/14/06, javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu <javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>One possibility might be to set up a local website and have the pocketPCs
> >>communicate . Using windows I get internet access on my pda when its
> >>connected through usb. On the other hand, I'm not sure if you can have
> >>multiple computers connected via one irda port.
> >>
> >>I don't want to pretend to know what I'm doing but it seems like an
> >>interesting idea. I'm not quite sure that I understand what the big
> >>picture is though.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Send PythonCE mailing list submissions to
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> >>>Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:34:54 +0100
> >>>From: zeljko blace <zblace at gmail.com>
> >>>Subject: [PythonCE] using PythonCE to cluster a set of Axim X5 devices
> >>>      to      interact and display images/video as single device...
> >>>To: pythonce at python.org
> >>>Cc: Aleksandar Erkalovic <aco at mi2.hr>
> >>>Message-ID:
> >>>      <ffdd16f00602120334i79d4a0f1r12adedd15c996bf6 at mail.gmail.com>
> >>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >>>
> >>>Dear list members,
> >>>here is a post from curious newbie (so pardon my lack of Python overview)
> >>>
> >>>I am brainstorming on how to visualize a software project that deals
> >>>with per-frame video editing (obviously very short animations) and
> >>>make it excessible to the kids...
> >>>
> >>>I own Axim X5 (thinking of getting few more) and have a friend that is
> >>>expert Python programer with whome I might try to test this scenario:
> >>>1) Have 4 (up to 8) Axim X5 devices running PocketPC 2003,
> >>>2) single PC running whatever (Windows/Linux/MacOSX)
> >>>3) connect them through IrDa connection to PC
> >>>4) get them to display in full screen locally storred images
> >>>5) when any of them is touched - notify PC which would send update to
> >>>the devices what would be the next image to display...
> >>>
> >>>So what is needed is:
> >>>* (reliable) way to communicate fast (tiny amount of info on images)
> >>>in-between individual devices and PC and back
> >>>* software that would display in full screen images and videos
> >>>(hopefully open source so it can be made to send out signals on
> >>>interaction with PC and pick up images without relaying much on system
> >>>software)
> >>>
> >>>Anyone done anything similar or has ideas on how to approach this?
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>http://basis.desk.org:8080/ASU2/TravelPlan
> >>>Goethe - "What is important in life is life, and not the result of life."
> >>>
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From fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk  Tue Feb 14 15:21:34 2006
From: fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk (Fuzzyman)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:21:34 +0000
Subject: [PythonCE] using PythonCE to cluster a set of Axim X5 devices
 interact and display images/video as single device...
In-Reply-To: <ffdd16f00602140606p23dce742m35675ea2e6f3ee28@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ffdd16f00602140434k37f9d762oed3aa3b494b32eb3@mail.gmail.com>	
	<43F1D403.5010903@voidspace.org.uk>
	<ffdd16f00602140606p23dce742m35675ea2e6f3ee28@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43F1E76E.7050908@voidspace.org.uk>

zeljko blace wrote:

>no tests done...
>devices would stay next to each other anyway
>so it should not be an issue
>  
>
Ok, fair enough. :-)

On the other hand, bluetooth is only as unreliable as Irda and wifi is
better. I don't *know* of any ways to access the Irda port through
PythonCE (except perhaps through the new ctypes library). On the other
hand you will be able to use TCP/IP over bluetooth/wifi. You should be
able to do this through the socket module or using urllib/urllib2 as a
wrapper.

I would be tempted to run a python proxy server on the PDA (based on
HTTPSimpleServer) - making requests to a server running on the PC. That
means you would use Pocket IE to display the images. If you don't need
to modify your requests too much you could just run a server on the main
computer and not use Python on the PDAs at all.

Alternatively there is an implementation of PyGame with *some*
functionality compiled for PocketPC (I believe - search the archives of
this list). TCP/IP is still a good way to push your data around.

All the best,

Fuzzyman
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python//index.shtml

>On 2/14/06, Fuzzyman <fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk> wrote:
>  
>
>>zeljko blace wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hm... that sounds like it would add to slow response time.
>>>
>>>I am looking for way to avoid use of any extra cabeling or interfaces
>>>(WiFi or Bluetooth) to keep the situation as simple and as reliable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>Irda is a notoriously unreliable connection (certainly in my
>>experience). It is line of sight only and normally only over a very
>>short distance - have you tested that this is possible ?
>>
>>Fuzzyman
>>http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/index.shtml
>>
>>    
>>
>>>On 2/14/06, javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu <javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>One possibility might be to set up a local website and have the pocketPCs
>>>>communicate . Using windows I get internet access on my pda when its
>>>>connected through usb. On the other hand, I'm not sure if you can have
>>>>multiple computers connected via one irda port.
>>>>
>>>>I don't want to pretend to know what I'm doing but it seems like an
>>>>interesting idea. I'm not quite sure that I understand what the big
>>>>picture is though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>Send PythonCE mailing list submissions to
>>>>>     pythonce at python.org
>>>>>
>>>>>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>>>>     http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
>>>>>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>>>     pythonce-request at python.org
>>>>>
>>>>>You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>>>     pythonce-owner at python.org
>>>>>
>>>>>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>>>than "Re: Contents of PythonCE digest..."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Today's Topics:
>>>>>
>>>>>  1. using PythonCE to cluster a set of Axim X5 devices to
>>>>>     interact and display images/video as single device... (zeljko blace)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>Message: 1
>>>>>Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:34:54 +0100
>>>>>From: zeljko blace <zblace at gmail.com>
>>>>>Subject: [PythonCE] using PythonCE to cluster a set of Axim X5 devices
>>>>>     to      interact and display images/video as single device...
>>>>>To: pythonce at python.org
>>>>>Cc: Aleksandar Erkalovic <aco at mi2.hr>
>>>>>Message-ID:
>>>>>     <ffdd16f00602120334i79d4a0f1r12adedd15c996bf6 at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>>>
>>>>>Dear list members,
>>>>>here is a post from curious newbie (so pardon my lack of Python overview)
>>>>>
>>>>>I am brainstorming on how to visualize a software project that deals
>>>>>with per-frame video editing (obviously very short animations) and
>>>>>make it excessible to the kids...
>>>>>
>>>>>I own Axim X5 (thinking of getting few more) and have a friend that is
>>>>>expert Python programer with whome I might try to test this scenario:
>>>>>1) Have 4 (up to 8) Axim X5 devices running PocketPC 2003,
>>>>>2) single PC running whatever (Windows/Linux/MacOSX)
>>>>>3) connect them through IrDa connection to PC
>>>>>4) get them to display in full screen locally storred images
>>>>>5) when any of them is touched - notify PC which would send update to
>>>>>the devices what would be the next image to display...
>>>>>
>>>>>So what is needed is:
>>>>>* (reliable) way to communicate fast (tiny amount of info on images)
>>>>>in-between individual devices and PC and back
>>>>>* software that would display in full screen images and videos
>>>>>(hopefully open source so it can be made to send out signals on
>>>>>interaction with PC and pick up images without relaying much on system
>>>>>software)
>>>>>
>>>>>Anyone done anything similar or has ideas on how to approach this?
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>http://basis.desk.org:8080/ASU2/TravelPlan
>>>>>Goethe - "What is important in life is life, and not the result of life."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>PythonCE mailing list
>>>>>PythonCE at python.org
>>>>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>End of PythonCE Digest, Vol 31, Issue 5
>>>>>***************************************
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>PythonCE mailing list
>>>>PythonCE at python.org
>>>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>--
>>>http://basis.desk.org:8080/ASU2/TravelPlan
>>>
>>>Goethe - "What is important in life is life, and not the result of life."
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>PythonCE mailing list
>>>PythonCE at python.org
>>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>PythonCE mailing list
>>PythonCE at python.org
>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>--
>http://basis.desk.org:8080/ASU2/TravelPlan
>
>Goethe - "What is important in life is life, and not the result of life."
>
>  
>


From theller at python.net  Tue Feb 14 22:06:18 2006
From: theller at python.net (Thomas Heller)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:06:18 +0100
Subject: [PythonCE] ceFile.py implementing basic file-like interface
In-Reply-To: <86641FA7-E435-4254-962D-229F91484997@ieee.org>
References: <86641FA7-E435-4254-962D-229F91484997@ieee.org>
Message-ID: <dstgoa$grr$1@sea.gmane.org>

Shane Holloway (IEEE) wrote:
> Hey Everyone,
> 
> Just thought I'd upload our latest RAPI code that implements a file like 
> object for reading and writing over RAPI.  Hope you all find it 
> helpful!  Currently, it doesn't support the readline and iterator type 
> thing, though that should be doable on top of this interface.  Just 
> didn't have time to tackle that piece when I was writing it.
> 
> Enjoy!
> -Shane & Brian


I haven't taken a detailed look at the code, but it may be useful ;-).
I'm currently hacking a little bit with distutils to integrate win CE
support into the ctypes setup script so that it is easier to transfer
the code to the pda.

IMO modules like these should have an official place in CVS or SVN somewhere,
so that they can be installed and used by others - standalone files that everyone
installes in his own private directories isn't that useful.

Since they are ctypes-based, the ctypes CVS repository on sourceforge would be
a possible place, and a convenient one for me.  Of course, other places could be
good as well.  What do you think?

Thomas


From jan.ischebeck at p3-gmbh.de  Wed Feb 15 00:39:35 2006
From: jan.ischebeck at p3-gmbh.de (Ischebeck, Jan)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:39:35 +0100
Subject: [PythonCE] using PythonCE to cluster a set of Axim X5 devices
	interact and display images/video as single device...
References: <ffdd16f00602140434k37f9d762oed3aa3b494b32eb3@mail.gmail.com>	<43F1D403.5010903@voidspace.org.uk><ffdd16f00602140606p23dce742m35675ea2e6f3ee28@mail.gmail.com>
	<43F1E76E.7050908@voidspace.org.uk>
Message-ID: <C5931975AB4FD24996A5EBD3E17A7F83027A98@p3-aachen.intra.p3-gmbh.de>

Dear Zeljko,

I just can confirm Fuzzyman's opinion. 
Using irda is quite troublesome and probably impossible for >1 device.
Just for one device its even bad, as you have to hold the device in 10cm distance to the
transmitter / laptop all the time.

Instead using Wifi is really convinient. 
The connection is really reliable and is very easy to setup. 
You just need aditional hardware (WLAN-extension cards) for the Axim X5.

In my opinion, there are only two possible scenarios.
a) using wifi (quite superior, easy to setup and enough bandwith - but extra cost)
b) using usb cables and a usb hub

Concerning the cable solution you probably have to switch to linux as a host os, as
I don't think that ActiveSync support more than one device at a time. With linux it is
feasible.

Good luck,

Jan

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: pythonce-bounces at python.org im Auftrag von Fuzzyman
Gesendet: Di 14-Feb-06 23:21
An: zeljko blace
Cc: pythonce at python.org
Betreff: Re: [PythonCE] using PythonCE to cluster a set of Axim X5 devices interact and display images/video as single device...
 
zeljko blace wrote:

>no tests done...
>devices would stay next to each other anyway
>so it should not be an issue
>  
>
Ok, fair enough. :-)

On the other hand, bluetooth is only as unreliable as Irda and wifi is
better. I don't *know* of any ways to access the Irda port through
PythonCE (except perhaps through the new ctypes library). On the other
hand you will be able to use TCP/IP over bluetooth/wifi. You should be
able to do this through the socket module or using urllib/urllib2 as a
wrapper.

I would be tempted to run a python proxy server on the PDA (based on
HTTPSimpleServer) - making requests to a server running on the PC. That
means you would use Pocket IE to display the images. If you don't need
to modify your requests too much you could just run a server on the main
computer and not use Python on the PDAs at all.

Alternatively there is an implementation of PyGame with *some*
functionality compiled for PocketPC (I believe - search the archives of
this list). TCP/IP is still a good way to push your data around.

All the best,

Fuzzyman
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python//index.shtml

>On 2/14/06, Fuzzyman <fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk> wrote:
>  
>
>>zeljko blace wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hm... that sounds like it would add to slow response time.
>>>
>>>I am looking for way to avoid use of any extra cabeling or interfaces
>>>(WiFi or Bluetooth) to keep the situation as simple and as reliable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>Irda is a notoriously unreliable connection (certainly in my
>>experience). It is line of sight only and normally only over a very
>>short distance - have you tested that this is possible ?
>>
>>Fuzzyman
>>http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/index.shtml
>>
>>    
>>
>>>On 2/14/06, javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu <javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>One possibility might be to set up a local website and have the pocketPCs
>>>>communicate . Using windows I get internet access on my pda when its
>>>>connected through usb. On the other hand, I'm not sure if you can have
>>>>multiple computers connected via one irda port.
>>>>
>>>>I don't want to pretend to know what I'm doing but it seems like an
>>>>interesting idea. I'm not quite sure that I understand what the big
>>>>picture is though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>Send PythonCE mailing list submissions to
>>>>>     pythonce at python.org
>>>>>
>>>>>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>>>>     http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
>>>>>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>>>     pythonce-request at python.org
>>>>>
>>>>>You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>>>     pythonce-owner at python.org
>>>>>
>>>>>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>>>than "Re: Contents of PythonCE digest..."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Today's Topics:
>>>>>
>>>>>  1. using PythonCE to cluster a set of Axim X5 devices to
>>>>>     interact and display images/video as single device... (zeljko blace)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>Message: 1
>>>>>Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:34:54 +0100
>>>>>From: zeljko blace <zblace at gmail.com>
>>>>>Subject: [PythonCE] using PythonCE to cluster a set of Axim X5 devices
>>>>>     to      interact and display images/video as single device...
>>>>>To: pythonce at python.org
>>>>>Cc: Aleksandar Erkalovic <aco at mi2.hr>
>>>>>Message-ID:
>>>>>     <ffdd16f00602120334i79d4a0f1r12adedd15c996bf6 at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>>>
>>>>>Dear list members,
>>>>>here is a post from curious newbie (so pardon my lack of Python overview)
>>>>>
>>>>>I am brainstorming on how to visualize a software project that deals
>>>>>with per-frame video editing (obviously very short animations) and
>>>>>make it excessible to the kids...
>>>>>
>>>>>I own Axim X5 (thinking of getting few more) and have a friend that is
>>>>>expert Python programer with whome I might try to test this scenario:
>>>>>1) Have 4 (up to 8) Axim X5 devices running PocketPC 2003,
>>>>>2) single PC running whatever (Windows/Linux/MacOSX)
>>>>>3) connect them through IrDa connection to PC
>>>>>4) get them to display in full screen locally storred images
>>>>>5) when any of them is touched - notify PC which would send update to
>>>>>the devices what would be the next image to display...
>>>>>
>>>>>So what is needed is:
>>>>>* (reliable) way to communicate fast (tiny amount of info on images)
>>>>>in-between individual devices and PC and back
>>>>>* software that would display in full screen images and videos
>>>>>(hopefully open source so it can be made to send out signals on
>>>>>interaction with PC and pick up images without relaying much on system
>>>>>software)
>>>>>
>>>>>Anyone done anything similar or has ideas on how to approach this?
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>http://basis.desk.org:8080/ASU2/TravelPlan
>>>>>Goethe - "What is important in life is life, and not the result of life."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>PythonCE mailing list
>>>>>PythonCE at python.org
>>>>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>End of PythonCE Digest, Vol 31, Issue 5
>>>>>***************************************
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>PythonCE mailing list
>>>>PythonCE at python.org
>>>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>--
>>>http://basis.desk.org:8080/ASU2/TravelPlan
>>>
>>>Goethe - "What is important in life is life, and not the result of life."
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>PythonCE mailing list
>>>PythonCE at python.org
>>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
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>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>--
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>
>Goethe - "What is important in life is life, and not the result of life."
>
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>

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From jeff_barish at earthlink.net  Wed Feb 15 00:42:32 2006
From: jeff_barish at earthlink.net (Jeffrey Barish)
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:42:32 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] Spinner
Message-ID: <200602141642.32881.jeff_barish@earthlink.net>

Does anyone know why I get the spinner over any Python application that I run?  
The application seems to be running fine even though I am supposed to wait 
for something.
-- 
Jeffrey Barish

From coder_infidel at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 15 13:24:39 2006
From: coder_infidel at hotmail.com (Luke Dunstan)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:24:39 +0800
Subject: [PythonCE] Spinner
References: <200602141642.32881.jeff_barish@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV9442BBB52820D4609FC878AFA0@phx.gbl>


This happens in GUI applications because the PythonCE shell thinks that the 
program is busy even though it may simply be in a message loop. One way to 
get rid of the wait cursor is:

    import _pcceshell_support
    _pcceshell_support.Busy(0)


Luke

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeffrey Barish" <jeff_barish at earthlink.net>
To: <pythonce at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 7:42 AM
Subject: [PythonCE] Spinner


> Does anyone know why I get the spinner over any Python application that I 
> run?
> The application seems to be running fine even though I am supposed to wait
> for something.
> -- 
> Jeffrey Barish
> _______________________________________________
> PythonCE mailing list
> PythonCE at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
> 

From jeff_barish at earthlink.net  Wed Feb 15 18:55:26 2006
From: jeff_barish at earthlink.net (Jeffrey Barish)
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:55:26 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] Differences running wxPython on WinCE vs WinXP
Message-ID: <200602151055.26786.jeff_barish@earthlink.net>

I am moving my application over to WinCE now that I have it working on WinXP.  
I have noticed a few differences off the bat that I am wondering about:

1. As I mentioned in my previous email, I get a spinner over any Python 
application that I run.

2. In a ListCtrl with multiple columns, a selected item is highlighted in 
every column under XP but only in the first column with CE.  Also, it is not 
possible in CE to select an item by tapping on it in any column other than 
the first.  Is there a way to restore the functionality I get on other 
platforms?

3. unicode support seems to have disappeared.  I didn't even know that I had 
or needed unicode support, but apparently the text file I am using as the 
source for the strings I display contains a few unicode characters.  Under 
XP, the characters display correctly.  I switched to Python 2.3.5 on XP for 
consistency with the Python on CE.  Do I have to do something on CE to invoke 
unicode support?  If it was jettisoned, is there a way to restore it?

4. The most serious problem is that screen updates occur very slowly.  Updates 
that occur on XP in the blink of an eye, take around 10 seconds on CE.  Does 
anyone have any thoughts as to possible causes for this problem?  I am on a 
Dell Axim X51v (624 MHz), which I think would be considered a top-end PDA.  I 
don't think the problem is the Wifi connection I use to obtain the text I 
display because the Wifi connection is not a problem for the previous version 
of the program which runs on a Zaurus using PyQt.  Is it possible that 
PythonCE is that much slower than the Python that runs under Linux on the 
Zaurus?  Could CE itself be the problem?  Could wxPython be that much slower 
than PyQt?

I don't know whether there any many wxPython users on this list, so perhaps I 
should post on comp.python.wxpython -- but then I don't know whether there 
are many PythonCE users on that list.
-- 
Jeffrey Barish

From shane.holloway at ieee.org  Thu Feb 16 18:37:27 2006
From: shane.holloway at ieee.org (Shane Holloway (IEEE))
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:37:27 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] ceFile.py implementing basic file-like interface
In-Reply-To: <dstgoa$grr$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <86641FA7-E435-4254-962D-229F91484997@ieee.org>
	<dstgoa$grr$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <3C89F304-74AF-4512-B5CE-B7FF55D64703@ieee.org>

Yes, I saw your new ctypes version for CE.  Very excited.   
Unfortunately we are stuck in .NET land for a few near-term  
releases.  I just can't wait to switch over to using python on this  
platform.  Ctypes will certainly help us get there!

As for common modules, I certainly agree that they need a common  
place to live.  I would expect them to be somewhere like the PythonCE  
project on SourceForge or some other central area.  I don't really  
like the idea of multi-purposing the ctypes repository with CE stuff  
for much the same reasons as I did not care for the comtypes being in  
there.  The RAPI interfaces are just one of the things I'd like to  
see in this common repository, and I know everyone else has expressed  
similar sentiments.  We will really need a good .NET bridge for the  
compact framework eventually.  Hopefully we will be able to build  
that atop ctypes -- but I'm starting to think we are going to need to  
use a combination of OpenNETCF.org 2.0 Framework as well as the .NET  
2.0 CF to get things to approach what Zope has implemented for the  
desktop.  Anyhow I've started to ramble.  ;)

I really prefer SVN over CVS.  ;)  But I'm not too picky.  We are  
more than happy to host on TechGame -- our current structure is SVN  
and Trac, and you can see an example at http://techgame.net/projects/ 
framework.  But if we end up hosting under ctypes or pythonce, I'll  
be just as happy.  A place to start working in is the important part.

Thanks,
-Shane

On Feb 14, 2006, at 14:06, Thomas Heller wrote:

> I haven't taken a detailed look at the code, but it may be useful ;-).
> I'm currently hacking a little bit with distutils to integrate win CE
> support into the ctypes setup script so that it is easier to transfer
> the code to the pda.
>
> IMO modules like these should have an official place in CVS or SVN  
> somewhere,
> so that they can be installed and used by others - standalone files  
> that everyone
> installes in his own private directories isn't that useful.
>
> Since they are ctypes-based, the ctypes CVS repository on  
> sourceforge would be
> a possible place, and a convenient one for me.  Of course, other  
> places could be
> good as well.  What do you think?
>
> Thomas
>
> _______________________________________________
> PythonCE mailing list
> PythonCE at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce


From theller at python.net  Thu Feb 16 20:00:33 2006
From: theller at python.net (Thomas Heller)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:00:33 +0100
Subject: [PythonCE] ceFile.py implementing basic file-like interface
In-Reply-To: <3C89F304-74AF-4512-B5CE-B7FF55D64703@ieee.org>
References: <86641FA7-E435-4254-962D-229F91484997@ieee.org>
	<dstgoa$grr$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<3C89F304-74AF-4512-B5CE-B7FF55D64703@ieee.org>
Message-ID: <43F4CBD1.1090105@python.net>

> On Feb 14, 2006, at 14:06, Thomas Heller wrote:
> 
>> I haven't taken a detailed look at the code, but it may be useful
>> ;-). I'm currently hacking a little bit with distutils to integrate
>> win CE support into the ctypes setup script so that it is easier to
>> transfer the code to the pda.
>> 
>> IMO modules like these should have an official place in CVS or SVN
>>  somewhere, so that they can be installed and used by others -
>> standalone files that everyone installes in his own private
>> directories isn't that useful.
>> 
>> Since they are ctypes-based, the ctypes CVS repository on
>> sourceforge would be a possible place, and a convenient one for me.
>> Of course, other places could be good as well.  What do you think?
>> 
>> Thomas
>> 

Shane Holloway (IEEE) wrote:
> Yes, I saw your new ctypes version for CE.  Very excited.
> Unfortunately we are stuck in .NET land for a few near-term releases.
> I just can't wait to switch over to using python on this platform.
> Ctypes will certainly help us get there!
> 
> As for common modules, I certainly agree that they need a common
> place to live.  I would expect them to be somewhere like the PythonCE
> project on SourceForge or some other central area.  I don't really
> like the idea of multi-purposing the ctypes repository with CE stuff
> for much the same reasons as I did not care for the comtypes being in
> there.

You may have heard that ctypes will be included in Python 2.5 (yay!).
I think this will lead to a split between 'core ctypes' and ctypes based
modules and packages (even if ctypes will further be maintained in the SF CVS
repo).

comtypes is such a package, and it is convenient for me to have it in the
same repository.

For ctypes itself, I want, and have already started, to extend the ctypes
and comtypes setup scripts so that both packages can be build, transferred
to the pda, and possibly even tested with some arguments to the setup script.

What I need for that is a very limited subset of the rapi functionality,
and this should certainly be in the ctypes CVS - even if it is ripped off
some 'official' rapi module.

> The RAPI interfaces are just one of the things I'd like to
> see in this common repository, and I know everyone else has expressed
> similar sentiments. We will really need a good .NET bridge for the
> compact framework eventually.  Hopefully we will be able to build
> that atop ctypes -- but I'm starting to think we are going to need to
> use a combination of OpenNETCF.org 2.0 Framework as well as the .NET
> 2.0 CF to get things to approach what Zope has implemented for the
> desktop.  Anyhow I've started to ramble.  ;)
> 
> I really prefer SVN over CVS.  ;)  But I'm not too picky.  We are
> more than happy to host on TechGame -- our current structure is SVN
> and Trac, and you can see an example at
> http://techgame.net/projects/framework. But if we end up hosting
> under ctypes or pythonce, I'll be just as happy.  A place to start
> working in is the important part.

I'm a beginner with SVN but have used CVS for quite some years now, so
I have no preference currently although I'm convinced SVN is better.

I'm not opposed to hosting at techgame.  Same for ctypes CVS, same for PythonCe,
or whatever.  I'll be happy to bring in my ctypes expertise to a rapi module,
and that's it.

Thomas


From jeff_barish at earthlink.net  Thu Feb 16 23:07:49 2006
From: jeff_barish at earthlink.net (Jeffrey Barish)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:07:49 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] Spinner
In-Reply-To: <mailman.37.1140087607.9513.pythonce@python.org>
References: <mailman.37.1140087607.9513.pythonce@python.org>
Message-ID: <200602161507.49754.jeff_barish@earthlink.net>

Your suggestion solved the problem.  I am in awe of your erudition.  Is there 
documentation on this module?  I am wondering whether it is capable of 
additional magic about which I should know more.

Here are more questions for the list that I think are esoteric:  I intend that 
the PDA run only my application.  Is there a way to run a program so that it 
consumes the entire screen (without all the Microsoft stuff at the top)?  
Also, what is the best way to get the program to run automatically when the 
PDA reboots?

On Thursday 16 February 2006 04:00, pythonce-request at python.org wrote:
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:24:39 +0800
> From: "Luke Dunstan" <coder_infidel at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [PythonCE] Spinner
> To: <pythonce at python.org>
> Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV9442BBB52820D4609FC878AFA0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> ????????reply-type=original
>
>
> This happens in GUI applications because the PythonCE shell thinks that the
> program is busy even though it may simply be in a message loop. One way to
> get rid of the wait cursor is:
>
> ? ? import _pcceshell_support
> ? ? _pcceshell_support.Busy(0)
>
>
> Luke
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeffrey Barish" <jeff_barish at earthlink.net>
> To: <pythonce at python.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 7:42 AM
> Subject: [PythonCE] Spinner
>
> > Does anyone know why I get the spinner over any Python application that I
> > run?
> > The application seems to be running fine even though I am supposed to
> > wait for something.
> > --
> > Jeffrey Barish
> > _______________________________________________
> > PythonCE mailing list
> > PythonCE at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
-- 
Jeffrey Barish

From ke7fxl at gmail.com  Fri Feb 17 03:09:47 2006
From: ke7fxl at gmail.com (Tod Haren)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:09:47 -0800
Subject: [PythonCE] Fwd:  Spinner
In-Reply-To: <6f5b2c4e0602161808i461b502ep5f070f79f5077b9b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.37.1140087607.9513.pythonce@python.org>
	<200602161507.49754.jeff_barish@earthlink.net>
	<6f5b2c4e0602161808i461b502ep5f070f79f5077b9b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f5b2c4e0602161809i6fd6a830v18ff6f112e8d79fb@mail.gmail.com>

There is a \windows\startup folder.  Putting a shortcut in there
should do the trick for starting an app on reboot.  I've also read
that there are hacks you can do to run the PPC in kiosk mode.

On 2/16/06, Jeffrey Barish <jeff_barish at earthlink.net> wrote:
>...
> Also, what is the best way to get the program to run automatically when the
> PDA reboots?
>

From coder_infidel at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 17 18:01:32 2006
From: coder_infidel at hotmail.com (Luke Dunstan)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 01:01:32 +0800
Subject: [PythonCE] Spinner
References: <mailman.37.1140087607.9513.pythonce@python.org>
	<200602161507.49754.jeff_barish@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV8964B98A180380A89B4D28AF80@phx.gbl>


I am not aware of documentation on _pcceshell_support, and to be honest I 
only discovered it in the PythonCE source code because you asked the 
question. Previously I had worked around the problem using SetCursor() but 
this is a cleaner solution.

Actually this module is designed to be used internally by PythonCE but it 
could still be useful. For the benefit of the mailing list, I will describe 
what I can see in the code. It has the following methods:

Terminate() - exits PythonCE immediately
write(text) - writes a string to the output window
flush() - flushes buffered data to the output window
Busy(busyFlag) - changes whether the wait cursor is displayed
Wait() - waits for either the application to be closed (returns 0) or for 
console input to become available (returns 1)
Get_Input_Text() - returns the text entered at the prompt
Character_Input(ordinal) - sends a character to the output window
Get_Edit_Window_Line(lineNum) - returns the text on the specified line of 
the output window

As for taking control of the whole screen, I see that there is an API 
SHFullScreen() described in the Microsoft documentation that probably does 
what you want. To use this from PythonCE you would need to either use ctypes 
or write a Python extension module. ctypes was just released:

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=71702

I haven't actually tried this release yet but I've used slightly earlier 
versions of ctypes from CVS so I'm sure it will work (assuming you are using 
2.3.5).

Luke

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeffrey Barish" <jeff_barish at earthlink.net>
To: <pythonce at python.org>
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: [PythonCE] Spinner


Your suggestion solved the problem.  I am in awe of your erudition.  Is 
there
documentation on this module?  I am wondering whether it is capable of
additional magic about which I should know more.

Here are more questions for the list that I think are esoteric:  I intend 
that
the PDA run only my application.  Is there a way to run a program so that it
consumes the entire screen (without all the Microsoft stuff at the top)?
Also, what is the best way to get the program to run automatically when the
PDA reboots?

On Thursday 16 February 2006 04:00, pythonce-request at python.org wrote:
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:24:39 +0800
> From: "Luke Dunstan" <coder_infidel at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [PythonCE] Spinner
> To: <pythonce at python.org>
> Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV9442BBB52820D4609FC878AFA0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
>
> This happens in GUI applications because the PythonCE shell thinks that 
> the
> program is busy even though it may simply be in a message loop. One way to
> get rid of the wait cursor is:
>
> import _pcceshell_support
> _pcceshell_support.Busy(0)
>
>
> Luke
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeffrey Barish" <jeff_barish at earthlink.net>
> To: <pythonce at python.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 7:42 AM
> Subject: [PythonCE] Spinner
>
> > Does anyone know why I get the spinner over any Python application that 
> > I
> > run?
> > The application seems to be running fine even though I am supposed to
> > wait for something.
> > --
> > Jeffrey Barish
> > _______________________________________________
> > PythonCE mailing list
> > PythonCE at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
-- 
Jeffrey Barish
_______________________________________________
PythonCE mailing list
PythonCE at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce

From dan2cil at tin.it  Fri Feb 17 20:57:22 2006
From: dan2cil at tin.it (dan2cil)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:57:22 +0100
Subject: [PythonCE] Database
In-Reply-To: <mailman.36.1140087607.9513.pythonce@python.org>
References: <mailman.36.1140087607.9513.pythonce@python.org>
Message-ID: <op.s44u1wdmkj4zp0@linux.site>


Which database is possible to use with Python CE?

Thank
Danilo

From gpetruc at gmail.com  Sun Feb 19 09:43:20 2006
From: gpetruc at gmail.com (Giovanni Petrucciani)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:43:20 +0100
Subject: [PythonCE] Database
In-Reply-To: <op.s44u1wdmkj4zp0@linux.site>
References: <mailman.36.1140087607.9513.pythonce@python.org>
	<op.s44u1wdmkj4zp0@linux.site>
Message-ID: <43F82FA8.7050202@gmail.com>

dan2cil wrote:

>Which database is possible to use with Python CE?
>  
>
SQlite works; the only caveat is that you have to load two dlls (the
sqlite dll and the c part of the pysqlite module), and so it consumes
some memory

You can get a binary build of sqlite on
http://area51.sns.it/users/giovanni/python/


    Giovanni

From pdemb at gazeta.pl  Sun Feb 19 11:13:03 2006
From: pdemb at gazeta.pl (Peter Dembinski)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:13:03 +0100
Subject: [PythonCE] Database
In-Reply-To: <43F82FA8.7050202@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.36.1140087607.9513.pythonce@python.org>
	<op.s44u1wdmkj4zp0@linux.site> <43F82FA8.7050202@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <op.s47tb1vsp2c5o9@hector.domek>

> dan2cil wrote:
>
>> Which database is possible to use with Python CE?
>>
>>
> SQlite works;

I am curious whether Oracle version for PocketPCs works with Python too
(for example, via ODBC).



From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Sun Feb 19 21:26:52 2006
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:26:52 +0100
Subject: [PythonCE] Database
In-Reply-To: <op.s47tb1vsp2c5o9@hector.domek>
References: <mailman.36.1140087607.9513.pythonce@python.org>	<op.s44u1wdmkj4zp0@linux.site>
	<43F82FA8.7050202@gmail.com> <op.s47tb1vsp2c5o9@hector.domek>
Message-ID: <43F8D48C.8060500@ita.chalmers.se>

Peter Dembinski said the following on 2006-02-19 11:13:
>>dan2cil wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Which database is possible to use with Python CE?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>SQlite works;
> 
> 
> I am curious whether Oracle version for PocketPCs works with Python too
> (for example, via ODBC).

you'd have to get some odbc adapter for python working, i.e mxODBC.

Not sure if any attempt has been done to port them.

/dario

-- 
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.
Lyrics applied to programming & application design:
"emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley


From jeff_barish at earthlink.net  Tue Feb 21 17:18:32 2006
From: jeff_barish at earthlink.net (Jeffrey Barish)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:18:32 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] Warning about comctl32.dll
Message-ID: <200602210918.32272.jeff_barish@earthlink.net>

Some of my applications are now triggering a warning when they first start 
running that reads:

Please install a newer version of comctl32.dll (at least version 4.70 is 
required but you have 0.00) or the program won't operate correctly.

I don't have comctl32.dll anywhere I looked (such as the Windows folder) -- 
which might be why I have version 0.00.  I have not detected a pattern in 
which programs trigger the warning and which don't.  Also, I may be 
delusional but I think that programs that are generating the warning now did 
not always do so.  Any thoughts?
-- 
Jeffrey Barish

From coder_infidel at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 22 13:08:31 2006
From: coder_infidel at hotmail.com (Luke Dunstan)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:08:31 +0800
Subject: [PythonCE] Warning about comctl32.dll
References: <200602210918.32272.jeff_barish@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV7907CA01FF238B470DC098AFD0@phx.gbl>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeffrey Barish" <jeff_barish at earthlink.net>
To: <pythonce at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 12:18 AM
Subject: [PythonCE] Warning about comctl32.dll


> Some of my applications are now triggering a warning when they first start
> running that reads:
>
> Please install a newer version of comctl32.dll (at least version 4.70 is
> required but you have 0.00) or the program won't operate correctly.

If I search for this message on Google it appears only in wxWidgets source 
code, so I suggest you ask on their mailing list.

Luke

>
> I don't have comctl32.dll anywhere I looked (such as the Windows 
> folder) -- 
> which might be why I have version 0.00.  I have not detected a pattern in
> which programs trigger the warning and which don't.  Also, I may be
> delusional but I think that programs that are generating the warning now 
> did
> not always do so.  Any thoughts?
> -- 
> Jeffrey Barish
> _______________________________________________
> PythonCE mailing list
> PythonCE at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
> 

From kitsune_e at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 23 23:44:36 2006
From: kitsune_e at yahoo.com (Ed Blake)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 14:44:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PythonCE] IdleCE
Message-ID: <20060223224436.45438.qmail@web50211.mail.yahoo.com>


I've finally gotten irritated enough to fix some of the problems with the
last version of IdleCE.  I disabled coloring triple quotes because the
solution I came up with was mind-numbingly slow on large docs, and still
didn't work in all cases.  I also fixed problems block operations
(indent/dedent/comment/uncomment region), it just got messed up when I
sepperated the editor from the colorizing text widget.  Lastly I added a hack
which might catch garbage characters from the soft input panel.

Download here: http://kitsu.petesdomain.com/files/WinCE/IdleCE-2.0.zip
Leo file: http://kitsu.petesdomain.com/files/WinCE/IdleCE.leo

Also I got tired of the default windows icon on all my scripts so I hacked
this out of the PythonCE setup script (i.e. I used the setup script as a
starting point, this script only sets up the icon, not file associations). 
To use it you need to edit the path to reflect your PythonCE install
directory.
http://kitsu.petesdomain.com/files/WinCE/setup-icon.py

Let me know if anything's busted...



From jeff_barish at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 24 04:03:13 2006
From: jeff_barish at earthlink.net (Jeffrey Barish)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:03:13 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] Unicode default encoding
Message-ID: <200602232003.13940.jeff_barish@earthlink.net>

What is the correct way to set PythonCE's default Unicode encoding?  My 
reading (Python in a Nutshell) indicates that I am supposed to make a change 
to site.py, but there doesn't seem to be a site.py in PythonCE.  (The closest 
I came is a site.pyc in python23.zip.)  Nutshell suggests that in desperation 
one could put the following at the start of the main script:

import sys
reload(sys)
sys.setdefaultencoding('iso-8859-15')
del sys.setdefaultencoding

This code solved the problem I was having reading and processing text that 
contains Unicode characters, but I am uncomfortable leaving a desperation 
solution in place.
-- 
Jeffrey Barish

From jeff_barish at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 24 04:08:52 2006
From: jeff_barish at earthlink.net (Jeffrey Barish)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:08:52 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] Running Python program without getting Python CE window
Message-ID: <200602232008.52975.jeff_barish@earthlink.net>

Whenever I run a Python application, I get a window titled "Python CE" that 
seems to capture stdout.  Is it called the console?  I would like to run my 
application without getting that window.  I had the impression that this 
window would not appear if I ran the application using pythonw.  To that end, 
I changed the first line of my application to

#! /usr/bin/env pythonw

(instead of /usr/bin/env/python).  Changing this line has no effect in either 
CE or XP.  What is the correct procedure?
-- 
Jeffrey Barish

From jeff_barish at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 24 04:31:30 2006
From: jeff_barish at earthlink.net (Jeffrey Barish)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:31:30 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] Attaching an icon to my application
Message-ID: <200602232031.30846.jeff_barish@earthlink.net>

What is the procedure for attaching an icon to my application so that I can 
run the application by tapping the icon?
-- 
Jeffrey Barish

From javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu  Fri Feb 24 18:13:27 2006
From: javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu (javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:13:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PythonCE] PythonCE Digest, Vol 31, Issue 16
In-Reply-To: <mailman.27.1140778806.2531.pythonce@python.org>
References: <mailman.27.1140778806.2531.pythonce@python.org>
Message-ID: <4498.172.23.105.248.1140801207.squirrel@webmail.eden.rutgers.edu>

Thanks for the work!

> I've finally gotten irritated enough to fix some of the problems with the
> last version of IdleCE.  I disabled coloring triple quotes because the
> solution I came up with was mind-numbingly slow on large docs, and still
> didn't work in all cases.  I also fixed problems block operations
> (indent/dedent/comment/uncomment region), it just got messed up when I
> sepperated the editor from the colorizing text widget.  Lastly I added a
> hack
> which might catch garbage characters from the soft input panel.
>
> Download here: http://kitsu.petesdomain.com/files/WinCE/IdleCE-2.0.zip
> Leo file: http://kitsu.petesdomain.com/files/WinCE/IdleCE.leo
>
> Also I got tired of the default windows icon on all my scripts so I hacked
> this out of the PythonCE setup script (i.e. I used the setup script as a
> starting point, this script only sets up the icon, not file associations).
> To use it you need to edit the path to reflect your PythonCE install
> directory.
> http://kitsu.petesdomain.com/files/WinCE/setup-icon.py
>
> Let me know if anything's busted...


From javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu  Fri Feb 24 18:31:35 2006
From: javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu (javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 12:31:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PythonCE] running Python program without getting Python CE
Message-ID: <4660.172.23.105.248.1140802295.squirrel@webmail.eden.rutgers.edu>

I'm not sure how to fix your problem though. AFAIK I always thought that
the #! /usr/bin/env pythonw was for use by the shell on unix systems to
determine what interpreter to use. I don't think that is a platform
independent function.  Perhaps there is some functionality where you can
change the output from std to something else.

> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:08:52 -0700
> From: Jeffrey Barish <jeff_barish at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [PythonCE] Running Python program without getting Python CE
> 	window
> To: pythonce at python.org
> Message-ID: <200602232008.52975.jeff_barish at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="us-ascii"
>
> Whenever I run a Python application, I get a window titled "Python CE"
> that
> seems to capture stdout.  Is it called the console?  I would like to run
> my
> application without getting that window.  I had the impression that this
> window would not appear if I ran the application using pythonw.  To that
> end,
> I changed the first line of my application to
>
> #! /usr/bin/env pythonw
>
> (instead of /usr/bin/env/python).  Changing this line has no effect in
> either
> CE or XP.  What is the correct procedure?
> --
> Jeffrey Barish



From coder_infidel at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 25 18:22:50 2006
From: coder_infidel at hotmail.com (Luke Dunstan)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 01:22:50 +0800
Subject: [PythonCE] Running Python program without getting Python CE
	window
References: <200602232008.52975.jeff_barish@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV6E444C0537A82F6966D928AF00@phx.gbl>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeffrey Barish" <jeff_barish at earthlink.net>
To: <pythonce at python.org>
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 11:08 AM
Subject: [PythonCE] Running Python program without getting Python CE window


> Whenever I run a Python application, I get a window titled "Python CE" 
> that
> seems to capture stdout.  Is it called the console?  I would like to run 
> my
> application without getting that window.  I had the impression that this
> window would not appear if I ran the application using pythonw.  To that 
> end,
> I changed the first line of my application to
>
> #! /usr/bin/env pythonw
>
> (instead of /usr/bin/env/python).  Changing this line has no effect in 
> either
> CE or XP.  What is the correct procedure?

As somebody else mentioned, that is a Unix-specific feature. In Windows XP 
you can rename the file to .pyw to run it automatically with pythonw.exe. On 
Windows CE there is no standard way but this might help:

python /nopcceshell program.py

Luke

From jeff_barish at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 25 23:43:52 2006
From: jeff_barish at earthlink.net (Jeffrey Barish)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:43:52 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] Unicode default encoding
Message-ID: <200602251543.52197.jeff_barish@earthlink.net>

What is the correct way to set PythonCE's default Unicode encoding?  My 
reading (Python in a Nutshell) indicates that I am supposed to make a change 
to site.py, but there doesn't seem to be a site.py in PythonCE.  (The closest 
I came is a site.pyc in python23.zip.)  Nutshell suggests that in desperation 
one could put the following at the start of the main script:

import sys
reload(sys)
sys.setdefaultencoding('iso-8859-15')
del sys.setdefaultencoding

This code solved the problem I was having reading and processing text that 
contains Unicode characters, but I am uncomfortable leaving a desperation 
solution in place.
-- 
Jeffrey Barish

From coder_infidel at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 26 06:44:09 2006
From: coder_infidel at hotmail.com (Luke Dunstan)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:44:09 +0800
Subject: [PythonCE] Unicode default encoding
References: <200602232003.13940.jeff_barish@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV10F47CBEAC7743BF4090478AF10@phx.gbl>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeffrey Barish" <jeff_barish at earthlink.net>
To: <pythonce at python.org>
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 11:03 AM
Subject: [PythonCE] Unicode default encoding


> What is the correct way to set PythonCE's default Unicode encoding?  My
> reading (Python in a Nutshell) indicates that I am supposed to make a 
> change
> to site.py, but there doesn't seem to be a site.py in PythonCE.  (The 
> closest
> I came is a site.pyc in python23.zip.)  Nutshell suggests that in 
> desperation
> one could put the following at the start of the main script:
>
> import sys
> reload(sys)
> sys.setdefaultencoding('iso-8859-15')
> del sys.setdefaultencoding
>
> This code solved the problem I was having reading and processing text that
> contains Unicode characters, but I am uncomfortable leaving a desperation
> solution in place.
> -- 
> Jeffrey Barish

I don't think modifying site.py would be a good solution, because if you 
upgrade or reinstall python then the script will be overwritten. If you only 
want to run your program on your own system then a better solution is to 
create a file sitecustomize.py in your Python\Lib directory containing this:

import sys
sys.setdefaultencoding('iso-8859-15')

If you want to distribute your program to other people though, you can't 
expect them to change their default encoding so it is better not to rely on 
the default encoding at all.

Luke

From fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk  Sun Feb 26 11:20:14 2006
From: fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:20:14 +0000
Subject: [PythonCE] Unicode default encoding
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-DAV10F47CBEAC7743BF4090478AF10@phx.gbl>
References: <200602232003.13940.jeff_barish@earthlink.net>
	<BAY101-DAV10F47CBEAC7743BF4090478AF10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <440180DE.6030104@voidspace.org.uk>

Luke Dunstan wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jeffrey Barish" <jeff_barish at earthlink.net>
> To: <pythonce at python.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 11:03 AM
> Subject: [PythonCE] Unicode default encoding
>
>
>   
>> What is the correct way to set PythonCE's default Unicode encoding?  My
>> reading (Python in a Nutshell) indicates that I am supposed to make a 
>> change
>> to site.py, but there doesn't seem to be a site.py in PythonCE.  (The 
>> closest
>> I came is a site.pyc in python23.zip.)  Nutshell suggests that in 
>> desperation
>> one could put the following at the start of the main script:
>>
>> import sys
>> reload(sys)
>> sys.setdefaultencoding('iso-8859-15')
>> del sys.setdefaultencoding
>>
>> This code solved the problem I was having reading and processing text that
>> contains Unicode characters, but I am uncomfortable leaving a desperation
>> solution in place.
>> -- 
>> Jeffrey Barish
>>     
>
> I don't think modifying site.py would be a good solution, because if you 
> upgrade or reinstall python then the script will be overwritten. If you only 
> want to run your program on your own system then a better solution is to 
> create a file sitecustomize.py in your Python\Lib directory containing this:
>
> import sys
> sys.setdefaultencoding('iso-8859-15')
>
> If you want to distribute your program to other people though, you can't 
> expect them to change their default encoding so it is better not to rely on 
> the default encoding at all.
>
>   
Yep, using unicode and explicitly encoding/decoding is a better approach.

Fuzzyman
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/index.shtml

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