From coder_infidel at hotmail.com  Tue Jan  3 13:33:52 2006
From: coder_infidel at hotmail.com (Luke Dunstan)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:33:52 +0800
Subject: [PythonCE] Python 2.3.5 for Windows CE / ARM (Pocket PC 2003)
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV7CB6828177A5503913BBB8A2C0@phx.gbl>


A new release of Python for Windows CE is available. Download it here:

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=104228

The release notes are linked from this page, but a direct link is:

http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?group_id=104228&release_id=382495


Luke

From bkc at murkworks.com  Tue Jan  3 15:55:47 2006
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 09:55:47 -0500
Subject: [PythonCE] [ctypes-users] Python 2.3.5 for Windows CE / ARM
	(Pocket PC 2003)
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-DAV7CB6828177A5503913BBB8A2C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <43BA4A23.19348.479027C7@bkc.murkworks.com>

On 3 Jan 2006 at 20:33, Luke Dunstan wrote:

> 
> A new release of Python for Windows CE is available. Download it here:
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=104228
> 
> The release notes are linked from this page, but a direct link is:
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?group_id=104228&release_i
> d=382495
> 
> 
> Luke


Thanks Luke for setting up this release.

List folks -- Luke is now an official "developer' for the Python CE project. 
Welcome aboard!




-- 
Brad Clements,                bkc at murkworks.com    (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          
AOL-IM or SKYPE: BKClements



From javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu  Wed Jan  4 21:18:27 2006
From: javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu (javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 15:18:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PythonCE] Python 2.3.5 for Windows CE / ARM (Pocket PC 2003)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.29.1136372409.5689.pythonce@python.org>
References: <mailman.29.1136372409.5689.pythonce@python.org>
Message-ID: <1169.4.250.165.155.1136405907.squirrel@webmail.eden.rutgers.edu>

Great! Thanks you for your efforts.

> Send PythonCE mailing list submissions to
> 	pythonce at python.org
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> 	http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
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>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of PythonCE digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Python 2.3.5 for Windows CE / ARM (Pocket PC 2003) (Luke Dunstan)
>    2. Re: [ctypes-users] Python 2.3.5 for Windows CE / ARM	(Pocket
>       PC 2003) (Brad Clements)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:33:52 +0800
> From: "Luke Dunstan" <coder_infidel at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [PythonCE] Python 2.3.5 for Windows CE / ARM (Pocket PC 2003)
> To: <pythonce at python.org>
> Cc: ctypes-users at lists.sourceforge.net
> Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV7CB6828177A5503913BBB8A2C0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> 	reply-type=original
>
>
> A new release of Python for Windows CE is available. Download it here:
>
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=104228
>
> The release notes are linked from this page, but a direct link is:
>
> http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?group_id=104228&release_id=382495
>
>
> Luke
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 09:55:47 -0500
> From: "Brad Clements" <bkc at murkworks.com>
> Subject: Re: [PythonCE] [ctypes-users] Python 2.3.5 for Windows CE /
> 	ARM	(Pocket PC 2003)
> To: <pythonce at python.org>
> Message-ID: <43BA4A23.19348.479027C7 at bkc.murkworks.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On 3 Jan 2006 at 20:33, Luke Dunstan wrote:
>
>>
>> A new release of Python for Windows CE is available. Download it here:
>>
>> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=104228
>>
>> The release notes are linked from this page, but a direct link is:
>>
>> http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?group_id=104228&release_i
>> d=382495
>>
>>
>> Luke
>
>
> Thanks Luke for setting up this release.
>
> List folks -- Luke is now an official "developer' for the Python CE
> project.
> Welcome aboard!
>
>
>
>
> --
> Brad Clements,                bkc at murkworks.com    (315)268-1000
> http://www.murkworks.com
> AOL-IM or SKYPE: BKClements
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
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> ***************************************
>



From mike at pcblokes.com  Thu Jan  5 10:33:58 2006
From: mike at pcblokes.com (Michael Foord)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 09:33:58 +0000
Subject: [PythonCE] Python 2.3.5 for Windows CE / ARM (Pocket PC 2003)
In-Reply-To: <1169.4.250.165.155.1136405907.squirrel@webmail.eden.rutgers.edu>
References: <mailman.29.1136372409.5689.pythonce@python.org>
	<1169.4.250.165.155.1136405907.squirrel@webmail.eden.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <43BCE806.4030807@pcblokes.com>

javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu wrote:
> Great! Thanks you for your efforts.
> 

Ditto - works great for me.

All the best,

Fuzzyman
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/index.shtml

> 
>>Send PythonCE mailing list submissions to
>>	pythonce at python.org
>>
>>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>	http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
>>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>	pythonce-request at python.org
>>
>>You can reach the person managing the list at
>>	pythonce-owner at python.org
>>
>>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>than "Re: Contents of PythonCE digest..."
>>
>>
>>Today's Topics:
>>
>>   1. Python 2.3.5 for Windows CE / ARM (Pocket PC 2003) (Luke Dunstan)
>>   2. Re: [ctypes-users] Python 2.3.5 for Windows CE / ARM	(Pocket
>>      PC 2003) (Brad Clements)
>>
>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 1
>>Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:33:52 +0800
>>From: "Luke Dunstan" <coder_infidel at hotmail.com>
>>Subject: [PythonCE] Python 2.3.5 for Windows CE / ARM (Pocket PC 2003)
>>To: <pythonce at python.org>
>>Cc: ctypes-users at lists.sourceforge.net
>>Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV7CB6828177A5503913BBB8A2C0 at phx.gbl>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>	reply-type=original
>>
>>
>>A new release of Python for Windows CE is available. Download it here:
>>
>>http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=104228
>>
>>The release notes are linked from this page, but a direct link is:
>>
>>http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?group_id=104228&release_id=382495
>>
>>
>>Luke
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 2
>>Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 09:55:47 -0500
>>From: "Brad Clements" <bkc at murkworks.com>
>>Subject: Re: [PythonCE] [ctypes-users] Python 2.3.5 for Windows CE /
>>	ARM	(Pocket PC 2003)
>>To: <pythonce at python.org>
>>Message-ID: <43BA4A23.19348.479027C7 at bkc.murkworks.com>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>
>>On 3 Jan 2006 at 20:33, Luke Dunstan wrote:
>>
>>
>>>A new release of Python for Windows CE is available. Download it here:
>>>
>>>http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=104228
>>>
>>>The release notes are linked from this page, but a direct link is:
>>>
>>>http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?group_id=104228&release_i
>>>d=382495
>>>
>>>
>>>Luke
>>
>>
>>Thanks Luke for setting up this release.
>>
>>List folks -- Luke is now an official "developer' for the Python CE
>>project.
>>Welcome aboard!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Brad Clements,                bkc at murkworks.com    (315)268-1000
>>http://www.murkworks.com
>>AOL-IM or SKYPE: BKClements
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>PythonCE mailing list
>>PythonCE at python.org
>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
>>
>>
>>End of PythonCE Digest, Vol 30, Issue 2
>>***************************************
>>
> 
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From andy at andybak.net  Thu Jan  5 11:53:54 2006
From: andy at andybak.net (Andy Baker)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:53:54 +0000
Subject: [PythonCE] Python 2.3.5 for Windows CE / ARM (Pocket PC 2003)
In-Reply-To: <43BCE806.4030807@pcblokes.com>
References: <mailman.29.1136372409.5689.pythonce@python.org>
	<1169.4.250.165.155.1136405907.squirrel@webmail.eden.rutgers.edu>
	<43BCE806.4030807@pcblokes.com>
Message-ID: <85d9ccbb0601050253o21f89c50maa241ca35e1809d5@mail.gmail.com>

Regarding the Win32 extensions...

Is there a document that lists:
1. What does work.
2. What wont work because it's not relevant to WinCE
3. What could work given some extra work

I am particularly interesting in Win32.com.client which as I
understand it doesn't work. Could it potentially work? WinCE does have
COM as far as I know but I don't know what differences there are.

On 1/5/06, Michael Foord <mike at pcblokes.com> wrote:
> javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu wrote:
> > Great! Thanks you for your efforts.
> >
>
> Ditto - works great for me.
>
> All the best,
>
> Fuzzyman
> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/index.shtml
>
> >
> >>Send PythonCE mailing list submissions to
> >>      pythonce at python.org
> >>
> >>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >>      http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
> >>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >>      pythonce-request at python.org
> >>
> >>You can reach the person managing the list at
> >>      pythonce-owner at python.org
> >>
> >>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >>than "Re: Contents of PythonCE digest..."
> >>
> >>
> >>Today's Topics:
> >>
> >>   1. Python 2.3.5 for Windows CE / ARM (Pocket PC 2003) (Luke Dunstan)
> >>   2. Re: [ctypes-users] Python 2.3.5 for Windows CE / ARM    (Pocket
> >>      PC 2003) (Brad Clements)
> >>
> >>
> >>----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>Message: 1
> >>Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:33:52 +0800
> >>From: "Luke Dunstan" <coder_infidel at hotmail.com>
> >>Subject: [PythonCE] Python 2.3.5 for Windows CE / ARM (Pocket PC 2003)
> >>To: <pythonce at python.org>
> >>Cc: ctypes-users at lists.sourceforge.net
> >>Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV7CB6828177A5503913BBB8A2C0 at phx.gbl>
> >>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> >>      reply-type=original
> >>
> >>
> >>A new release of Python for Windows CE is available. Download it here:
> >>
> >>http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=104228
> >>
> >>The release notes are linked from this page, but a direct link is:
> >>
> >>http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?group_id=104228&release_id=382495
> >>
> >>
> >>Luke
> >>
> >>
> >>------------------------------
> >>
> >>Message: 2
> >>Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 09:55:47 -0500
> >>From: "Brad Clements" <bkc at murkworks.com>
> >>Subject: Re: [PythonCE] [ctypes-users] Python 2.3.5 for Windows CE /
> >>      ARM     (Pocket PC 2003)
> >>To: <pythonce at python.org>
> >>Message-ID: <43BA4A23.19348.479027C7 at bkc.murkworks.com>
> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> >>
> >>On 3 Jan 2006 at 20:33, Luke Dunstan wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>A new release of Python for Windows CE is available. Download it here:
> >>>
> >>>http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=104228
> >>>
> >>>The release notes are linked from this page, but a direct link is:
> >>>
> >>>http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?group_id=104228&release_i
> >>>d=382495
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Luke
> >>
> >>
> >>Thanks Luke for setting up this release.
> >>
> >>List folks -- Luke is now an official "developer' for the Python CE
> >>project.
> >>Welcome aboard!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>Brad Clements,                bkc at murkworks.com    (315)268-1000
> >>http://www.murkworks.com
> >>AOL-IM or SKYPE: BKClements
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>------------------------------
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> >>***************************************
> >>
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From jeff_barish at earthlink.net  Fri Jan  6 15:51:49 2006
From: jeff_barish at earthlink.net (Jeffrey Barish)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 07:51:49 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] Compiled version of Python 2.3.5 for Windows CE?
Message-ID: <200601060751.49910.jeff_barish@earthlink.net>

Would it be possible for someone to post a compiled version of Python 2.3.5 
for Windows CE?  I have been having difficulties downloading eMbedded Visual 
C++ 4.0.
-- 
Jeffrey Barish

From rc at simov.cl  Fri Jan  6 15:56:09 2006
From: rc at simov.cl (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodrigo_Contreras_K=F6brich?=)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 11:56:09 -0300
Subject: [PythonCE] Yes, please compile it...
Message-ID: <43BE8509.10305@simov.cl>

Hi.
I'm having the same troubles.

From andy at andybak.net  Fri Jan  6 17:01:47 2006
From: andy at andybak.net (Andy Baker)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:01:47 +0000
Subject: [PythonCE] Yes, please compile it...
In-Reply-To: <43BE8509.10305@simov.cl>
References: <43BE8509.10305@simov.cl>
Message-ID: <85d9ccbb0601060801h672d9e9dw3edc7de33a1595c8@mail.gmail.com>

I've always had a complete nightmare everytime I've tried to compile
something from source.

I'm sure lots of people who are competant in Python are lost in the
world of makefiles and such-like so I would like to vote for always
keeping an up-to-date binary available.

Andy Baker

On 1/6/06, Rodrigo Contreras K?brich <rc at simov.cl> wrote:
> Hi.
> I'm having the same troubles.
> _______________________________________________
> PythonCE mailing list
> PythonCE at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
>

From coder_infidel at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  6 17:25:16 2006
From: coder_infidel at hotmail.com (Luke Dunstan)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 00:25:16 +0800
Subject: [PythonCE] Yes, please compile it...
References: <43BE8509.10305@simov.cl>
	<85d9ccbb0601060801h672d9e9dw3edc7de33a1595c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV1017BB84E98667CEAB050B8A210@phx.gbl>


I'm not sure what you are trying to say. In an earlier message you replied 
to my announcement of the Python 2.3.5 release, but now you seem to be 
asking for a binary release. If so, have you tried the release?

Rodrigo and Jeffrey, I also invite you to download the binaries mentioned in 
my email of a few days ago:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pythonce/2006-January/001207.html


Luke

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Baker" <andy at andybak.net>
To: <PythonCE at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: [PythonCE] Yes, please compile it...


I've always had a complete nightmare everytime I've tried to compile
something from source.

I'm sure lots of people who are competant in Python are lost in the
world of makefiles and such-like so I would like to vote for always
keeping an up-to-date binary available.

Andy Baker

On 1/6/06, Rodrigo Contreras K?brich <rc at simov.cl> wrote:
> Hi.
> I'm having the same troubles.
> _______________________________________________
> PythonCE mailing list
> PythonCE at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
>
_______________________________________________
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PythonCE at python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce

From rc at simov.cl  Fri Jan  6 17:19:32 2006
From: rc at simov.cl (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodrigo_Contreras_K=F6brich?=)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:19:32 -0300
Subject: [PythonCE] Empty project or Human Friendly Project?
Message-ID: <43BE9894.3030700@simov.cl>

I'm sure that the pythonce project will be one of the most exiting 
things happening in the future of mobile devices. I hate java, so i will 
support python till the end.
But as Andy Baker just said "lots of people who are competent in Python 
are lost in the world of makefiles" and I must say that the Sourceforge 
page doesn't help at all.
The forum is almost empty, there's is only one bug reported and when you 
click on the "home page" link you find out that there is NO HOME PAGE.
Such a project with such few content. The only way to succeed here will 
be showing the efforts of the project... In Sourceforge there are rather 
hidden...

I think there are two critical items missing in the TODO list:

1. A compiled version of pythonce.
2. A human readable and user friendly homepage (and yes, a blog would be 
just fine to show advances and related news).

Bye.

rc.

From theller at python.net  Fri Jan  6 17:53:10 2006
From: theller at python.net (Thomas Heller)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:53:10 +0100
Subject: [PythonCE] Python 2.3.5 for Windows CE / ARM (Pocket PC 2003)
References: <mailman.29.1136372409.5689.pythonce@python.org>
	<1169.4.250.165.155.1136405907.squirrel@webmail.eden.rutgers.edu>
	<43BCE806.4030807@pcblokes.com>
	<85d9ccbb0601050253o21f89c50maa241ca35e1809d5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <y81ts3gp.fsf@python.net>

Andy Baker <andy at andybak.net> writes:

> Regarding the Win32 extensions...
>
> Is there a document that lists:
> 1. What does work.
> 2. What wont work because it's not relevant to WinCE
> 3. What could work given some extra work
>
> I am particularly interesting in Win32.com.client which as I
> understand it doesn't work. Could it potentially work? WinCE does have
> COM as far as I know but I don't know what differences there are.

I cannot answer these questions, but I'll try to get comtypes working.
Are there 'interesting' COM objects on a Pocket PC 2003 to experiment
with?

Thanks,

Thomas


From stewart.midwinter at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 17:59:43 2006
From: stewart.midwinter at gmail.com (Stewart Midwinter)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 09:59:43 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] Empty project or Human Friendly Project?
In-Reply-To: <43BE9894.3030700@simov.cl>
References: <43BE9894.3030700@simov.cl>
Message-ID: <d4c0d4800601060859v277eb41btb700971a9ceec740@mail.gmail.com>

tienes raz?n Rodrigo!

The SF project doesn't have a home page.  Perhaps one of the current
developers, bkc, kashtan, pfalcon can make it happen or delegate the
job to one of us (I can help).  Do we get a space on SF to create the
home page, or do we have to host it elsewhere?  If so, I note that the
domain pythonce.org is available!

cheers,
--
Stewart Midwinter
Python 2.3.4 on Toshiba e830

stewart at midwinter.ca
stewart.midwinter at gmail.com
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From coder_infidel at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  6 18:00:40 2006
From: coder_infidel at hotmail.com (Luke Dunstan)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 01:00:40 +0800
Subject: [PythonCE] Empty project or Human Friendly Project?
References: <43BE9894.3030700@simov.cl>
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV36F0CC180B21F3EE440618A210@phx.gbl>


If you are not at all familiar with SourceForge then I can imagine that you 
might have missed the binary releases. First go here:

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=104228

Under the package "pythonce" you will see a number of "releases", including:

Python-2.3.5-20051223
Python-2.3.4/HPC-2000
Python/CE 2.3.4-1

Each release has a +/- button next to it to expand the list of files 
contained in that release, but the first one (2.3.5) should already be 
expanded.

Next to each release you will also see a link [Notes] which shows the 
release notes. Please read the release notes for the 2.3.5 release:

http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=382495&group_id=104228

>From there you should be able to figure out which files to download. 
Basically though, the zip files contain the source and the file 
"PythonCE-2.3.5-20051223-setup.exe" contains the binary installer. Here is a 
direct link to file, where you can select a download mirror or use the 
default:

http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pythonce/PythonCE-2.3.5-20051223-setup.exe?download

As for the web page, I agree that it would be nice to have something there 
but writing web pages is not really my area of expertise or interest, so you 
are welcome to write something yourself. I would prefer a wiki for the main 
documentation so maybe we can either create one or use an existing one like 
http://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage or 
http://www.murkworks.com/Research/Python/PythonCE/PythonCEWiki/FrontPage ???

Luke

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rodrigo Contreras K?brich" <rc at simov.cl>
To: <pythonce at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 12:19 AM
Subject: [PythonCE] Empty project or Human Friendly Project?


> I'm sure that the pythonce project will be one of the most exiting
> things happening in the future of mobile devices. I hate java, so i will
> support python till the end.
> But as Andy Baker just said "lots of people who are competent in Python
> are lost in the world of makefiles" and I must say that the Sourceforge
> page doesn't help at all.
> The forum is almost empty, there's is only one bug reported and when you
> click on the "home page" link you find out that there is NO HOME PAGE.
> Such a project with such few content. The only way to succeed here will
> be showing the efforts of the project... In Sourceforge there are rather
> hidden...
>
> I think there are two critical items missing in the TODO list:
>
> 1. A compiled version of pythonce.
> 2. A human readable and user friendly homepage (and yes, a blog would be
> just fine to show advances and related news).
>
> Bye.
>
> rc.
> _______________________________________________
> PythonCE mailing list
> PythonCE at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
> 

From stewart.midwinter at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 18:09:47 2006
From: stewart.midwinter at gmail.com (Stewart Midwinter)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:09:47 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] Empty project or Human Friendly Project?
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-DAV36F0CC180B21F3EE440618A210@phx.gbl>
References: <43BE9894.3030700@simov.cl>
	<BAY101-DAV36F0CC180B21F3EE440618A210@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <d4c0d4800601060909v583d2c4coa93baa9a0cb6ba60@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/6/06, Luke Dunstan <coder_infidel at hotmail.com> wrote:

> As for the web page, I agree that it would be nice to have something there
> but writing web pages is not really my area of expertise or interest, so you
> are welcome to write something yourself. I would prefer a wiki for the main
> documentation so maybe we can either create one or use an existing one like
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/FrontPage or
> http://www.murkworks.com/Research/Python/PythonCE/PythonCEWiki/FrontPage ???

Either would be fine by me. The wiki at murkworks is already set up
and specific to this project, so easier to start with. I note however
that the last entry there was 3 years ago.  Brad Clements, the wiki
admin, is one of the pythonce developers though, so Brad can you tell
us if the location is still considered 'temporary' or whether we could
make use of it for some time?

Luke, is it possible to create a home page on SF that does nothing
more than redirect to another location?  Must be, since I see other
projects doing something similar.   I'll be happy to sign up and make
it happen, if it will help.

cheers
S



--
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stewart at midwinter.ca
stewart.midwinter at gmail.com
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From coder_infidel at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  6 18:21:48 2006
From: coder_infidel at hotmail.com (Luke Dunstan)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 01:21:48 +0800
Subject: [PythonCE] Empty project or Human Friendly Project?
References: <43BE9894.3030700@simov.cl>
	<d4c0d4800601060859v277eb41btb700971a9ceec740@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV23D5C863847A4429742BA8A210@phx.gbl>


SourceForge provides hosting with nice features like scripting and MySQL, 
documented here:

http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=4297&group_id=1

Alternatively, a project administrator can change the "Home Page" link to 
point to another site.

It's not obvious to me how to edit the MurkWorks wiki but hopefully editing 
is just disabled temporarily.

Luke

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stewart Midwinter" <stewart.midwinter at gmail.com>
To: "Rodrigo Contreras K?brich" <rc at simov.cl>
Cc: <pythonce at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 12:59 AM
Subject: Re: [PythonCE] Empty project or Human Friendly Project?


tienes raz?n Rodrigo!

The SF project doesn't have a home page.  Perhaps one of the current
developers, bkc, kashtan, pfalcon can make it happen or delegate the
job to one of us (I can help).  Do we get a space on SF to create the
home page, or do we have to host it elsewhere?  If so, I note that the
domain pythonce.org is available!

cheers,
--
Stewart Midwinter
Python 2.3.4 on Toshiba e830

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From rc at simov.cl  Fri Jan  6 18:22:54 2006
From: rc at simov.cl (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodrigo_Contreras_K=F6brich?=)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:22:54 -0300
Subject: [PythonCE] that's it...
Message-ID: <43BEA76E.9080109@simov.cl>

That would be very useful, Steward...

I'm very interested in helping, too.

From stewart.midwinter at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 18:37:27 2006
From: stewart.midwinter at gmail.com (Stewart Midwinter)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:37:27 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] Empty project or Human Friendly Project?
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-DAV23D5C863847A4429742BA8A210@phx.gbl>
References: <43BE9894.3030700@simov.cl>
	<d4c0d4800601060859v277eb41btb700971a9ceec740@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY101-DAV23D5C863847A4429742BA8A210@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <d4c0d4800601060937w2fb25fbbq3a1e98d379010809@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/6/06, Luke Dunstan <coder_infidel at hotmail.com> wrote:
> It's not obvious to me how to edit the MurkWorks wiki but hopefully editing
> is just disabled temporarily.

I see on the 'contributors' page on the Murkworks site the following comment:
"Please ask Brad for setting your username and password if you want
participate."

So it seems that there is a manual process for getting approved to
edit that wiki.  If Brad is around, perhaps he'd like to comment on
whether he would like to see more use made of the wiki.

s

From rc at simov.cl  Fri Jan  6 18:32:16 2006
From: rc at simov.cl (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodrigo_Contreras_K=F6brich?=)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:32:16 -0300
Subject: [PythonCE] oops..
Message-ID: <43BEA9A0.5050105@simov.cl>

I apologize to the developers. I've just found the CAB file.
But I will keep my ideas about the lack of human-friendlyness of the 
project.

One of the important things about a future homepage is that we all users 
of pythonce will be able to post samples and code in order to make the 
thing more and more popular.
As soon as I get it to work on my iPAQ I will start to post my advances 
on my page. The pythonce.org space will be the best place to do it, of 
course.

Bye, again.

rc.

PS: Hey, this is not spam, ok?

From pdemb at gazeta.pl  Fri Jan  6 20:21:12 2006
From: pdemb at gazeta.pl (Peter Dembinski)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 20:21:12 +0100
Subject: [PythonCE] PythonCE 1.5.2 for XScale?
Message-ID: <op.s2y1dmz1p2c5o9@hector.domek>

I know CPython 1.5.2 is deprecated, but does anyone have a PythonCE
version 1.5.2 compiled for XScale processors?

-- 
http://www.peter.dembinski.prv.pl



From rc at simov.cl  Fri Jan  6 20:28:51 2006
From: rc at simov.cl (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodrigo_Contreras_K=F6brich?=)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:28:51 -0300
Subject: [PythonCE] Tkinter in pythonce...
Message-ID: <43BEC4F3.5000905@simov.cl>

Hi.

I installed the CAB file in my PDA.
The first thing I wanted to test was the GUI capabilities, so I tried to 
run the following code (which compiles nicely in the PC version):

from Tkinter import *

root = Tk()

myContainer1 = Frame(root)  ### (1)
myContainer1.pack()         ### (2)

root.mainloop()

But pythonce raises an error code: No module named Tkinter.

I noticed that there is a file named '_tkinter.pyd' at the DLLs folder.
What should I do?

Bye.

From bkc at murkworks.com  Fri Jan  6 20:36:34 2006
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:36:34 -0500
Subject: [PythonCE] Empty project or Human Friendly Project?
In-Reply-To: <d4c0d4800601060859v277eb41btb700971a9ceec740@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43BE9894.3030700@simov.cl>
Message-ID: <43BE8072.30544.10033B23@bkc.murkworks.com>

On 6 Jan 2006 at 9:59, Stewart Midwinter wrote:

> tienes raz?n Rodrigo!
> 
> The SF project doesn't have a home page.  Perhaps one of the current
> developers, bkc, kashtan, pfalcon can make it happen or delegate the
> job to one of us (I can help).  Do we get a space on SF to create the
> home page, or do we have to host it elsewhere?  If so, I note that the
> domain pythonce.org is available!

SF provides hosting space for the web page, or we can just put the home page 
somewhere else.

I've never setup web pages on SF before. I wonder if they have webdav support 
or something.

It's been ages since I've done a static page.. heh. 

I'm happy for volunteers.. What content do we need?

There's some old how-to's on the murkworks research wiki, it's out of date

http://www.murkworks.com/Research/Python/PythonCE/PythonCEWiki/FrontPage




-- 
Brad Clements,                bkc at murkworks.com    (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          
AOL-IM or SKYPE: BKClements



From tlesher at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 20:30:27 2006
From: tlesher at gmail.com (Tim Lesher)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:30:27 -0500
Subject: [PythonCE] Empty project or Human Friendly Project?
In-Reply-To: <d4c0d4800601060937w2fb25fbbq3a1e98d379010809@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43BE9894.3030700@simov.cl>
	<d4c0d4800601060859v277eb41btb700971a9ceec740@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY101-DAV23D5C863847A4429742BA8A210@phx.gbl>
	<d4c0d4800601060937w2fb25fbbq3a1e98d379010809@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9613db600601061130l56f81410j8bf45065b56046db@mail.gmail.com>

I think one of the issues that really hurts PythonCE is the fact that
it's not part of the mainline, so its availability and status is
always questionable.

A few weeks ago on the core python-dev mailing list, Guido weighed in on this:

"My reason for wanting people to contribute ports back is that if they
don't, the port is more likely to stick on some ancient version of
Python (e.g. I believe Nokia is still at 2.2.2). Then, assuming the
port remains popular, its users are going to pressure developers of
general Python packages to provide support for old versions of Python.

While I agree that maintaining port-specific code is a pain whenever
Python is upgraded, I still think that accepting patches for
odd-platform ports is the better alternative. Even if the patches
deteriorate as Python evolves, they should still (in principle) make a
re-port easier."

Just my opinion, but I don't think PythonCE will get much traction
unless and until someone decides to clean up the build and contribute
it back to the core.
--
Tim Lesher <tlesher at gmail.com>

From jeff_barish at earthlink.net  Fri Jan  6 20:38:23 2006
From: jeff_barish at earthlink.net (Jeffrey Barish)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:38:23 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] Compiled version of Python 2.3.5 for Windows CE?
Message-ID: <200601061238.23693.jeff_barish@earthlink.net>

Thank you for the additional information.  The description of 
PythonCE-2.3.5-20051223-setup.exe in the release notes says that the program 
registers the .cab file and allows easy installation, but doesn't mention 
that it includes the binary.  Maybe that's obvious to people who know Windows 
CE better than I do.

I have managed to install PythonCE-2.3.5.  There is an icon and tapping it 
runs python 2.3.5.  I can import wx and Pyro.  However, when I tap on one of 
my programs (using file explorer), I now get the message:

The file 'xxx' cannot be opened.  Either it is not signed with a trusted 
certificate, or one of its components cannot be found.  You might need to 
reinstall or restore this file.

Did I do something wrong in the installation?
-- 
Jeffrey Barish

From bkc at murkworks.com  Fri Jan  6 20:38:59 2006
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:38:59 -0500
Subject: [PythonCE] Empty project or Human Friendly Project?
In-Reply-To: <d4c0d4800601060909v583d2c4coa93baa9a0cb6ba60@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY101-DAV36F0CC180B21F3EE440618A210@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <43BE8103.15713.10057275@bkc.murkworks.com>

On 6 Jan 2006 at 10:09, Stewart Midwinter wrote:

> Either would be fine by me. The wiki at murkworks is already set up
> and specific to this project, so easier to start with. I note however
> that the last entry there was 3 years ago.  Brad Clements, the wiki
> admin, is one of the pythonce developers though, so Brad can you tell
> us if the location is still considered 'temporary' or whether we could
> make use of it for some time?

The wiki is not intended to be temporary. It's an old version of zwiki, should 
probably be updated and I need to do something about self-provisioning  
accounts. I think it's closed to editing due to spam.

> 
> Luke, is it possible to create a home page on SF that does nothing
> more than redirect to another location?  Must be, since I see other
> projects doing something similar.   I'll be happy to sign up and make
> it happen, if it will help.

I can make a redirect page easily enough. But having a wiki for the home page 
sufficient?

Should I setup a Trac site instead?

What about spam control?



-- 
Brad Clements,                bkc at murkworks.com    (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          
AOL-IM or SKYPE: BKClements



From bkc at murkworks.com  Fri Jan  6 20:40:52 2006
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:40:52 -0500
Subject: [PythonCE] Empty project or Human Friendly Project?
In-Reply-To: <d4c0d4800601060937w2fb25fbbq3a1e98d379010809@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY101-DAV23D5C863847A4429742BA8A210@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <43BE8174.10659.10072BFC@bkc.murkworks.com>

On 6 Jan 2006 at 10:37, Stewart Midwinter wrote:

> I see on the 'contributors' page on the Murkworks site the following
> comment: "Please ask Brad for setting your username and password if
> you want participate."
> 
> So it seems that there is a manual process for getting approved to
> edit that wiki.  If Brad is around, perhaps he'd like to comment on
> whether he would like to see more use made of the wiki.

yes I would

I think I turned off anonymous commenting and editing due to spam overload.

Telion has disappeared, he was maintaining the wiki contents.

It's an old zwiki.. Should I move to Trac or something else instead?

I can continue to host it.



-- 
Brad Clements,                bkc at murkworks.com    (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          
AOL-IM or SKYPE: BKClements



From bkc at murkworks.com  Fri Jan  6 20:51:31 2006
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:51:31 -0500
Subject: [PythonCE] Empty project or Human Friendly Project?
In-Reply-To: <9613db600601061130l56f81410j8bf45065b56046db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d4c0d4800601060937w2fb25fbbq3a1e98d379010809@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43BE83F3.13878.1010ECEF@bkc.murkworks.com>

On 6 Jan 2006 at 14:30, Tim Lesher wrote:

> Just my opinion, but I don't think PythonCE will get much traction
> unless and until someone decides to clean up the build and contribute
> it back to the core. -- Tim Lesher <tlesher at gmail.com>


For sure,

and a few years back I started down that road.

Older versions of Windows CE have big incompatibability issues.

I tried, for example, to cleanup NaN handling in various places, getpath.c 
implementation and so on.

My cleanup was done via C macros that would be "compiled out" on standard 
platforms.

I sent a few trial balloons up to the python-dev list, but my approach was not 
generally liked.

I had spent hours editing code to stick these damn macros in,  and while it 
worked, it apparently wasn't an acceptable solution.


Unfortunately I can't remember now exactly what the story was.. anyway, for as 
much as I've tried to get my clients interested in Python on CE, I've never had any 
interest from any of them. So my Python CE support has been low.

Combine that with the difficult problem of integrating the CE port back into the 
mainline code and .. I have just let the project slip by.

Anyway.. it would be great to get our changes back into the mainline code, but I 
don't think it's a simple problem to solve.. :-(



-- 
Brad Clements,                bkc at murkworks.com    (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          
AOL-IM or SKYPE: BKClements



From tlesher at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 22:10:02 2006
From: tlesher at gmail.com (Tim Lesher)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:10:02 -0500
Subject: [PythonCE] Empty project or Human Friendly Project?
In-Reply-To: <43BE83F3.13878.1010ECEF@bkc.murkworks.com>
References: <d4c0d4800601060937w2fb25fbbq3a1e98d379010809@mail.gmail.com>
	<9613db600601061130l56f81410j8bf45065b56046db@mail.gmail.com>
	<43BE83F3.13878.1010ECEF@bkc.murkworks.com>
Message-ID: <9613db600601061310l13f5ed9cn75ee2d9c37ccd584@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/6/06, Brad Clements <bkc at murkworks.com> wrote:
> Older versions of Windows CE have big incompatibability issues.

New ones, too. :-) Especially on non-PocketPC devices.

> Anyway.. it would be great to get our changes back into the mainline code, but I
> don't think it's a simple problem to solve.. :-(

Believe me, I understand--crossplatform development isn't easy, and
Windows CE is specifically warped enough to make it worse.

Just so we're perfectly clear, I certainly don't mean to discount the
work you've done to date on the port--many thanks for that.
--
Tim Lesher <tlesher at gmail.com>

From kashtan at Validus.Com  Fri Jan  6 22:43:56 2006
From: kashtan at Validus.Com (David L. Kashtan)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:43:56 -0800
Subject: [PythonCE] Empty project or Human Friendly Project?
In-Reply-To: <9613db600601061130l56f81410j8bf45065b56046db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43BE9894.3030700@simov.cl>	<d4c0d4800601060859v277eb41btb700971a9ceec740@mail.gmail.com>	<BAY101-DAV23D5C863847A4429742BA8A210@phx.gbl>	<d4c0d4800601060937w2fb25fbbq3a1e98d379010809@mail.gmail.com>
	<9613db600601061130l56f81410j8bf45065b56046db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43BEE49C.5060204@validus.com>

Tim Lesher wrote:
> I think one of the issues that really hurts PythonCE is the fact that
> it's not part of the mainline, so its availability and status is
> always questionable.

This is indeed the big issue.  When I did the original PythonCE port
of 2.3.4 one of my big objectives was to do it as a compatibility layer
to Win32 -- so it could easily integrate into the mainline source development
and the burden for me to keep it current would then be small.  I tried to
get it back into the Mainline but (and my memory is fuzzy here) my attempt
to arrange the integration with the mainline python developers went nowhere.

I have not looked at the 2.3.5 work that was done, but I would hope that it
was disciplined enough to keep the compatibility layer technique intact.

If somebody could deal with the political issues of getting integrated with
the mainline development, the technical work should not be too bad.  Please
let me know if there is anything I can do to help.

David Kashtan
Validus Medical Systems Inc.


From rc at simov.cl  Fri Jan  6 23:06:48 2006
From: rc at simov.cl (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rodrigo_Contreras_K=F6brich?=)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 19:06:48 -0300
Subject: [PythonCE] "political issues"?
Message-ID: <43BEE9F8.8070307@simov.cl>

Hi, David:

I'm new to the list, but I'm paying a lot of attention to every message 
and I must say that today the discussion got very spicy.
Can you explain a little what dealing with the "political issues of 
getting integrated with the mainline development" means?
The Nokia implementation of Python is well known and I really can't 
figure out why they don't have PPC in mind.
It seams that the term "political issues" is very inappropriate for an 
open source project.
Who won't be glad to have a first-hand well documented version of pythonce?

Rc.

From bkc at murkworks.com  Fri Jan  6 23:39:07 2006
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 17:39:07 -0500
Subject: [PythonCE] "political issues" - integration attempt history
In-Reply-To: <43BEE9F8.8070307@simov.cl>
Message-ID: <43BEAB3B.348.10AA5C99@bkc.murkworks.com>

On 6 Jan 2006 at 19:06, Rodrigo Contreras K?brich wrote:

> I'm new to the list, but I'm paying a lot of attention to every
> message and I must say that today the discussion got very spicy. Can
> you explain a little what dealing with the "political issues of
> getting integrated with the mainline development" means? The Nokia
> implementation of Python is well known and I really can't figure out
> why they don't have PPC in mind. It seams that the term "political
> issues" is very inappropriate for an open source project. Who won't be
> glad to have a first-hand well documented version of pythonce?

Whoa.

I hope that my earlier posts didn't imply any "political" issues.

I submitted a patch to python-dev, it wasn't up to snuff.. But I wasn't motivated to 
rework it enough to get it accepted. I don't want anyone to have the false 
impression that I was disappointed by the response I received from python-dev 
folks. 



It's a hard problem. Now google has reminded me the big issue was assignment 
to errno is not allowed on CE because errno is not a variable on the CE platform.

Start with this thread

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2002-September/028884.html

Of more interest is gvr's response:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2002-September/028893.html


And this problem, reserved keywords:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2002-September/028905.html

I think those two threads, from 2002, pretty much cooled me to the idea of re-
integration.

(note I was also trying to support Python on NetWare, which had similar issues 
with errno)

NetWare is dead now, but CE remains.. ;-)


-- 
Brad Clements,                bkc at murkworks.com    (315)268-1000
http://www.murkworks.com                          
AOL-IM or SKYPE: BKClements



From kashtan at Validus.Com  Fri Jan  6 23:46:19 2006
From: kashtan at Validus.Com (David L. Kashtan)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:46:19 -0800
Subject: [PythonCE] "political issues"?
In-Reply-To: <43BEE9F8.8070307@simov.cl>
References: <43BEE9F8.8070307@simov.cl>
Message-ID: <43BEF33B.6020708@validus.com>

This is just conjecture on my part, but having been elbow-deep in the
Python 2.3.4 code, I don't think multi-platform was much of a concern
for Python in the early days.  When you don't have a multi-platform
(in this case Multi-OS) architecture in place early-on, the code slowly
becomes less and less maintainable because of all the conditionals the
developers have to deal with.

I think this is pretty much the problem Brad dealt with when he attempted
to put his Python 1.5 port into the mainline.  With a lot of MACROS going
in, the Mainline developers were reluctant to deal with it.  That is one
of the reasons why I went with a compatability layer to make PythonCE as
close to Win32 Python as possible.

David

Rodrigo Contreras K?brich wrote:
> 
> I'm new to the list, but I'm paying a lot of attention to every message 
> and I must say that today the discussion got very spicy.
> Can you explain a little what dealing with the "political issues of 
> getting integrated with the mainline development" means?
> The Nokia implementation of Python is well known and I really can't 
> figure out why they don't have PPC in mind.
> It seams that the term "political issues" is very inappropriate for an 
> open source project.
> Who won't be glad to have a first-hand well documented version of pythonce?
> 
> Rc.

From michaelmurdock at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 23:13:39 2006
From: michaelmurdock at gmail.com (Michael Murdock)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:13:39 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] PythonCE Digest, Vol 30, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <mailman.764.1136568569.27774.pythonce@python.org>
References: <mailman.764.1136568569.27774.pythonce@python.org>
Message-ID: <bc98f3670601061413ybe5b731l449cc1185dcf6c06@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Thomas Heller wrote:
>> I cannot answer these questions, but I'll try to get comtypes working.
>> Are there 'interesting' COM objects on a Pocket PC 2003 to experiment
>> with?

I would _love_ to get COM access from inside PythonCE because I want to
be able to control Pocket Outlook. Here's an excerpt from an MSDN SDK
Documentation for Windows Mobile-Based Pocket PCs:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/guide_ppc/html/ppc_conpocketoutlookobjectmodel.asp

"Pocket Outlook Object Model

The Pocket Outlook Object Model (POOM) API provides access to Personal
Information Manager (PIM) data on Pocket PCs and Smartphones running
Microsoft Windows Mobile 2000 software and later. The POOM API mirrors
the desktop version of the Outlook Object Model but has a smaller scope of
functionality to accommodate the practical constraints of mobile devices.

The POOM API is a COM-based library that provides programmatic access
to Pocket Outlook data items and their container objects. The POOM API
provides an object-oriented framework for creating, modifying, and displaying
appointment, task, and contact items. It also provides functionality for
manipulating PIM item collections and folders.

Note: The Microsoft Windows Mobile 2003 SDK ships with a code sample,
named "POOMMaster," that uses the POOM API. The default location for the
installed code sample is C:\Program Files\Windows CE Tools\wce420\POCKET
PC 2003\Samples\Win32\Poommaster."

You mentioned comtypes would need to be changed. What else would need to
change to be able to access the POOM interfaces?

Thanks,

~Michael.

From dblanchard at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 01:27:53 2006
From: dblanchard at gmail.com (Duane Blanchard)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:27:53 -0800
Subject: [PythonCE] PythonCE Digest, Vol 30, Issue 6
In-Reply-To: <mailman.787.1136581807.27774.pythonce@python.org>
References: <mailman.787.1136581807.27774.pythonce@python.org>
Message-ID: <d2489e840601061627x5a2d93b9v20972bc38fb47e17@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I've been lurking on the list and playing a little with PythonCE.
Very cool stuff here. Thanks to all the developers, many thanks. I'm
not a very talented coder, yet, but am willing to do the footwork of
getting an SF page for the project. It seems to me that everyone would
want this. Are there any objections before I go ahead and do it?

Thanks,

Duane


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>    1. Re: Empty project or Human Friendly Project? (Stewart Midwinter)
>    2. oops.. (Rodrigo Contreras K?brich)
>    3. PythonCE 1.5.2 for XScale? (Peter Dembinski)
>    4. Tkinter in pythonce... (Rodrigo Contreras K?brich)
>    5. Re: Empty project or Human Friendly Project? (Brad Clements)
>    6. Re: Empty project or Human Friendly Project? (Tim Lesher)
>    7. Compiled version of Python 2.3.5 for Windows CE? (Jeffrey Barish)
>    8. Re: Empty project or Human Friendly Project? (Brad Clements)
>    9. Re: Empty project or Human Friendly Project? (Brad Clements)
>   10. Re: Empty project or Human Friendly Project? (Brad Clements)
>   11. Re: Empty project or Human Friendly Project? (Tim Lesher)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:37:27 -0700
> From: Stewart Midwinter <stewart.midwinter at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [PythonCE] Empty project or Human Friendly Project?
> To: Luke Dunstan <coder_infidel at hotmail.com>
> Cc: pythonce at python.org
> Message-ID:
>         <d4c0d4800601060937w2fb25fbbq3a1e98d379010809 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On 1/6/06, Luke Dunstan <coder_infidel at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > It's not obvious to me how to edit the MurkWorks wiki but hopefully editing
> > is just disabled temporarily.
>
> I see on the 'contributors' page on the Murkworks site the following comment:
> "Please ask Brad for setting your username and password if you want
> participate."
>
> So it seems that there is a manual process for getting approved to
> edit that wiki.  If Brad is around, perhaps he'd like to comment on
> whether he would like to see more use made of the wiki.
>
> s
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:32:16 -0300
> From: Rodrigo Contreras K?brich <rc at simov.cl>
> Subject: [PythonCE] oops..
> To: pythonce at python.org
> Message-ID: <43BEA9A0.5050105 at simov.cl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
> I apologize to the developers. I've just found the CAB file.
> But I will keep my ideas about the lack of human-friendlyness of the
> project.
>
> One of the important things about a future homepage is that we all users
> of pythonce will be able to post samples and code in order to make the
> thing more and more popular.
> As soon as I get it to work on my iPAQ I will start to post my advances
> on my page. The pythonce.org space will be the best place to do it, of
> course.
>
> Bye, again.
>
> rc.
>
> PS: Hey, this is not spam, ok?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 20:21:12 +0100
> From: "Peter Dembinski" <pdemb at gazeta.pl>
> Subject: [PythonCE] PythonCE 1.5.2 for XScale?
> To: pythonce at python.org
> Message-ID: <op.s2y1dmz1p2c5o9 at hector.domek>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii
>
> I know CPython 1.5.2 is deprecated, but does anyone have a PythonCE
> version 1.5.2 compiled for XScale processors?
>
> --
> http://www.peter.dembinski.prv.pl
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 16:28:51 -0300
> From: Rodrigo Contreras K?brich <rc at simov.cl>
> Subject: [PythonCE] Tkinter in pythonce...
> To: pythonce at python.org
> Message-ID: <43BEC4F3.5000905 at simov.cl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi.
>
> I installed the CAB file in my PDA.
> The first thing I wanted to test was the GUI capabilities, so I tried to
> run the following code (which compiles nicely in the PC version):
>
> from Tkinter import *
>
> root = Tk()
>
> myContainer1 = Frame(root)  ### (1)
> myContainer1.pack()         ### (2)
>
> root.mainloop()
>
> But pythonce raises an error code: No module named Tkinter.
>
> I noticed that there is a file named '_tkinter.pyd' at the DLLs folder.
> What should I do?
>
> Bye.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:36:34 -0500
> From: "Brad Clements" <bkc at murkworks.com>
> Subject: Re: [PythonCE] Empty project or Human Friendly Project?
> To: pythonce at python.org
> Message-ID: <43BE8072.30544.10033B23 at bkc.murkworks.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On 6 Jan 2006 at 9:59, Stewart Midwinter wrote:
>
> > tienes raz?n Rodrigo!
> >
> > The SF project doesn't have a home page.  Perhaps one of the current
> > developers, bkc, kashtan, pfalcon can make it happen or delegate the
> > job to one of us (I can help).  Do we get a space on SF to create the
> > home page, or do we have to host it elsewhere?  If so, I note that the
> > domain pythonce.org is available!
>
> SF provides hosting space for the web page, or we can just put the home page
> somewhere else.
>
> I've never setup web pages on SF before. I wonder if they have webdav support
> or something.
>
> It's been ages since I've done a static page.. heh.
>
> I'm happy for volunteers.. What content do we need?
>
> There's some old how-to's on the murkworks research wiki, it's out of date
>
> http://www.murkworks.com/Research/Python/PythonCE/PythonCEWiki/FrontPage
>
>
>
>
> --
> Brad Clements,                bkc at murkworks.com    (315)268-1000
> http://www.murkworks.com
> AOL-IM or SKYPE: BKClements
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:30:27 -0500
> From: Tim Lesher <tlesher at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [PythonCE] Empty project or Human Friendly Project?
> To: pythonce at python.org
> Message-ID:
>         <9613db600601061130l56f81410j8bf45065b56046db at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I think one of the issues that really hurts PythonCE is the fact that
> it's not part of the mainline, so its availability and status is
> always questionable.
>
> A few weeks ago on the core python-dev mailing list, Guido weighed in on this:
>
> "My reason for wanting people to contribute ports back is that if they
> don't, the port is more likely to stick on some ancient version of
> Python (e.g. I believe Nokia is still at 2.2.2). Then, assuming the
> port remains popular, its users are going to pressure developers of
> general Python packages to provide support for old versions of Python.
>
> While I agree that maintaining port-specific code is a pain whenever
> Python is upgraded, I still think that accepting patches for
> odd-platform ports is the better alternative. Even if the patches
> deteriorate as Python evolves, they should still (in principle) make a
> re-port easier."
>
> Just my opinion, but I don't think PythonCE will get much traction
> unless and until someone decides to clean up the build and contribute
> it back to the core.
> --
> Tim Lesher <tlesher at gmail.com>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:38:23 -0700
> From: Jeffrey Barish <jeff_barish at earthlink.net>
> Subject: [PythonCE] Compiled version of Python 2.3.5 for Windows CE?
> To: pythonce at python.org
> Message-ID: <200601061238.23693.jeff_barish at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="us-ascii"
>
> Thank you for the additional information.  The description of
> PythonCE-2.3.5-20051223-setup.exe in the release notes says that the program
> registers the .cab file and allows easy installation, but doesn't mention
> that it includes the binary.  Maybe that's obvious to people who know Windows
> CE better than I do.
>
> I have managed to install PythonCE-2.3.5.  There is an icon and tapping it
> runs python 2.3.5.  I can import wx and Pyro.  However, when I tap on one of
> my programs (using file explorer), I now get the message:
>
> The file 'xxx' cannot be opened.  Either it is not signed with a trusted
> certificate, or one of its components cannot be found.  You might need to
> reinstall or restore this file.
>
> Did I do something wrong in the installation?
> --
> Jeffrey Barish
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:38:59 -0500
> From: "Brad Clements" <bkc at murkworks.com>
> Subject: Re: [PythonCE] Empty project or Human Friendly Project?
> To: pythonce at python.org
> Message-ID: <43BE8103.15713.10057275 at bkc.murkworks.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On 6 Jan 2006 at 10:09, Stewart Midwinter wrote:
>
> > Either would be fine by me. The wiki at murkworks is already set up
> > and specific to this project, so easier to start with. I note however
> > that the last entry there was 3 years ago.  Brad Clements, the wiki
> > admin, is one of the pythonce developers though, so Brad can you tell
> > us if the location is still considered 'temporary' or whether we could
> > make use of it for some time?
>
> The wiki is not intended to be temporary. It's an old version of zwiki, should
> probably be updated and I need to do something about self-provisioning
> accounts. I think it's closed to editing due to spam.
>
> >
> > Luke, is it possible to create a home page on SF that does nothing
> > more than redirect to another location?  Must be, since I see other
> > projects doing something similar.   I'll be happy to sign up and make
> > it happen, if it will help.
>
> I can make a redirect page easily enough. But having a wiki for the home page
> sufficient?
>
> Should I setup a Trac site instead?
>
> What about spam control?
>
>
>
> --
> Brad Clements,                bkc at murkworks.com    (315)268-1000
> http://www.murkworks.com
> AOL-IM or SKYPE: BKClements
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:40:52 -0500
> From: "Brad Clements" <bkc at murkworks.com>
> Subject: Re: [PythonCE] Empty project or Human Friendly Project?
> To: pythonce at python.org
> Message-ID: <43BE8174.10659.10072BFC at bkc.murkworks.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On 6 Jan 2006 at 10:37, Stewart Midwinter wrote:
>
> > I see on the 'contributors' page on the Murkworks site the following
> > comment: "Please ask Brad for setting your username and password if
> > you want participate."
> >
> > So it seems that there is a manual process for getting approved to
> > edit that wiki.  If Brad is around, perhaps he'd like to comment on
> > whether he would like to see more use made of the wiki.
>
> yes I would
>
> I think I turned off anonymous commenting and editing due to spam overload.
>
> Telion has disappeared, he was maintaining the wiki contents.
>
> It's an old zwiki.. Should I move to Trac or something else instead?
>
> I can continue to host it.
>
>
>
> --
> Brad Clements,                bkc at murkworks.com    (315)268-1000
> http://www.murkworks.com
> AOL-IM or SKYPE: BKClements
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:51:31 -0500
> From: "Brad Clements" <bkc at murkworks.com>
> Subject: Re: [PythonCE] Empty project or Human Friendly Project?
> To: pythonce at python.org
> Message-ID: <43BE83F3.13878.1010ECEF at bkc.murkworks.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On 6 Jan 2006 at 14:30, Tim Lesher wrote:
>
> > Just my opinion, but I don't think PythonCE will get much traction
> > unless and until someone decides to clean up the build and contribute
> > it back to the core. -- Tim Lesher <tlesher at gmail.com>
>
>
> For sure,
>
> and a few years back I started down that road.
>
> Older versions of Windows CE have big incompatibability issues.
>
> I tried, for example, to cleanup NaN handling in various places, getpath.c
> implementation and so on.
>
> My cleanup was done via C macros that would be "compiled out" on standard
> platforms.
>
> I sent a few trial balloons up to the python-dev list, but my approach was not
> generally liked.
>
> I had spent hours editing code to stick these damn macros in,  and while it
> worked, it apparently wasn't an acceptable solution.
>
>
> Unfortunately I can't remember now exactly what the story was.. anyway, for as
> much as I've tried to get my clients interested in Python on CE, I've never had any
> interest from any of them. So my Python CE support has been low.
>
> Combine that with the difficult problem of integrating the CE port back into the
> mainline code and .. I have just let the project slip by.
>
> Anyway.. it would be great to get our changes back into the mainline code, but I
> don't think it's a simple problem to solve.. :-(
>
>
>
> --
> Brad Clements,                bkc at murkworks.com    (315)268-1000
> http://www.murkworks.com
> AOL-IM or SKYPE: BKClements
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:10:02 -0500
> From: Tim Lesher <tlesher at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [PythonCE] Empty project or Human Friendly Project?
> To: Brad Clements <bkc at murkworks.com>
> Cc: pythonce at python.org
> Message-ID:
>         <9613db600601061310l13f5ed9cn75ee2d9c37ccd584 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On 1/6/06, Brad Clements <bkc at murkworks.com> wrote:
> > Older versions of Windows CE have big incompatibability issues.
>
> New ones, too. :-) Especially on non-PocketPC devices.
>
> > Anyway.. it would be great to get our changes back into the mainline code, but I
> > don't think it's a simple problem to solve.. :-(
>
> Believe me, I understand--crossplatform development isn't easy, and
> Windows CE is specifically warped enough to make it worse.
>
> Just so we're perfectly clear, I certainly don't mean to discount the
> work you've done to date on the port--many thanks for that.
> --
> Tim Lesher <tlesher at gmail.com>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
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>


--
Duane Blanchard
206.280.1263

There are 10 kinds of people in the world;
those who know binary and those who don't.

From stewart.midwinter at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 04:49:39 2006
From: stewart.midwinter at gmail.com (Stewart Midwinter)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:49:39 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] Tkinter in pythonce...
In-Reply-To: <43BEC4F3.5000905@simov.cl>
References: <43BEC4F3.5000905@simov.cl>
Message-ID: <d4c0d4800601061949h36d19895x11492775e3f118f5@mail.gmail.com>

Rodrigo, no desesperes!

Where do you have your python located?

You probably need to add some code that tells python where to look for
modules. you can do that with:
sys.path.append('\\SD Card\\Program Files\\Python\\Lib')
sys.path.append('\\SD Card\\Program Files\\Python\\Lib\\python23.zip\\lib-tk')

(of course, change that to the location where your python is located).

if you put the above into a file called sitecustomize.py in your
python folder, whenever it starts, it will read this file so you don't
have to put the code into your apps.

Inside your python folder, you should have a lib folder which contains
a pyton23.zip and a _tkinter.pyd. you may also have a
setup-registry.py, which will edit your registry so that you can just
double-click on python files to run them.

You may also want to look around for a copy of osce.py, which gives
you access to some of the features of the 'os' module on the desktop.

HTH
S

From stewart.midwinter at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 04:53:26 2006
From: stewart.midwinter at gmail.com (Stewart Midwinter)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:53:26 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] Compiled version of Python 2.3.5 for Windows CE?
In-Reply-To: <200601061238.23693.jeff_barish@earthlink.net>
References: <200601061238.23693.jeff_barish@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <d4c0d4800601061953o15426407p7dc615ca7f514481@mail.gmail.com>

Jeffrey, have you had a previous version of python installed?   In
previous versions there was a script called setup-registry.py.   If
you previously used this, maybe your registry does not now point to
the new python installation. OTOH, if you never had python installed
before, look for such a file and run it using the Setup Registry.lnk
shortcut.

cheers
S


On 1/6/06, Jeffrey Barish <jeff_barish at earthlink.net> wrote:
> I have managed to install PythonCE-2.3.5.  There is an icon and tapping it
> runs python 2.3.5.  I can import wx and Pyro.  However, when I tap on one of
> my programs (using file explorer), I now get the message:
>
> The file 'xxx' cannot be opened.  Either it is not signed with a trusted
> certificate, or one of its components cannot be found.  You might need to
> reinstall or restore this file.


--
Stewart Midwinter
stewart at midwinter.ca
stewart.midwinter at gmail.com
Skype, GoogleTalk, iChatAV, MSN, Yahoo: midtoad
AIM:midtoad1

From coder_infidel at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  7 04:59:33 2006
From: coder_infidel at hotmail.com (Luke Dunstan)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 11:59:33 +0800
Subject: [PythonCE] Tkinter in pythonce...
References: <43BEC4F3.5000905@simov.cl>
	<d4c0d4800601061949h36d19895x11492775e3f118f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV14913150A5347CD8BEE6A88A200@phx.gbl>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stewart Midwinter" <stewart.midwinter at gmail.com>
To: "Rodrigo Contreras K?brich" <rc at simov.cl>
Cc: <pythonce at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [PythonCE] Tkinter in pythonce...


> Rodrigo, no desesperes!
>
> Where do you have your python located?
>
> You probably need to add some code that tells python where to look for
> modules. you can do that with:
> sys.path.append('\\SD Card\\Program Files\\Python\\Lib')
> sys.path.append('\\SD Card\\Program 
> Files\\Python\\Lib\\python23.zip\\lib-tk')

This is not necessary because both of these directories are automatically in 
sys.path (just as on the desktop version of Python). If this is not the case 
then it is a bug.

>
> (of course, change that to the location where your python is located).
>
> if you put the above into a file called sitecustomize.py in your
> python folder, whenever it starts, it will read this file so you don't
> have to put the code into your apps.

Thanks for the tip. I haven't used sitecustomise.py before but I do use .pth 
files to add my own directories to the search path.

> Inside your python folder, you should have a lib folder which contains
> a pyton23.zip and a _tkinter.pyd. you may also have a
> setup-registry.py, which will edit your registry so that you can just
> double-click on python files to run them.

This is true of the 2.3.4 release but in the latest release the hierarchy 
looks like:

\Program Files\Python\
- python.exe
- python23.zip
- python23.dll
- DLLs\
    - _tkinter.pyd
- Lib\

This is intended to be the same as the desktop version of Python on Windows 
(except for the .zip file).

>
> You may also want to look around for a copy of osce.py, which gives
> you access to some of the features of the 'os' module on the desktop.
>
> HTH
> S

You should already have an 'os' module. Or are there some specific functions 
that it doesn't include?

Luke

From coder_infidel at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  7 05:00:50 2006
From: coder_infidel at hotmail.com (Luke Dunstan)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:00:50 +0800
Subject: [PythonCE] Compiled version of Python 2.3.5 for Windows CE?
References: <200601061238.23693.jeff_barish@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV7518F98816DC17AD4608A8A200@phx.gbl>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeffrey Barish" <jeff_barish at earthlink.net>
To: <pythonce at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 3:38 AM
Subject: [PythonCE] Compiled version of Python 2.3.5 for Windows CE?


> Thank you for the additional information.  The description of
> PythonCE-2.3.5-20051223-setup.exe in the release notes says that the 
> program
> registers the .cab file and allows easy installation, but doesn't mention
> that it includes the binary.  Maybe that's obvious to people who know 
> Windows
> CE better than I do.

Perhaps the wording can be improved, but have you ever installed source code 
from an .exe file or a Windows CE .cab file? I haven't.

> I have managed to install PythonCE-2.3.5.  There is an icon and tapping it
> runs python 2.3.5.  I can import wx and Pyro.  However, when I tap on one 
> of
> my programs (using file explorer), I now get the message:
>
> The file 'xxx' cannot be opened.  Either it is not signed with a trusted
> certificate, or one of its components cannot be found.  You might need to
> reinstall or restore this file.

I haven't seen this specific error message but I assume it is due to .py 
files not being properly associated with python.exe.

> Did I do something wrong in the installation?
> -- 
> Jeffrey Barish

No, I simply haven't added the file associations to the CAB installer yet. I 
will try to do this for the next release but in the mean time copy the 
attached setup-registry.py to your PDA, run Python and then type:

execfile('\\program files\\python\\setup-registry.py')

The script can be placed anywhere though, this is just an example path.

Luke
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From stewart.midwinter at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 05:13:22 2006
From: stewart.midwinter at gmail.com (Stewart Midwinter)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:13:22 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] Tkinter in pythonce...
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-DAV14913150A5347CD8BEE6A88A200@phx.gbl>
References: <43BEC4F3.5000905@simov.cl>
	<d4c0d4800601061949h36d19895x11492775e3f118f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY101-DAV14913150A5347CD8BEE6A88A200@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <d4c0d4800601062013v47daf75dq281199e1c51e32fc@mail.gmail.com>

thanks for the extra details on 2.3.5.  I can see now that it's
different from 2.3.4. and more compatible with the desktop version.  
I'd better install it and find out more!

my comments about osce.py were directed at 2.3.4. Perhaps the newer
version doesn't need it, or may not be able to use it.

cheers
S

From coder_infidel at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  7 05:17:31 2006
From: coder_infidel at hotmail.com (Luke Dunstan)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:17:31 +0800
Subject: [PythonCE] Tkinter in pythonce 2.3.5...
References: <43BEC4F3.5000905@simov.cl>
	<d4c0d4800601061949h36d19895x11492775e3f118f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY101-DAV14913150A5347CD8BEE6A88A200@phx.gbl>
	<d4c0d4800601062013v47daf75dq281199e1c51e32fc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV10DB06A4D02D1093A4CFE48A200@phx.gbl>


Sorry, I was mistaken about one thing though: python23.zip\\lib-tk is not in 
sys.path by default (only Lib\\lib-tk is, but the Tkinter files are in the 
zip so that doesn't help).

Luke

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stewart Midwinter" <stewart.midwinter at gmail.com>
To: "Luke Dunstan" <coder_infidel at hotmail.com>
Cc: <pythonce at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [PythonCE] Tkinter in pythonce...


thanks for the extra details on 2.3.5.  I can see now that it's
different from 2.3.4. and more compatible with the desktop version.
I'd better install it and find out more!

my comments about osce.py were directed at 2.3.4. Perhaps the newer
version doesn't need it, or may not be able to use it.

cheers
S

From coder_infidel at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  7 05:20:47 2006
From: coder_infidel at hotmail.com (Luke Dunstan)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:20:47 +0800
Subject: [PythonCE] Tkinter in pythonce...
References: <43BEC4F3.5000905@simov.cl>
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV178947B39DEAA35F0CEC578A200@phx.gbl>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rodrigo Contreras K?brich" <rc at simov.cl>
To: <pythonce at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 3:28 AM
Subject: [PythonCE] Tkinter in pythonce...


> Hi.
>
> I installed the CAB file in my PDA.
> The first thing I wanted to test was the GUI capabilities, so I tried to
> run the following code (which compiles nicely in the PC version):
>
> from Tkinter import *

The first thing I should say is that I know very little about Tkinter/Tcl/Tk 
so I'm not really personally able to support this part of the PythonCE port. 
The installer does include _tkinter.pyd merely as a convenience but it does 
not include the Tcl/Tk DLLs, partly because as I said I don't know enough 
about them but also because they are too large to include when only some 
people will use them.

The Python part of Tkinter is also included but unfortunately they are not 
in the default sys.path. As per Stewart's suggestion you can use 
sitecustomize.py or another method to add '\\Program 
Files\\Python\\python23.zip\\lib-tk' to sys.path. In the next release I hope 
to fix this to be automatic. You still need to get Tcl/Tk DLLs from 
elsewhere though.

Luke

> root = Tk()
>
> myContainer1 = Frame(root)  ### (1)
> myContainer1.pack()         ### (2)
>
> root.mainloop()
>
> But pythonce raises an error code: No module named Tkinter.
>
> I noticed that there is a file named '_tkinter.pyd' at the DLLs folder.
> What should I do?
>
> Bye.
> _______________________________________________
> PythonCE mailing list
> PythonCE at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
> 

From stewart.midwinter at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 05:31:51 2006
From: stewart.midwinter at gmail.com (Stewart Midwinter)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 21:31:51 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] Tkinter in pythonce...
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-DAV178947B39DEAA35F0CEC578A200@phx.gbl>
References: <43BEC4F3.5000905@simov.cl>
	<BAY101-DAV178947B39DEAA35F0CEC578A200@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <d4c0d4800601062031n638d18d1rdb1472cd178261e5@mail.gmail.com>

I'll get a copy of 2.3.5 installed over the next few days, then post
my steps of what it took to get Tkinter going.

cheers
S


--
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stewart at midwinter.ca
stewart.midwinter at gmail.com
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From coder_infidel at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  7 05:53:42 2006
From: coder_infidel at hotmail.com (Luke Dunstan)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:53:42 +0800
Subject: [PythonCE] Web site (was Re: Empty project or Human Friendly
	Project?)
References: <BAY101-DAV36F0CC180B21F3EE440618A210@phx.gbl>
	<43BE8103.15713.10057275@bkc.murkworks.com>
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV7C307CDCA3F7D01E1666F8A200@phx.gbl>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brad Clements" <bkc at murkworks.com>
To: <pythonce at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 3:38 AM
Subject: Re: [PythonCE] Empty project or Human Friendly Project?


> On 6 Jan 2006 at 10:09, Stewart Midwinter wrote:
>
>> Either would be fine by me. The wiki at murkworks is already set up
>> and specific to this project, so easier to start with. I note however
>> that the last entry there was 3 years ago.  Brad Clements, the wiki
>> admin, is one of the pythonce developers though, so Brad can you tell
>> us if the location is still considered 'temporary' or whether we could
>> make use of it for some time?
>
> The wiki is not intended to be temporary. It's an old version of zwiki, 
> should
> probably be updated and I need to do something about self-provisioning
> accounts. I think it's closed to editing due to spam.
>
>>
>> Luke, is it possible to create a home page on SF that does nothing
>> more than redirect to another location?  Must be, since I see other
>> projects doing something similar.   I'll be happy to sign up and make
>> it happen, if it will help.
>
> I can make a redirect page easily enough. But having a wiki for the home 
> page
> sufficient?

I think having a wiki is the best first step since we have nothing at the 
moment. Already a few people have volunteered to help with the web page, and 
if we can immediately give them a wiki to edit then it avoids the hassle, 
the risks and the learning curve of giving them direct access to your web 
server.

> Should I setup a Trac site instead?

I haven't used Trac but it sounds like it includes things like bug tracking 
which SourceForge already provides so I wouldn't want to duplicate that (it 
would be more work to maintain too). What else does it provide that 
SourceForge doesn't?

> What about spam control?

I don't know the answer to that. The only other project that I am a 
developer on and that has a wiki is www.mingw.org but I have never seen spam 
on that wiki.

Luke

From coder_infidel at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  7 07:02:40 2006
From: coder_infidel at hotmail.com (Luke Dunstan)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:02:40 +0800
Subject: [PythonCE] PythonCE Digest, Vol 30, Issue 6
References: <mailman.787.1136581807.27774.pythonce@python.org>
	<d2489e840601061627x5a2d93b9v20972bc38fb47e17@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV5BCA16ECAA21CBD7298338A200@phx.gbl>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Duane Blanchard" <dblanchard at gmail.com>
To: <pythonce at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [PythonCE] PythonCE Digest, Vol 30, Issue 6


> Hi, I've been lurking on the list and playing a little with PythonCE.
> Very cool stuff here. Thanks to all the developers, many thanks. I'm
> not a very talented coder, yet, but am willing to do the footwork of
> getting an SF page for the project. It seems to me that everyone would
> want this. Are there any objections before I go ahead and do it?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Duane


Your offer is welcome, but in order to create the web page you would first 
need to be added as a developer by one of the project administrators. We are 
also discussing whether to host the web page on SourceForge or on Brad 
Clement's web server (which already has an old PythonCE wiki), so stay 
tuned.

By the way, if you reply to a digest then it would be nice if you could edit 
the Subject to be something meaningful and delete the text quoted from the 
digest, except for the parts you are specifically replying to.

Luke

From javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu  Sat Jan  7 08:51:00 2006
From: javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu (javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 02:51:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PythonCE] Message:5 COM access from inside PythonCE
In-Reply-To: <mailman.832.1136609618.27774.pythonce@python.org>
References: <mailman.832.1136609618.27774.pythonce@python.org>
Message-ID: <1735.4.250.102.209.1136620260.squirrel@webmail.eden.rutgers.edu>

Would that allow us to gain enough functionality to allow syncing
appointments and emails without Outlook? Since it is a big issue with
SunBird and other Free Software calendering projects, I think it would be
a big boost to the projects popularity if we can get COM access. I wish I
could contribute something to the project myself, but I don't have much
programming experience or enough aesthetic sense to manage a website. If
anyone has any ideas though...

/**From Digest**/
------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:13:39 -0700
From: Michael Murdock <michaelmurdock at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PythonCE] PythonCE Digest, Vol 30, Issue 5
To: pythonce at python.org
Message-ID:
	<bc98f3670601061413ybe5b731l449cc1185dcf6c06 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Hello,

Thomas Heller wrote:

>>>> I cannot answer these questions, but I'll try to get comtypes working.
>>>> Are there 'interesting' COM objects on a Pocket PC 2003 to experiment
>>>> with?


I would _love_ to get COM access from inside PythonCE because I want to
be able to control Pocket Outlook. Here's an excerpt from an MSDN SDK
Documentation for Windows Mobile-Based Pocket PCs:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/guide_ppc/html/ppc_conpocketoutlookobjectmodel.asp

"Pocket Outlook Object Model

The Pocket Outlook Object Model (POOM) API provides access to Personal
Information Manager (PIM) data on Pocket PCs and Smartphones running
Microsoft Windows Mobile 2000 software and later. The POOM API mirrors
the desktop version of the Outlook Object Model but has a smaller scope of
functionality to accommodate the practical constraints of mobile devices.

The POOM API is a COM-based library that provides programmatic access
to Pocket Outlook data items and their container objects. The POOM API
provides an object-oriented framework for creating, modifying, and displaying
appointment, task, and contact items. It also provides functionality for
manipulating PIM item collections and folders.

Note: The Microsoft Windows Mobile 2003 SDK ships with a code sample,
named "POOMMaster," that uses the POOM API. The default location for the
installed code sample is C:\Program Files\Windows CE Tools\wce420\POCKET
PC 2003\Samples\Win32\Poommaster."

You mentioned comtypes would need to be changed. What else would need to
change to be able to access the POOM interfaces?

Thanks,

~Michael.


------------------------------
/**From Digest**/




From fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk  Sat Jan  7 09:33:50 2006
From: fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk (Fuzzyman)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 08:33:50 +0000
Subject: [PythonCE] PythonCE 1.5.2 for XScale?
In-Reply-To: <op.s2y1dmz1p2c5o9@hector.domek>
References: <op.s2y1dmz1p2c5o9@hector.domek>
Message-ID: <43BF7CEE.2030100@voidspace.org.uk>

Peter Dembinski wrote:

>I know CPython 1.5.2 is deprecated, but does anyone have a PythonCE
>version 1.5.2 compiled for XScale processors?
>
>  
>
If *anyone* could produce this binary, I too would much appreciate it. :-)

I have a Jornada Handheld running windows CE 2.11 (I think) and an ARM
processor.

All the best,

Fuzzyman
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/index.shtml



From steven at quickdry.net  Sat Jan  7 09:37:00 2006
From: steven at quickdry.net (Steven)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 19:37:00 +1100
Subject: [PythonCE] Message:5 COM access from inside PythonCE
References: <mailman.832.1136609618.27774.pythonce@python.org>
	<1735.4.250.102.209.1136620260.squirrel@webmail.eden.rutgers.edu>
Message-ID: <001e01c61365$878f54e0$c24efea9@Latitude>

I'd imagine you could, but if it is only for synchronisation, then the SynCE
project is doing well with their work on the RAPI/Activesync protocol and
getting contacts and the like syncing back and forth with Linux.

Steven

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu>
To: <pythonce at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: [PythonCE] Message:5 COM access from inside PythonCE


> Would that allow us to gain enough functionality to allow syncing
> appointments and emails without Outlook? Since it is a big issue with
> SunBird and other Free Software calendering projects, I think it would be
> a big boost to the projects popularity if we can get COM access. I wish I
> could contribute something to the project myself, but I don't have much
> programming experience or enough aesthetic sense to manage a website. If
> anyone has any ideas though...

From fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk  Sat Jan  7 09:55:56 2006
From: fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk (Fuzzyman)
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 08:55:56 +0000
Subject: [PythonCE] Tkinter in pythonce...
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-DAV14913150A5347CD8BEE6A88A200@phx.gbl>
References: <43BEC4F3.5000905@simov.cl>	<d4c0d4800601061949h36d19895x11492775e3f118f5@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY101-DAV14913150A5347CD8BEE6A88A200@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <43BF821C.4090901@voidspace.org.uk>

Luke Dunstan wrote:

>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Stewart Midwinter" <stewart.midwinter at gmail.com>
>To: "Rodrigo Contreras K?brich" <rc at simov.cl>
>Cc: <pythonce at python.org>
>Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 11:49 AM
>Subject: Re: [PythonCE] Tkinter in pythonce...
>
>
>  
>
>>Rodrigo, no desesperes!
>>
>>Where do you have your python located?
>>
>>You probably need to add some code that tells python where to look for
>>modules. you can do that with:
>>sys.path.append('\\SD Card\\Program Files\\Python\\Lib')
>>sys.path.append('\\SD Card\\Program 
>>Files\\Python\\Lib\\python23.zip\\lib-tk')
>>    
>>
>
>This is not necessary because both of these directories are automatically in 
>sys.path (just as on the desktop version of Python). If this is not the case 
>then it is a bug.
>
>  
>
In that case it's a bug. ;-)

At least I see the same behaviour.

All the best,

Fuzzyman
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/index.shtml
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From brian at ablelinktech.com  Sun Jan  8 22:51:07 2006
From: brian at ablelinktech.com (Brian Brown)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:51:07 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] Tkinter in pythonce...
In-Reply-To: <43BEC4F3.5000905@simov.cl>
References: <43BEC4F3.5000905@simov.cl>
Message-ID: <F6CF5752-5DEA-4DBC-B5FD-90F1D031A38C@ablelinktech.com>

I had the TKinter stuff working and built a couple of apps that  
worked on Pocket PC...

You have to go get the TK for Pocket PC binaries from them and  
install them on the pocket pc, then it all works, assuming your  
sys.path and such is set up correctly


Brian

On Jan 6, 2006, at 12:28 PM, Rodrigo Contreras K?brich wrote:

> Hi.
>
> I installed the CAB file in my PDA.
> The first thing I wanted to test was the GUI capabilities, so I  
> tried to
> run the following code (which compiles nicely in the PC version):
>
> from Tkinter import *
>
> root = Tk()
>
> myContainer1 = Frame(root)  ### (1)
> myContainer1.pack()         ### (2)
>
> root.mainloop()
>
> But pythonce raises an error code: No module named Tkinter.
>
> I noticed that there is a file named '_tkinter.pyd' at the DLLs  
> folder.
> What should I do?
>
> Bye.
> _______________________________________________
> PythonCE mailing list
> PythonCE at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce


From a.g.booth at leeds.ac.uk  Mon Jan  9 12:15:35 2006
From: a.g.booth at leeds.ac.uk (Andrew Booth)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:15:35 -0000
Subject: [PythonCE] PythonCE Digest, Vol 30, Issue 10
In-Reply-To: <mailman.25.1136804407.17739.pythonce@python.org>
Message-ID: <001101c6150e$0324d9f0$6400a8c0@booth1>

Make sure you use the most recent TCL/Tk, otherwise you will get the
'Winhandle map' error I reported a couple of months ago.  You can download
the latest version from:

ftp://ftp.tcl.tk/pub/incoming/tcltk8_4_12_ce-arm.zip

Andrew

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 14:51:07 -0700
From: Brian Brown <brian at ablelinktech.com>
Subject: Re: [PythonCE] Tkinter in pythonce...
To: pythonce at python.org
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I had the TKinter stuff working and built a couple of apps that  
worked on Pocket PC...

You have to go get the TK for Pocket PC binaries from them and  
install them on the pocket pc, then it all works, assuming your  
sys.path and such is set up correctly


Brian

On Jan 6, 2006, at 12:28 PM, Rodrigo Contreras K?brich wrote:

> Hi.
>
> I installed the CAB file in my PDA.
> The first thing I wanted to test was the GUI capabilities, so I  
> tried to
> run the following code (which compiles nicely in the PC version):
>
> from Tkinter import *
>
> root = Tk()
>
> myContainer1 = Frame(root)  ### (1)
> myContainer1.pack()         ### (2)
>
> root.mainloop()
>
> But pythonce raises an error code: No module named Tkinter.
>
> I noticed that there is a file named '_tkinter.pyd' at the DLLs  
> folder.
> What should I do?
>
> Bye.
> _______________________________________________
> PythonCE mailing list
> PythonCE at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce



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From theller at python.net  Mon Jan  9 13:51:31 2006
From: theller at python.net (Thomas Heller)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 13:51:31 +0100
Subject: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?
Message-ID: <mzi51s4s.fsf@python.net>

Does anyone (everyone ?) start the Python interpreter on the device, and
use the stylus to enter interactive commands?
Or does one write scripts on the PC, let ActiveSync transfer them, and
start them by clicking on the filename?

I cannot really believe that.  BTW, when an uncatched exception occurs
in a script, I see a box displaying:

"""
Python Error
============
Traceback (innermost last):
<NULL>: <NULL>
"""

When I close this box (by clicking the OK button in the upper right
corner), I can see (for less than a second) the interpreter window
showing the real traceback, but not long enough to be able to read it.

So, I made a pair of scripts which start a server on the host PC, which
sends commands to a script running on the device, executing them, and
send the results back for display on the PC.  Don't know if it is worth
to post it here...

Thomas



From coder_infidel at hotmail.com  Mon Jan  9 14:14:27 2006
From: coder_infidel at hotmail.com (Luke Dunstan)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:14:27 +0800
Subject: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?
References: <mzi51s4s.fsf@python.net>
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV16F21E42C1799E7A9F38588A220@phx.gbl>


I sometimes use interactive commands, but usually through a program called 
ActiveSync Remote Display which is like Remote Desktop. Other times I do 
double-click on scripts, and it is possible (but inconvenient) to see the 
error messages by switching to the Python window. I have been planning on 
creating some tools to help this process but maybe you've already done that?

Your script would be appreciated.

Luke

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Heller" <theller at python.net>
To: <pythonce at python.org>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 8:51 PM
Subject: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?


> Does anyone (everyone ?) start the Python interpreter on the device, and
> use the stylus to enter interactive commands?
> Or does one write scripts on the PC, let ActiveSync transfer them, and
> start them by clicking on the filename?
>
> I cannot really believe that.  BTW, when an uncatched exception occurs
> in a script, I see a box displaying:
>
> """
> Python Error
> ============
> Traceback (innermost last):
> <NULL>: <NULL>
> """
>
> When I close this box (by clicking the OK button in the upper right
> corner), I can see (for less than a second) the interpreter window
> showing the real traceback, but not long enough to be able to read it.
>
> So, I made a pair of scripts which start a server on the host PC, which
> sends commands to a script running on the device, executing them, and
> send the results back for display on the PC.  Don't know if it is worth
> to post it here...
>
> Thomas

From fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk  Mon Jan  9 14:30:23 2006
From: fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk (Fuzzyman)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 13:30:23 +0000
Subject: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?
In-Reply-To: <mzi51s4s.fsf@python.net>
References: <mzi51s4s.fsf@python.net>
Message-ID: <43C2656F.6060908@voidspace.org.uk>

Thomas Heller wrote:

>Does anyone (everyone ?) start the Python interpreter on the device, and
>use the stylus to enter interactive commands?
>Or does one write scripts on the PC, let ActiveSync transfer them, and
>start them by clicking on the filename?
>
>I cannot really believe that.  BTW, when an uncatched exception occurs
>in a script, I see a box displaying:
>
>  
>
I personally tend to end up writing code *on the pocketpc* (usually when
I'm on the move somewhere, or in a  waiting room) - rather than for the
pocketpc. Because of this I usually use pocket notepad. Probably *not*
the best person to answer your question...

>"""
>Python Error
>============
>Traceback (innermost last):
><NULL>: <NULL>
>"""
>
>  
>
If you flick between other active tasks, you'll see the real traceback
in another window. (You'll need a task manager to do this).

I often use this to display output - print stuff to the screen and then
throw an error so that the :

	"<NULL>: <NULL>"

window hangs round for me to see the output in the other window...

All the best,

Fuzzyman
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/index.shtml

>When I close this box (by clicking the OK button in the upper right
>corner), I can see (for less than a second) the interpreter window
>showing the real traceback, but not long enough to be able to read it.
>
>So, I made a pair of scripts which start a server on the host PC, which
>sends commands to a script running on the device, executing them, and
>send the results back for display on the PC.  Don't know if it is worth
>to post it here...
>
>Thomas
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>PythonCE mailing list
>PythonCE at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
>
>  
>


From theller at python.net  Mon Jan  9 14:52:32 2006
From: theller at python.net (Thomas Heller)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:52:32 +0100
Subject: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-DAV16F21E42C1799E7A9F38588A220@phx.gbl> (Luke Dunstan's
	message of "Mon, 9 Jan 2006 21:14:27 +0800")
References: <mzi51s4s.fsf@python.net>
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From coder_infidel at hotmail.com  Mon Jan  9 15:09:54 2006
From: coder_infidel at hotmail.com (Luke Dunstan)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 22:09:54 +0800
Subject: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?
References: <mzi51s4s.fsf@python.net>
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV48904F59DA988B92B63AC8A220@phx.gbl>


I'm sorry to say that I've seen the NULL bug before but have been too 
distracted by the task at hand to fix it, but here is a patch that fixes it.

By the way, I've recently tried running the remote part of "winpdb" 
(http://www.digitalpeers.com/pythondebugger/) on Windows CE and connecting 
to it over TCP/IP from the GUI running on the PC, and after a trivial change 
(to handle a lack of PATH environment variable) it worked fine. Personally I 
would rather have the ability to communicate to the remote debugger using 
ActiveSync rather than only TCP/IP because it is more convenient especially 
since I only have Bluetooth not WiFi, so I have been investigating using the 
Remote API (RAPI).

Luke

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Heller" <theller at python.net>
To: <pythonce at python.org>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 8:51 PM
Subject: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?


> Does anyone (everyone ?) start the Python interpreter on the device, and
> use the stylus to enter interactive commands?
> Or does one write scripts on the PC, let ActiveSync transfer them, and
> start them by clicking on the filename?
>
> I cannot really believe that.  BTW, when an uncatched exception occurs
> in a script, I see a box displaying:
>
> """
> Python Error
> ============
> Traceback (innermost last):
> <NULL>: <NULL>
> """
>
> When I close this box (by clicking the OK button in the upper right
> corner), I can see (for less than a second) the interpreter window
> showing the real traceback, but not long enough to be able to read it.
>
> So, I made a pair of scripts which start a server on the host PC, which
> sends commands to a script running on the device, executing them, and
> send the results back for display on the PC.  Don't know if it is worth
> to post it here...
>
> Thomas
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From theller at python.net  Mon Jan  9 15:42:24 2006
From: theller at python.net (Thomas Heller)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 15:42:24 +0100
Subject: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?
References: <mzi51s4s.fsf@python.net>
	<BAY101-DAV48904F59DA988B92B63AC8A220@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <fynxzcmn.fsf@python.net>

"Luke Dunstan" <coder_infidel at hotmail.com> writes:

> I'm sorry to say that I've seen the NULL bug before but have been too
> distracted by the task at hand to fix it, but here is a patch that
> fixes it.
>
> By the way, I've recently tried running the remote part of "winpdb"
> (http://www.digitalpeers.com/pythondebugger/) on Windows CE and
> connecting to it over TCP/IP from the GUI running on the PC, and after
> a trivial change (to handle a lack of PATH environment variable) it
> worked fine. Personally I would rather have the ability to communicate
> to the remote debugger using ActiveSync rather than only TCP/IP
> because it is more convenient especially since I only have Bluetooth
> not WiFi, so I have been investigating using the Remote API (RAPI).

In case you are talking about the scripts I posted: Although the client
and server connect via TCP/IP, the only connection between the pockect
PC and the desktop computer I have is the cradle with an USB cable, plus
activesync (3.8, IIRC) running.  It seems activesync emulates internet
connection on the pocket pc.

Thomas


From coder_infidel at hotmail.com  Mon Jan  9 17:00:16 2006
From: coder_infidel at hotmail.com (Luke Dunstan)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 00:00:16 +0800
Subject: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?
References: <mzi51s4s.fsf@python.net><BAY101-DAV48904F59DA988B92B63AC8A220@phx.gbl>
	<fynxzcmn.fsf@python.net>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Heller" <theller at python.net>
To: <pythonce at python.org>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?


> "Luke Dunstan" <coder_infidel at hotmail.com> writes:
>
>> I'm sorry to say that I've seen the NULL bug before but have been too
>> distracted by the task at hand to fix it, but here is a patch that
>> fixes it.
>>
>> By the way, I've recently tried running the remote part of "winpdb"
>> (http://www.digitalpeers.com/pythondebugger/) on Windows CE and
>> connecting to it over TCP/IP from the GUI running on the PC, and after
>> a trivial change (to handle a lack of PATH environment variable) it
>> worked fine. Personally I would rather have the ability to communicate
>> to the remote debugger using ActiveSync rather than only TCP/IP
>> because it is more convenient especially since I only have Bluetooth
>> not WiFi, so I have been investigating using the Remote API (RAPI).
>
> In case you are talking about the scripts I posted: Although the client
> and server connect via TCP/IP, the only connection between the pockect
> PC and the desktop computer I have is the cradle with an USB cable, plus
> activesync (3.8, IIRC) running.  It seems activesync emulates internet
> connection on the pocket pc.
>
> Thomas

I have noticed that IE works on the PDA when cradled, but I know that 
ActiveSync is not providing a real network adapter on the PC side because an 
extra IP does not appear in the output of 'ipconfig'. This prevents running 
TCP listen servers on the PDA but it is true that your method works nicely 
in this case. As a demonstration of how we could make it even more 
convenient, I have modified it slightly so that the server starts the client 
script on the PDA remotely, using RAPI via ctypes. I have put the 
experimental RAPI interfacing code in a separate module "wincerapi".

We should probably consider putting all these scripts in CVS somewhere.

Luke
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From brian at ablelinktech.com  Mon Jan  9 18:04:55 2006
From: brian at ablelinktech.com (Brian Brown)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 10:04:55 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?
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We have wrapped a bunch of RAPI in ctypes, and will be releasing it  
in the next week or so to the PocketPC project.

We can read and write files, create processes, enumerate storage and  
directories, etc. It's a great starting place for anything else as  
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On Jan 9, 2006, at 9:00 AM, Luke Dunstan wrote:

>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Heller"  
> <theller at python.net>
> To: <pythonce at python.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?
>
>
>> "Luke Dunstan" <coder_infidel at hotmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> I'm sorry to say that I've seen the NULL bug before but have been  
>>> too
>>> distracted by the task at hand to fix it, but here is a patch that
>>> fixes it.
>>>
>>> By the way, I've recently tried running the remote part of "winpdb"
>>> (http://www.digitalpeers.com/pythondebugger/) on Windows CE and
>>> connecting to it over TCP/IP from the GUI running on the PC, and  
>>> after
>>> a trivial change (to handle a lack of PATH environment variable) it
>>> worked fine. Personally I would rather have the ability to  
>>> communicate
>>> to the remote debugger using ActiveSync rather than only TCP/IP
>>> because it is more convenient especially since I only have Bluetooth
>>> not WiFi, so I have been investigating using the Remote API (RAPI).
>>
>> In case you are talking about the scripts I posted: Although the  
>> client
>> and server connect via TCP/IP, the only connection between the  
>> pockect
>> PC and the desktop computer I have is the cradle with an USB  
>> cable, plus
>> activesync (3.8, IIRC) running.  It seems activesync emulates  
>> internet
>> connection on the pocket pc.
>>
>> Thomas
>
> I have noticed that IE works on the PDA when cradled, but I know  
> that ActiveSync is not providing a real network adapter on the PC  
> side because an extra IP does not appear in the output of  
> 'ipconfig'. This prevents running TCP listen servers on the PDA but  
> it is true that your method works nicely in this case. As a  
> demonstration of how we could make it even more convenient, I have  
> modified it slightly so that the server starts the client script on  
> the PDA remotely, using RAPI via ctypes. I have put the  
> experimental RAPI interfacing code in a separate module "wincerapi".
>
> We should probably consider putting all these scripts in CVS  
> somewhere.
>
> Luke
> <pyceserver.py>
> <wincerapi.py>
> _______________________________________________
> PythonCE mailing list
> PythonCE at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce


From theller at python.net  Mon Jan  9 19:47:26 2006
From: theller at python.net (Thomas Heller)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 19:47:26 +0100
Subject: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?
References: <mzi51s4s.fsf@python.net>
	<BAY101-DAV48904F59DA988B92B63AC8A220@phx.gbl>
	<fynxzcmn.fsf@python.net>
	<BAY101-DAV35206E35C64CC616DA6968A220@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <ek3hw85d.fsf@python.net>

"Luke Dunstan" <coder_infidel at hotmail.com> writes:
> From: "Thomas Heller" <theller at python.net>
>> "Luke Dunstan" <coder_infidel at hotmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> By the way, I've recently tried running the remote part of "winpdb"
>>> (http://www.digitalpeers.com/pythondebugger/) on Windows CE and
>>> connecting to it over TCP/IP from the GUI running on the PC, and after
>>> a trivial change (to handle a lack of PATH environment variable) it
>>> worked fine. Personally I would rather have the ability to communicate
>>> to the remote debugger using ActiveSync rather than only TCP/IP
>>> because it is more convenient especially since I only have Bluetooth
>>> not WiFi, so I have been investigating using the Remote API (RAPI).
>>
>> In case you are talking about the scripts I posted: Although the client
>> and server connect via TCP/IP, the only connection between the pockect
>> PC and the desktop computer I have is the cradle with an USB cable, plus
>> activesync (3.8, IIRC) running.  It seems activesync emulates internet
>> connection on the pocket pc.

> I have noticed that IE works on the PDA when cradled, but I know that
> ActiveSync is not providing a real network adapter on the PC side
> because an extra IP does not appear in the output of 'ipconfig'. This
> prevents running TCP listen servers on the PDA but it is true that
> your method works nicely in this case. As a demonstration of how we
> could make it even more convenient, I have modified it slightly so
> that the server starts the client script on the PDA remotely, using
> RAPI via ctypes. I have put the experimental RAPI interfacing code in
> a separate module "wincerapi".

I have done something very similar in the meantime, and this is getting
very cool.

> We should probably consider putting all these scripts in CVS somewhere.

And we should probably use the pocketRapi module that Brian Brown
posted.

There are important things missing, IMO: the ability to interrupt
running code with ^C, and to terminate the session with typing ^Z.
Unfortunately, I have not even be able to distinguish ^C from ^Z in the
get_input() function.  It seems that both raise an EOFError in the
thread that get_input() runs.  Maybe we cannot use raw_input, and have
to write our own function for that...

Thomas


From coder_infidel at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 10 09:59:11 2006
From: coder_infidel at hotmail.com ( Luke Dunstan)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:59:11 +0800
Subject: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?
References: <mzi51s4s.fsf@python.net><BAY101-DAV48904F59DA988B92B63AC8A220@phx.gbl><fynxzcmn.fsf@python.net><BAY101-DAV35206E35C64CC616DA6968A220@phx.gbl>
	<ek3hw85d.fsf@python.net>
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV8F16F301E624F4B6B66B18A250@phx.gbl>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Heller" <theller at python.net>
To: <pythonce at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 2:47 AM
Subject: Re: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?


> "Luke Dunstan" <coder_infidel at hotmail.com> writes:
>> We should probably consider putting all these scripts in CVS somewhere.
>
> And we should probably use the pocketRapi module that Brian Brown
> posted.

I am interested to know why you prefer it. I can think of the following 
advantages:

- It initialises RAPI the first time you try to use it, and remembers this.
- It includes more file I/O functions.

I'm sure it is good for some purposes, but I can also think of some possible 
disadvantages:

- The functions are in a class instead of a module. This means that you 
could create multiple instances of the class, which doesn't make sense.
- The name "pocketRapi" implies Pocket PC only but RAPI really applies to 
Windows CE in general.
- It requires win32file.
- The file I/O functions do not follow the pattern of Python file objects.
- It doesn't include the last error codes in exceptions raised.
- It doesn't use "argtypes" or "restype". I don't know if this makes it 
faster?
- Redistributions in "binary form" must reproduce the copyright notice.

Luke

> There are important things missing, IMO: the ability to interrupt
> running code with ^C, and to terminate the session with typing ^Z.
> Unfortunately, I have not even be able to distinguish ^C from ^Z in the
> get_input() function.  It seems that both raise an EOFError in the
> thread that get_input() runs.  Maybe we cannot use raw_input, and have
> to write our own function for that...
>
> Thomas
>
> _______________________________________________
> PythonCE mailing list
> PythonCE at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce
> 

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Tue Jan 10 11:07:43 2006
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 21:07:43 +1100
Subject: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-DAV8F16F301E624F4B6B66B18A250@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <DAELJHBGPBHPJKEBGGLNAEFFJLAD.mhammond@skippinet.com.au>

There is also a languishing wincerapi module in the pywin32 source code.  Is
that of use to anyone?

Mark.

> > "Luke Dunstan" <coder_infidel at hotmail.com> writes:
> >> We should probably consider putting all these scripts in CVS somewhere.
> >
> > And we should probably use the pocketRapi module that Brian Brown
> > posted.
>
> I am interested to know why you prefer it. I can think of the following
> advantages:
>
> - It initialises RAPI the first time you try to use it, and
> remembers this.
> - It includes more file I/O functions.
>
> I'm sure it is good for some purposes, but I can also think of
> some possible
> disadvantages:
>
> - The functions are in a class instead of a module. This means that you
> could create multiple instances of the class, which doesn't make sense.
> - The name "pocketRapi" implies Pocket PC only but RAPI really applies to
> Windows CE in general.
> - It requires win32file.
> - The file I/O functions do not follow the pattern of Python file objects.
> - It doesn't include the last error codes in exceptions raised.
> - It doesn't use "argtypes" or "restype". I don't know if this makes it
> faster?
> - Redistributions in "binary form" must reproduce the copyright notice.
>
> Luke
>
> > There are important things missing, IMO: the ability to interrupt
> > running code with ^C, and to terminate the session with typing ^Z.
> > Unfortunately, I have not even be able to distinguish ^C from ^Z in the
> > get_input() function.  It seems that both raise an EOFError in the
> > thread that get_input() runs.  Maybe we cannot use raw_input, and have
> > to write our own function for that...


From coder_infidel at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 10 12:49:07 2006
From: coder_infidel at hotmail.com (Luke Dunstan)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:49:07 +0800
Subject: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?
References: <DAELJHBGPBHPJKEBGGLNAEFFJLAD.mhammond@skippinet.com.au>
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV9441CFF481CD85036A10E8A250@phx.gbl>


It could be of use but personally I would prefer to use ctypes because I 
find it much faster and easier to develop the module in Python than 
C/C++/SWIG, and for users of the module it is easier to read the Python code 
to understand how it works. Thanks also for the reminder that the name 
"wincerapi" is already taken.

Luke

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Hammond" <mhammond at skippinet.com.au>
To: " Luke Dunstan" <coder_infidel at hotmail.com>; <pythonce at python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 6:07 PM
Subject: RE: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?


> There is also a languishing wincerapi module in the pywin32 source code. 
> Is
> that of use to anyone?
>
> Mark.
>
>> > "Luke Dunstan" <coder_infidel at hotmail.com> writes:
>> >> We should probably consider putting all these scripts in CVS 
>> >> somewhere.
>> >
>> > And we should probably use the pocketRapi module that Brian Brown
>> > posted.
>>
>> I am interested to know why you prefer it. I can think of the following
>> advantages:
>>
>> - It initialises RAPI the first time you try to use it, and
>> remembers this.
>> - It includes more file I/O functions.
>>
>> I'm sure it is good for some purposes, but I can also think of
>> some possible
>> disadvantages:
>>
>> - The functions are in a class instead of a module. This means that you
>> could create multiple instances of the class, which doesn't make sense.
>> - The name "pocketRapi" implies Pocket PC only but RAPI really applies to
>> Windows CE in general.
>> - It requires win32file.
>> - The file I/O functions do not follow the pattern of Python file 
>> objects.
>> - It doesn't include the last error codes in exceptions raised.
>> - It doesn't use "argtypes" or "restype". I don't know if this makes it
>> faster?
>> - Redistributions in "binary form" must reproduce the copyright notice.
>>
>> Luke
>>
>> > There are important things missing, IMO: the ability to interrupt
>> > running code with ^C, and to terminate the session with typing ^Z.
>> > Unfortunately, I have not even be able to distinguish ^C from ^Z in the
>> > get_input() function.  It seems that both raise an EOFError in the
>> > thread that get_input() runs.  Maybe we cannot use raw_input, and have
>> > to write our own function for that...
>
> 

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Tue Jan 10 13:15:58 2006
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 23:15:58 +1100
Subject: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-DAV9441CFF481CD85036A10E8A250@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <DAELJHBGPBHPJKEBGGLNCEGBJLAD.mhammond@skippinet.com.au>

> It could be of use but personally I would prefer to use ctypes because I
> find it much faster and easier to develop the module in Python than
> C/C++/SWIG, and for users of the module it is easier to read the
> Python code
> to understand how it works. Thanks also for the reminder that the name
> "wincerapi" is already taken.

By all means, feel free to reuse the name and declare the code in pywin32
obsolete!   Its been a few years since I've had the CE tools, and hence I
suspect since wincerapi has been built or used.  I'd be just as happy to
have it in the CVS attic as have it in a perpetual limbo (kind of like a
bit-part character in a B-Grade movie :)

I'm certainly inclined to agree about ctypes being preferable to SWIG, and
as Thomas and I have vaguely and briefly discussed, I'm always open to that
being an option for pywin32 itself.

Cheers,

Mark


From theller at python.net  Tue Jan 10 19:22:52 2006
From: theller at python.net (Thomas Heller)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 19:22:52 +0100
Subject: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?
References: <mzi51s4s.fsf@python.net>
	<BAY101-DAV48904F59DA988B92B63AC8A220@phx.gbl>
	<fynxzcmn.fsf@python.net>
	<BAY101-DAV35206E35C64CC616DA6968A220@phx.gbl>
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	<BAY101-DAV8F16F301E624F4B6B66B18A250@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <7j9854eb.fsf@python.net>

" Luke Dunstan" <coder_infidel at hotmail.com> writes:
> From: "Thomas Heller" <theller at python.net>
>> "Luke Dunstan" <coder_infidel at hotmail.com> writes:
>>> We should probably consider putting all these scripts in CVS somewhere.
>>
>> And we should probably use the pocketRapi module that Brian Brown
>> posted.
>
> I am interested to know why you prefer it. I can think of the following 
> advantages:
>
> - It initialises RAPI the first time you try to use it, and remembers this.
> - It includes more file I/O functions.
>
> I'm sure it is good for some purposes, but I can also think of some possible 
> disadvantages:
>
> - The functions are in a class instead of a module. This means that you 
> could create multiple instances of the class, which doesn't make sense.
> - The name "pocketRapi" implies Pocket PC only but RAPI really applies to 
> Windows CE in general.
> - It requires win32file.
> - The file I/O functions do not follow the pattern of Python file objects.
> - It doesn't include the last error codes in exceptions raised.
> - It doesn't use "argtypes" or "restype". I don't know if this makes it 
> faster?
> - Redistributions in "binary form" must reproduce the copyright notice.

I must say I didn't look at the module, but assumed that it wrapped a
large amount of the rapi functions, so I wanted to avoid reinventing
this particular wheel.  Same for the license, I didn't look at it.

If I were to commit these scripts somewhere, and add a ctypes-based rapi
module, I would most certainly like to take responsibility for the rapi
code anyway.  Hopefully that would be a good thing, but in the version
that I have there are only a couple of lines like this:

ctypes.oledll.rapi.CeRapiInit()
res = ctypes.windll.rapi.CeCreateProcess(unicode(REMOTE_EXE),
                                         unicode(REMOTE_CLIENT),
                                         None, None,
                                         False, 0, None, None,
                                         None, None)
if res == 0:
    raise ctypes.WinError(ctypes.windll.rapi.CeRapiGetError() or \
                          ctypes.windll.rapi.CeGetLastError())
[...]
try:
    [....]
finally:
    ctypes.oledll.rapi.CeRapiUninit()

Not very reusable.

To answer your question about 'argtypes' and 'restypes':
Not setting argtypes may gain a little bt of speed, but the big
advantage of using 'argtypes' would be the auto-string/unicode
conversion that ctypes does (which is also missing in my own code).

Sorry,

Thomas


From shane.holloway at ieee.org  Tue Jan 10 19:07:54 2006
From: shane.holloway at ieee.org (Shane Holloway (IEEE))
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:07:54 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-DAV8F16F301E624F4B6B66B18A250@phx.gbl>
References: <mzi51s4s.fsf@python.net><BAY101-DAV48904F59DA988B92B63AC8A220@phx.gbl><fynxzcmn.fsf@python.net><BAY101-DAV35206E35C64CC616DA6968A220@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <E777ABF1-F8AB-42D0-B34B-B2152422B1D8@ieee.org>


On Jan 10, 2006, at 01:59, Luke Dunstan wrote:
> I am interested to know why you prefer it. I can think of the  
> following
> advantages:
>
> - It initialises RAPI the first time you try to use it, and  
> remembers this.
> - It includes more file I/O functions.
>
> I'm sure it is good for some purposes, but I can also think of some  
> possible
> disadvantages:
>
> - The functions are in a class instead of a module. This means that  
> you
> could create multiple instances of the class, which doesn't make  
> sense.

Sure it does -- this is the way we use it around here.  (I work with  
Brian, and write many of the ctypes style wrappers for our  
libraries.)  We make multiple instances, and it works just fine.  I  
believe RAPI tracks the number of times you init/uninit if I recall  
correctly.

> - The name "pocketRapi" implies Pocket PC only but RAPI really  
> applies to
> Windows CE in general.

True, but a name can be easily changed.  All the devices we work with  
are Pocket PCs, and it started as an internal module for our projects.

> - It requires win32file.

Just constants from win32file.  We can easily eliminate that dependency.

> - The file I/O functions do not follow the pattern of Python file  
> objects.

True, and I'd love to see that implemented as well.  I was in a rush  
to get something working, but we can modify this to make it work like  
normal.  An alternative in the meantime is to use StringIO instances  
and pass those to copy file.  Not quite as good, but functional.  I  
was thinking this while I was writing, but I was challenged to get  
something functional out so we could finish the client app.  ;)

> - It doesn't include the last error codes in exceptions raised.

We could add that.  We used the ctypes errcheck protocol when we  
wrapped OpenAL, and it worked wonderfully.  We also wrapped the  
entire header file natively using the gccxml tools, and then created  
a OO wrapper on top of it.  This allows us to have both a module- 
level wrapper, and an OO style wrapper.

> - It doesn't use "argtypes" or "restype". I don't know if this  
> makes it
> faster?

It worked without them...  Doesn't bother me, and saved me the time  
in looking up the prototypes.  More of a developer time  
optimization.  ;)  You'd have to ask Thomas about speed implications  
of argtypes and restypes though.

> - Redistributions in "binary form" must reproduce the copyright  
> notice.

That's pretty much the standard BSD style license -- ctypes MIT  
license is very similar, as well as pywin32's license...  At least  
it's not GPL.  ;)
http://opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.php


Hopefully this gives us all good starting point for RAPI use.  A  
refactor would be useful -- especially after trying some of Thomas'  
new tools like errcheck and gccxml.  But for the mean time, I'll have  
to wait on it.  Too many projects on the plate to revisit it now.

Thanks,
-Shane Holloway & Brian Brown
TechGame Networks


From theller at python.net  Wed Jan 11 08:42:12 2006
From: theller at python.net (Thomas Heller)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 08:42:12 +0100
Subject: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?
References: <mzi51s4s.fsf@python.net>
	<BAY101-DAV48904F59DA988B92B63AC8A220@phx.gbl>
	<fynxzcmn.fsf@python.net>
	<BAY101-DAV35206E35C64CC616DA6968A220@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <bqyjrz1n.fsf@python.net>

"Luke Dunstan" <coder_infidel at hotmail.com> writes:

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Thomas Heller" <theller at python.net>
> To: <pythonce at python.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?
>
>
>> "Luke Dunstan" <coder_infidel at hotmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> I'm sorry to say that I've seen the NULL bug before but have been too
>>> distracted by the task at hand to fix it, but here is a patch that
>>> fixes it.
>>>
>>> By the way, I've recently tried running the remote part of "winpdb"
>>> (http://www.digitalpeers.com/pythondebugger/) on Windows CE and
>>> connecting to it over TCP/IP from the GUI running on the PC, and after
>>> a trivial change (to handle a lack of PATH environment variable) it
>>> worked fine. Personally I would rather have the ability to communicate
>>> to the remote debugger using ActiveSync rather than only TCP/IP
>>> because it is more convenient especially since I only have Bluetooth
>>> not WiFi, so I have been investigating using the Remote API (RAPI).
>>
>> In case you are talking about the scripts I posted: Although the client
>> and server connect via TCP/IP, the only connection between the pockect
>> PC and the desktop computer I have is the cradle with an USB cable, plus
>> activesync (3.8, IIRC) running.  It seems activesync emulates internet
>> connection on the pocket pc.
>>
>> Thomas
>
> I have noticed that IE works on the PDA when cradled, but I know that
> ActiveSync is not providing a real network adapter on the PC side
> because an extra IP does not appear in the output of 'ipconfig'. This
> prevents running TCP listen servers on the PDA but it is true that
> your method works nicely in this case.

Luke, 

Do you know of any other way except TCP/IP to establish a two-way
communication between the desktop and the PDA?

Thomas


From coder_infidel at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 11 13:38:11 2006
From: coder_infidel at hotmail.com (Luke Dunstan)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:38:11 +0800
Subject: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?
References: <mzi51s4s.fsf@python.net><BAY101-DAV48904F59DA988B92B63AC8A220@phx.gbl><fynxzcmn.fsf@python.net><BAY101-DAV35206E35C64CC616DA6968A220@phx.gbl>
	<bqyjrz1n.fsf@python.net>
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV5F15BBA2C01BF161547198A240@phx.gbl>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Heller" <theller at python.net>
To: <pythonce at python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?


> "Luke Dunstan" <coder_infidel at hotmail.com> writes:
>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Thomas Heller" <theller at python.net>
>> To: <pythonce at python.org>
>> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?
>>
>> I have noticed that IE works on the PDA when cradled, but I know that
>> ActiveSync is not providing a real network adapter on the PC side
>> because an extra IP does not appear in the output of 'ipconfig'. This
>> prevents running TCP listen servers on the PDA but it is true that
>> your method works nicely in this case.
>
> Luke,
>
> Do you know of any other way except TCP/IP to establish a two-way
> communication between the desktop and the PDA?
>
> Thomas

One way I know is using the CeRapiInvoke() API, which is a kind of remote 
procedure call:

STDAPI_( HRESULT ) CeRapiInvoke(
  LPCWSTR pDllPath,
  LPCWSTR pFunctionName,
  DWORD cbInput,
  BYTE * pInput,
  DWORD * pcbOutput,
  BYTE ** ppOutput,
  IRAPIStream ** ppIRAPIStream,
  DWORD dwReserved
);

You can specify a DLL and function name and the device-side part of RAPI 
will load the DLL and call the function, but it must have the following 
prototype (see also wincerapi.py):

typedef HRESULT (STDAPICALLTYPE RAPIEXT)(
  DWORD cbInput,
  BYTE * pInput,
  DWORD * pcbOutput,
  BYTE ** ppOutput,
  IRAPIStream * pIRAPIStream
);

In block mode (ppIRAPIStream == NULL) you can simply pass a block of data in 
each direction. The interesting part is that if you pass a pointer then you 
will receive a IRAPIStream* that allows the device and PC to communicate in 
both directions similar to a socket.

I have tested this in one direction only using the CeInvoke sample from the 
Pocket PC 2003 SDK, and I also tested replacing the desktop-side program 
with a Python script. However, so far this API does not seem robust; for 
example if the device-side DLL releases the stream then IRAPIStream::Read() 
seems to block forever in the desktop program. The CeInvoke sample handles 
this by sending a command over the stream to let the desktop know that it 
has finished, but to my mind it is a hack because it would be like sending a 
disconnect command over a TCP socket and relying on that to shut down the 
other end. The function IRAPIStream::SetRapiStat can supposedly set a 
timeout for Read() but so far I can't get it to work. There is a two-way 
stream sample in an MSDN KB article that I have yet to try.

For creating development tools there is also the possibility of using the 
Platform Manager APIs, which are installed and used by eMbedded Visual C++ 
to communicate with the remote debugger, among other things. Platform 
Manager supports multiple "transports" including TCP/IP and ActiveSync and 
you can even create your own transport. I haven't actually tried using it 
yet though :-).

Luke

From litorina66 at tiscali.dk  Wed Jan 11 16:51:16 2006
From: litorina66 at tiscali.dk (J. Nielsen)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:51:16 +0100
Subject: [PythonCE] TKinter for iPAQ
Message-ID: <003d01c616c6$dbc2f300$ac02a8c0@Johnny>

Hi,

Does anybody around know how to colorise a line on the PDA display?
I run Python  with tcl8.4.3 and on a canvas (w) object created a line with:

w.create_line(w, startpoint,endpoint,width=1)

w.configure(....,fill='red')

This strip is working fine making a single red line. But if I change width to 2 or more the line draws thicker allright,
but the red color disappears and the line is all black.

Can anyone explain how to make the thicker line a color other than black??

Thanks

Johnny
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From theller at python.net  Wed Jan 11 17:19:07 2006
From: theller at python.net (Thomas Heller)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:19:07 +0100
Subject: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-DAV5F15BBA2C01BF161547198A240@phx.gbl> (Luke Dunstan's
	message of "Wed, 11 Jan 2006 20:38:11 +0800")
References: <mzi51s4s.fsf@python.net>
	<BAY101-DAV48904F59DA988B92B63AC8A220@phx.gbl>
	<fynxzcmn.fsf@python.net>
	<BAY101-DAV35206E35C64CC616DA6968A220@phx.gbl>
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	<BAY101-DAV5F15BBA2C01BF161547198A240@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <vewqu490.fsf@python.net>

"Luke Dunstan" <coder_infidel at hotmail.com> writes:

>>> From: "Thomas Heller" <theller at python.net>
>>
>> Do you know of any other way except TCP/IP to establish a two-way
>> communication between the desktop and the PDA?
>>
> One way I know is using the CeRapiInvoke() API, which is a kind of remote 
> procedure call:
>
> STDAPI_( HRESULT ) CeRapiInvoke(
>   LPCWSTR pDllPath,
>   LPCWSTR pFunctionName,
>   DWORD cbInput,
>   BYTE * pInput,
>   DWORD * pcbOutput,
>   BYTE ** ppOutput,
>   IRAPIStream ** ppIRAPIStream,
>   DWORD dwReserved
> );
>
> You can specify a DLL and function name and the device-side part of RAPI 
> will load the DLL and call the function, but it must have the following 
> prototype (see also wincerapi.py):
>
> typedef HRESULT (STDAPICALLTYPE RAPIEXT)(
>   DWORD cbInput,
>   BYTE * pInput,
>   DWORD * pcbOutput,
>   BYTE ** ppOutput,
>   IRAPIStream * pIRAPIStream
> );
>
> In block mode (ppIRAPIStream == NULL) you can simply pass a block of data in 
> each direction. The interesting part is that if you pass a pointer then you 
> will receive a IRAPIStream* that allows the device and PC to communicate in 
> both directions similar to a socket.
>
> I have tested this in one direction only using the CeInvoke sample from the 
> Pocket PC 2003 SDK, and I also tested replacing the desktop-side program 
> with a Python script. However, so far this API does not seem robust; for 
> example if the device-side DLL releases the stream then IRAPIStream::Read() 
> seems to block forever in the desktop program. The CeInvoke sample handles 
> this by sending a command over the stream to let the desktop know that it 
> has finished, but to my mind it is a hack because it would be like sending a 
> disconnect command over a TCP socket and relying on that to shut down the 
> other end. The function IRAPIStream::SetRapiStat can supposedly set a 
> timeout for Read() but so far I can't get it to work. There is a two-way 
> stream sample in an MSDN KB article that I have yet to try.
>
> For creating development tools there is also the possibility of using the 
> Platform Manager APIs, which are installed and used by eMbedded Visual C++ 
> to communicate with the remote debugger, among other things. Platform 
> Manager supports multiple "transports" including TCP/IP and ActiveSync and 
> you can even create your own transport. I haven't actually tried using it 
> yet though :-).

This is useful info, I'm sure I need it when I have time;-)

Thanks,

Thomas



From bkc at murkworks.com  Thu Jan 12 00:38:48 2006
From: bkc at murkworks.com (Brad Clements)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:38:48 -0500
Subject: [PythonCE] rudimentary pythonce home page setup
Message-ID: <43C550B8.13333.2AA0F885@bkc.murkworks.com>

http://pythonce.sourceforge.net/

checked into cvs as web module.

I am planning on migrating the existing pythonce wiki to moinmoin, unless 
someone has a better idea?

Note that moinmoin folks so "don't bother to host on sf, too slow", so I'll put the 
new wiki at murkworks.com

I'm not sure what content to put on the pythonce home page, so it's spartan.




-- 
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http://www.murkworks.com                          
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From brian at ablelinktech.com  Thu Jan 12 00:43:04 2006
From: brian at ablelinktech.com (Brian Brown)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:43:04 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] rudimentary pythonce home page setup
In-Reply-To: <43C550B8.13333.2AA0F885@bkc.murkworks.com>
References: <43C550B8.13333.2AA0F885@bkc.murkworks.com>
Message-ID: <EE58C293-EED4-4CF0-B51A-40872E7CCDC1@ablelinktech.com>

We are also willing to host it on a trac site, like http:// 
www.techgame.net/projects/framework

if you want.... we have svn set up as well.

Brian


On Jan 11, 2006, at 4:38 PM, Brad Clements wrote:

> http://pythonce.sourceforge.net/
>
> checked into cvs as web module.
>
> I am planning on migrating the existing pythonce wiki to moinmoin,  
> unless someone has a better idea?
>
> Note that moinmoin folks so "don't bother to host on sf, too slow",  
> so I'll put the new wiki at murkworks.com
>
> I'm not sure what content to put on the pythonce home page, so it's  
> spartan.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Brad Clements,                bkc at murkworks.com    (315)268-1000
> http://www.murkworks.com
> AOL-IM or SKYPE: BKClements
>
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From coder_infidel at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 12 13:32:22 2006
From: coder_infidel at hotmail.com (Luke Dunstan)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:32:22 +0800
Subject: [PythonCE] rudimentary pythonce home page setup
References: <43C550B8.13333.2AA0F885@bkc.murkworks.com>
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV11B208B4E499926C0EBDC48A270@phx.gbl>


Thanks. Looking forward to the new wiki...

Luke

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Brad Clements 
  To: pythonce at python.org 
  Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 7:38 AM
  Subject: [PythonCE] rudimentary pythonce home page setup


  http://pythonce.sourceforge.net/


  checked into cvs as web module.


  I am planning on migrating the existing pythonce wiki to moinmoin, unless someone has a better idea?


  Note that moinmoin folks so "don't bother to host on sf, too slow", so I'll put the new wiki at murkworks.com


  I'm not sure what content to put on the pythonce home page, so it's spartan.








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  http://www.murkworks.com                          
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From theller at python.net  Fri Jan 13 19:32:17 2006
From: theller at python.net (Thomas Heller)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 19:32:17 +0100
Subject: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?
References: <BAY101-DAV8F16F301E624F4B6B66B18A250@phx.gbl>
	<DAELJHBGPBHPJKEBGGLNAEFFJLAD.mhammond@skippinet.com.au>
Message-ID: <4q48kmha.fsf@python.net>

We have three more or less complete and tested rapi modules.  I have to
admit that after reading it I like Luke's module better than the
TechGame one, although I found at least one error in it (CeCreateProcess
must take a pointer to PROCESS_INFORMATION).

We have the script that I posted which implements the start of a remote
Python interpreter.  I don't know what others think of it, but I find it
pretty cool, it lets me try out code on the PDA without having to fiddle
with this stick ;-).

How should we proceed?

Create a development environment for CE, based on ctypes?

Where should the repository be?

Who is interested in developing it?

And so on.

For ctypes, wrapping the *complete* rapi functions would be an
interesting experiment, also for automated code generation.  Large
enough to be interesting, small enough to be ready in limited time.

Thomas


From coder_infidel at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 14 12:42:28 2006
From: coder_infidel at hotmail.com (Luke Dunstan)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:42:28 +0800
Subject: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?
References: <BAY101-DAV8F16F301E624F4B6B66B18A250@phx.gbl><DAELJHBGPBHPJKEBGGLNAEFFJLAD.mhammond@skippinet.com.au>
	<4q48kmha.fsf@python.net>
Message-ID: <BAY101-DAV14AA04BEA50FF1C243E0478A190@phx.gbl>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Heller" <theller at python.net>
To: <pythonce at python.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 2:32 AM
Subject: Re: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?


> We have three more or less complete and tested rapi modules.  I have to
> admit that after reading it I like Luke's module better than the
> TechGame one, although I found at least one error in it (CeCreateProcess
> must take a pointer to PROCESS_INFORMATION).

Note that PROCESS_INFORMATION contains an "_as_parameter_" property that
takes the address for you. I would agree to removing this though because it
may be more confusing than convenient.

> We have the script that I posted which implements the start of a remote
> Python interpreter.  I don't know what others think of it, but I find it
> pretty cool, it lets me try out code on the PDA without having to fiddle
> with this stick ;-).

I forgot to mention it earlier but I am actually using your script most of
the time instead of the default PythonCE shell :-).

> How should we proceed?
>
> Create a development environment for CE, based on ctypes?

I think everyone will have different ideas of what a "development 
environment for CE" should be, and a wiki page is probably a good way to 
collect the ideas. It would also be nice if an existing IDE or something 
could be modified and extended to allow remote development for Windows CE, 
because it would save a lot of time compared to creating it from scratch. 
Off the top of my head I would like an IDE with the following features:

- Remote interactive Python shell like the one you posted
- Source code editor with the usual features (to be elaborated later)
- Integrated remote debugger like winpdb
- GUI written in wxPython (this is just my preference and the reasons can be 
discussed later)
- Preferably doesn't require manual installation of device-side components 
apart from the standard PythonCE, i.e. it should install the rest 
automatically
- Perhaps an integrated remote display function like ActiveSync Remote 
Display or VNC, because this would be important for developing graphical 
Python apps for Windows CE

That should be enough to kick off discussion.

> Where should the repository be?

I think it should be part of the PythonCE project on SourceForge because I
imagine it would appeal to most users and because I think it is too small to
require a separate project at this stage.

> Who is interested in developing it?

I am interested in working on it but I will be going on holiday soon for 
around 3 weeks, so I won't be available immediately.

>
> And so on.
>
> For ctypes, wrapping the *complete* rapi functions would be an
> interesting experiment, also for automated code generation.  Large
> enough to be interesting, small enough to be ready in limited time.
>
> Thomas

Yes, it would be interesting and I may try it some time. So many ideas, so 
little time :-).

Luke

From brian at ablelinktech.com  Sat Jan 14 21:01:03 2006
From: brian at ablelinktech.com (Brian Brown)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:01:03 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?
In-Reply-To: <BAY101-DAV14AA04BEA50FF1C243E0478A190@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY101-DAV8F16F301E624F4B6B66B18A250@phx.gbl><DAELJHBGPBHPJKEBGGLNAEFFJLAD.mhammond@skippinet.com.au>
	<4q48kmha.fsf@python.net>
	<BAY101-DAV14AA04BEA50FF1C243E0478A190@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4457E629-47CB-4658-88F6-E2247CC0C77A@ablelinktech.com>


On Jan 13, 2006, at 11:32 AM, Thomas Heller wrote:


> We have three more or less complete and tested rapi modules.  I  
> have to
> admit that after reading it I like Luke's module better than the
> TechGame one, although I found at least one error in it  
> (CeCreateProcess
> must take a pointer to PROCESS_INFORMATION).
>
>

Which one did you find the error in? And whichever one we want to use  
as a base is fine with me; if you like Luke's module better, then we  
can use that. I need copy, though ;)


> We have the script that I posted which implements the start of a  
> remote
> Python interpreter.  I don't know what others think of it, but I  
> find it
> pretty cool, it lets me try out code on the PDA without having to  
> fiddle
> with this stick ;-).
>
>

I agree :)



> How should we proceed?
>
> Create a development environment for CE, based on ctypes?
>

Yes, I think we should do this


>
> Where should the repository be?
>
>

We can host it, I can create a trac project at http:// 
www.techgame.net/projects/ceDev or something....

Just let me know and I can set it up. It would have an svn repository.


> Who is interested in developing it?
>
>

We can contribute to the development, so who else wants to get on board?



> And so on.
>
> For ctypes, wrapping the *complete* rapi functions would be an
> interesting experiment, also for automated code generation.  Large
> enough to be interesting, small enough to be ready in limited time.
>
> Thomas
>
>

Brian



> _______________________________________________
> PythonCE mailing list
> PythonCE at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonce

From kitsune_e at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 16 23:54:04 2006
From: kitsune_e at yahoo.com (Ed Blake)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:54:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PythonCE] IdleCE (or how I develop for WinCE)
Message-ID: <20060116225404.5395.qmail@web50204.mail.yahoo.com>


I've taken a little time to rewrite large portions of my Idle for CE.  Get it
here: http://kitsu.petesdomain.com/files/WinCE/IdleCE-2.0b.zip
And the LEO document:
http://kitsu.petesdomain.com/files/WinCE/IdleCE.leo

  New features:
    Major code reorginization (editor in separate module)
    Better file change tracking (requires a change in Tkinter.py)
    Addition of MDI (Multi-Document-Interface)
    Better syntax highlighting (better, not good)

The syntax highlighting editor is now broken out into its own module, and is
accompanied by a wrapper class which gives a simpler interface and automatic
scroll bars.  If you want to add IdleCE to your start menu programs you
should put the editor.py file in your python/lib directory.

There is a bug in Tkinter.py in the edit method of the Text class.  If the
edit methods is handling a 'modified' request it needs to use getboolean not
getints.  Fixes are discussed in the IdleCE readme.

One extra addition: a memory leak.  Somewhere in the code that manages
multiple documents something is getting a referance to my documents and not
letting it go.  The result (as tested on WindowsXP) is that even after a
document is closed its memory isn't freed.  All the referances are eventually
killed when you close the program.  I haven't been able to track this down,
so don't use the same IdleCE session for more than a 4-5 documents without
exiting.

How I develop Python programs for CE.  First I write them and get them
working decent on a regular windows PC (using only supported modules).  Then
I copy the file(s) into a scripts directory on my storage card and run them. 
If I get any tracebacks I can open them up in IdleCE and poke around the
problem.  If the problem is serious enough I go back to testing on PC.  For
small programs/experiments I write/test them right in IdleCE (oh suprise).

It's nice to see some people getting active, supporting Python on
pocketPC/WinCE.  It really is pretty stable and usable, it's just that
there's so much out of date information floating around and no central site
for the current stuff.  I'm glad somebody is trying to fix that.

From andy at andybak.net  Tue Jan 17 14:06:11 2006
From: andy at andybak.net (Andy Baker)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:06:11 +0000
Subject: [PythonCE] Tkinter binaries
Message-ID: <85d9ccbb0601170506n633e205fmee920a647ecb9d75@mail.gmail.com>

With the nice shiny new installer for PythonCE 2.3.5 this is the only
dependency. How can we make it as painless as possible for people to get
these when they download the installer? Can we have them appear on the
Sourceforge download page?
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From dc at openapp.biz  Tue Jan 17 18:50:11 2006
From: dc at openapp.biz (david creane)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:50:11 +0000
Subject: [PythonCE] How to edit registry on pocketpc to change how IE
	displays python files.
Message-ID: <200601171750.11243.dc@openapp.biz>

Ive installed pythonce and Tkinter on a pocketpc 2003 2nd edition. And it runs 
any python scripts on it. I want to be able to connect to a python file on a 
share and have it run the python file but in Internet explorer it just opens 
the python file as a text file. So i downloaded a registry editor on the 
pocketpc to try and change the way IE opens the file. Either to open it up in 
a save as dialog box and the run the python file like it would do for say an 
mp3 file or to run the python file directly in IE somehow. However im not 
sure what needs to be changed in the registry. In the python file I tried 
adding a BroswerFlag to the .py under file associations but that didnt seem 
to work. Any help would be appreciated on whether this can be done.

From stewart.midwinter at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 21:34:57 2006
From: stewart.midwinter at gmail.com (Stewart Midwinter)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:34:57 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] How to edit registry on pocketpc to change how IE
	displays python files.
In-Reply-To: <200601171750.11243.dc@openapp.biz>
References: <200601171750.11243.dc@openapp.biz>
Message-ID: <d4c0d4800601171234g2511b7ahe20adbfa64332ee8@mail.gmail.com>

David, there should be a script that edits the registry for you, and
it comes with a shortcut to help run it.  Which version of PythonCE
did you install?


S

From fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk  Wed Jan 18 09:40:15 2006
From: fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk (Fuzzyman)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:40:15 +0000
Subject: [PythonCE] How to edit registry on pocketpc to change how IE
 displays python files.
In-Reply-To: <d4c0d4800601171234g2511b7ahe20adbfa64332ee8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200601171750.11243.dc@openapp.biz>
	<d4c0d4800601171234g2511b7ahe20adbfa64332ee8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43CDFEEF.10104@voidspace.org.uk>

Stewart Midwinter wrote:

>David, there should be a script that edits the registry for you, and
>it comes with a shortcut to help run it.  Which version of PythonCE
>did you install?
>
>
>  
>
It didn't work for me. The one supplied seem to need running on the PC
(using cereg.exe)  not the PocketPC - and it defines various *extra*
entries as well. It didn't work for me yet anyway.

I haven't yet taken the manual steps described to get it working. I was
re-installing over a previous install.

All the best,

Fuzzyman
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/index.shtml

>S
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From theller at python.net  Wed Jan 18 11:31:55 2006
From: theller at python.net (Thomas Heller)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:31:55 +0100
Subject: [PythonCE] How to edit registry on pocketpc to change how IE
 displays python files.
In-Reply-To: <43CDFEEF.10104@voidspace.org.uk> (fuzzyman@voidspace.org.uk's
	message of "Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:40:15 +0000")
References: <200601171750.11243.dc@openapp.biz>
	<d4c0d4800601171234g2511b7ahe20adbfa64332ee8@mail.gmail.com>
	<43CDFEEF.10104@voidspace.org.uk>
Message-ID: <vewhj084.fsf@python.net>

Fuzzyman <fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk> writes:

> Stewart Midwinter wrote:
>
>>David, there should be a script that edits the registry for you, and
>>it comes with a shortcut to help run it.  Which version of PythonCE
>>did you install?
>>
>>
>>  
>>
> It didn't work for me. The one supplied seem to need running on the PC
> (using cereg.exe)  not the PocketPC - and it defines various *extra*
> entries as well. It didn't work for me yet anyway.
>
> I haven't yet taken the manual steps described to get it working. I was
> re-installing over a previous install.

Here is the script that I used (maybe it is from Luke):

#
#	Setup the registry to allow us to double click on python scripts
#
from _winreg import *

print "Setting up registry to allow\ndouble clicking of Python files to work"

#
#	Create the registry entries for ".py" and ".pyc" extensions
#
for Name in (".py", ".pyc"):
    Key = CreateKey(HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT, Name)
    SetValue(Key, None, REG_SZ, "Python.File")
    CloseKey(Key)

#
#	Create HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Python.File\Shell\Open\Command = "\Program Files\Python\Python.exe" "%1"
#
Key = CreateKey(HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT, "Python.File")
for Name in ("Shell","Open","Command"):
  New_Key= CreateKey(Key, Name)
  CloseKey(Key)
  Key = New_Key
SetValue(Key, None, REG_SZ, "\"\\Program Files\\Python\\Python.exe\" \"%1\"")
CloseKey(Key)

import time
time.sleep(5)

I did run it with 'execfile(r"\My Documents\Scripts\setup-registry.py")'
on the pocket PC itself, from within Python.

What I didn't achieve so far was to associate a useful icon with .py
files, maybe someone could post the registry entries for that?

Thomas



From fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk  Wed Jan 18 11:55:19 2006
From: fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk (Fuzzyman)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:55:19 +0000
Subject: [PythonCE] How to edit registry on pocketpc to change how IE
 displays python files.
In-Reply-To: <vewhj084.fsf@python.net>
References: <200601171750.11243.dc@openapp.biz>	<d4c0d4800601171234g2511b7ahe20adbfa64332ee8@mail.gmail.com>	<43CDFEEF.10104@voidspace.org.uk>
	<vewhj084.fsf@python.net>
Message-ID: <43CE1E97.9010207@voidspace.org.uk>

Thomas Heller wrote:

>Fuzzyman <fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk> writes:
>
>  
>
>>Stewart Midwinter wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>David, there should be a script that edits the registry for you, and
>>>it comes with a shortcut to help run it.  Which version of PythonCE
>>>did you install?
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>It didn't work for me. The one supplied seem to need running on the PC
>>(using cereg.exe)  not the PocketPC - and it defines various *extra*
>>entries as well. It didn't work for me yet anyway.
>>
>>I haven't yet taken the manual steps described to get it working. I was
>>re-installing over a previous install.
>>    
>>
>
>Here is the script that I used (maybe it is from Luke):
>
>#
>#	Setup the registry to allow us to double click on python scripts
>#
>from _winreg import *
>
>print "Setting up registry to allow\ndouble clicking of Python files to work"
>
>#
>#	Create the registry entries for ".py" and ".pyc" extensions
>#
>for Name in (".py", ".pyc"):
>    Key = CreateKey(HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT, Name)
>    SetValue(Key, None, REG_SZ, "Python.File")
>    CloseKey(Key)
>
>#
>#	Create HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Python.File\Shell\Open\Command = "\Program Files\Python\Python.exe" "%1"
>#
>Key = CreateKey(HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT, "Python.File")
>for Name in ("Shell","Open","Command"):
>  New_Key= CreateKey(Key, Name)
>  CloseKey(Key)
>  Key = New_Key
>SetValue(Key, None, REG_SZ, "\"\\Program Files\\Python\\Python.exe\" \"%1\"")
>CloseKey(Key)
>
>import time
>time.sleep(5)
>
>I did run it with 'execfile(r"\My Documents\Scripts\setup-registry.py")'
>on the pocket PC itself, from within Python.
>
>What I didn't achieve so far was to associate a useful icon with .py
>files, maybe someone could post the registry entries for that?
>
>  
>
This associates '.py' with Python. There was a separate distribution of
Tk/Tkinter posted to the group recently (or at least a URL).

This was purportedly more recent than other versions available for
download. This distribution had a Tcl script to transfer the files to
the PocketPC, this script 'hung' on me, so I followed the manual
instructions. As part of this it included a batch file (that needed
editing appropriately) to setup the registry entries on the PocketPC so
that Python can find the install of Tk.

It uses ``cereg.exe`` run on the PC (AFAICT) to make the registry
entries. It's possible of course that it ought to be run on the PocketPC
- maybe I'll try that. (It certainly didn't work for me, but then it
didn't report errors either, which you would expect if you try to run a
PocketPC application on the desktop).

All the best,


Fuzzyman
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/index.shtml



>Thomas
>
>
>
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From fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk  Wed Jan 18 12:02:40 2006
From: fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk (Fuzzyman)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:02:40 +0000
Subject: [PythonCE] How to edit registry on pocketpc to change how IE
 displays python files.
In-Reply-To: <43CE1E97.9010207@voidspace.org.uk>
References: <200601171750.11243.dc@openapp.biz>	<d4c0d4800601171234g2511b7ahe20adbfa64332ee8@mail.gmail.com>	<43CDFEEF.10104@voidspace.org.uk>	<vewhj084.fsf@python.net>
	<43CE1E97.9010207@voidspace.org.uk>
Message-ID: <43CE2050.6010702@voidspace.org.uk>

Fuzzyman wrote:

> Thomas Heller wrote:
>
>>Fuzzyman <fuzzyman at voidspace.org.uk> writes:
>>
>>  
>>
>>>Stewart Midwinter wrote:
>>>
>>>    
>>>
>>>>David, there should be a script that edits the registry for you, and
>>>>it comes with a shortcut to help run it.  Which version of PythonCE
>>>>did you install?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>It didn't work for me. The one supplied seem to need running on the PC
>>>(using cereg.exe)  not the PocketPC - and it defines various *extra*
>>>entries as well. It didn't work for me yet anyway.
>>>
>>>I haven't yet taken the manual steps described to get it working. I was
>>>re-installing over a previous install.
>>>    
>>>
>>
>>Here is the script that I used (maybe it is from Luke):
>>
>>#
>>#	Setup the registry to allow us to double click on python scripts
>>#
>>from _winreg import *
>>
>>print "Setting up registry to allow\ndouble clicking of Python files to work"
>>
>>#
>>#	Create the registry entries for ".py" and ".pyc" extensions
>>#
>>for Name in (".py", ".pyc"):
>>    Key = CreateKey(HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT, Name)
>>    SetValue(Key, None, REG_SZ, "Python.File")
>>    CloseKey(Key)
>>
>>#
>>#	Create HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Python.File\Shell\Open\Command = "\Program Files\Python\Python.exe" "%1"
>>#
>>Key = CreateKey(HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT, "Python.File")
>>for Name in ("Shell","Open","Command"):
>>  New_Key= CreateKey(Key, Name)
>>  CloseKey(Key)
>>  Key = New_Key
>>SetValue(Key, None, REG_SZ, "\"\\Program Files\\Python\\Python.exe\" \"%1\"")
>>CloseKey(Key)
>>
>>import time
>>time.sleep(5)
>>
>>I did run it with 'execfile(r"\My Documents\Scripts\setup-registry.py")'
>>on the pocket PC itself, from within Python.
>>
>>What I didn't achieve so far was to associate a useful icon with .py
>>files, maybe someone could post the registry entries for that?
>>
>>  
>>
> This associates '.py' with Python. There was a separate distribution
> of Tk/Tkinter posted to the group recently (or at least a URL).
>
> This was purportedly more recent than other versions available for
> download. This distribution had a Tcl script to transfer the files to
> the PocketPC, this script 'hung' on me, so I followed the manual
> instructions. As part of this it included a batch file (that needed
> editing appropriately) to setup the registry entries on the PocketPC
> so that Python can find the install of Tk.
>
> It uses ``cereg.exe`` run on the PC (AFAICT) to make the registry
> entries. It's possible of course that it ought to be run on the
> PocketPC - maybe I'll try that. (It certainly didn't work for me, but
> then it didn't report errors either, which you would expect if you try
> to run a PocketPC application on the desktop).
>

Hmm... for some reason I misread this post and thought we were talking
about Tk/Tkinter. Sorry about that.

Anyway, I still have a problem - but I can always manually add the
registry entries.

All the best,

Fuzzyman
http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/index.shtml

> All the best,
>
>
> Fuzzyman
> http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/index.shtml
>
>
>
>>Thomas
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>
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From subflux at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 12:05:14 2006
From: subflux at gmail.com (Kenneth Gillen)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:05:14 +0000
Subject: [PythonCE] A Bluetooth Project with PythonCE .. ?
Message-ID: <6037eeda0601180305n48676002rb7e1f174e0856d26@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All,

I am about to embark on a pocketPC project that will employ bluetooth.

I have identified a suitable development environment for this project,
but would like to use PythonCE if possible.

Can one write bluetooth applications with PythonCE? If so, could
anyone point me to a U.R.I. where I could find more information?

Many thanks,

Kenny

From dc at openapp.biz  Wed Jan 18 12:29:07 2006
From: dc at openapp.biz (david creane)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:29:07 +0000
Subject: [PythonCE] How to edit registry on pocketpc to change how IE
	displays python files.
In-Reply-To: <d4c0d4800601171234g2511b7ahe20adbfa64332ee8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200601171750.11243.dc@openapp.biz>
	<d4c0d4800601171234g2511b7ahe20adbfa64332ee8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200601181129.07504.dc@openapp.biz>

On Tuesday 17 January 2006 20:34, Stewart Midwinter wrote:
> David, there should be a script that edits the registry for you, and
> it comes with a shortcut to help run it.  Which version of PythonCE
> did you install?
>
> 	
> S
I installed the files from Python-2.3.4-arm-PPC2003.zip and Tkinter-Files.zip 
onto the pocketpc. I already had to edit that registry install file and where 
to put the folders to get it to work as it didnt put a lib folder in the 
python folder when i extracted it so i just changed that line in the registry 
file. When i click on a .py file it runs the file fine.  However  if i click 
on the file within Internet Explorer it opens a .py file as a text file. 

How can i change the file associations within IE so that it either runs 
the .py file when i click on it or it allows me to download the .py file and 
run it then. I cannot find a way to edit these things in  IE in the registry. 
Is there a better broswer to download on the pocketpc or is there a way to do 
what i want on IE.

>Thomas Heller wrote:
>What I didn't achieve so far was to associate a useful icon with .py
>files, maybe someone could post the registry entries for that?

If you look at MP3FILE on the registry for example it has a folder called 
DefaultIcon which has a Default value in it called "wmplayer.exe,-2001"
So id say the script for entering in for Python.File would be something like

Key = CreateKey(HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT, "Python.File")
for Name in ("DefaultIcon"):
  New_Key= CreateKey(Key, Name)
  CloseKey(Key)
  Key = New_Key
SetValue(Key, None, REG_SZ, "Link to the icon you want to represent Python")
CloseKey(Key)
 
You probably know this but just in case

From dc at openapp.biz  Wed Jan 18 13:18:35 2006
From: dc at openapp.biz (david creane)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:18:35 +0000
Subject: [PythonCE] How to edit registry on pocketpc to change how IE
	displays python files.
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References: <200601171750.11243.dc@openapp.biz>
	<d4c0d4800601171234g2511b7ahe20adbfa64332ee8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200601181218.35953.dc@openapp.biz>

Ok i figured it out. Sorry it was apaches fault in the end. My bad.

I hadnt the mime-types set up for  python files in apache. 
In  /etc/apache2/mime.types i had to add "application/python      py". Im not 
a 100% sure if thats totally correct but it looks right and now on  IE on the 
PocketPC when i  click on the .py file it gives me the save then run dialog 
box. So thanks anyway.

From jkrohse at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 18:15:18 2006
From: jkrohse at gmail.com (Joshua Krohse)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 11:15:18 -0600
Subject: [PythonCE] Prompting the user for information
Message-ID: <72a687ad0601180915m7fd4a0f6h843455d18b3cc1d7@mail.gmail.com>

  At one point, I had a bit of code example that showed how to pop up a
message box that prompted the user for a string.  I have scoured the web for
this again and cannot find it.  I think it was a win32gui function, but I'm
not sure.

  This may be obvious to long-time PythonCE users, but it certainly isn't to
us newbies.  I can use Tkinter just fine, but I am looking for alternate
ways of getting user input.

  If you know the function I am talking about, would you please share it?
Also, any other methods of prompting for input would be useful.  This would
be a good topic for a PythonCE Wiki page when there is one.

  Thanks,

     Joshua Krohse
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From stewart.midwinter at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 18:32:35 2006
From: stewart.midwinter at gmail.com (Stewart Midwinter)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 10:32:35 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] Prompting the user for information
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References: <72a687ad0601180915m7fd4a0f6h843455d18b3cc1d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d4c0d4800601180932r51da7c82s7c9ab68204fe0e8e@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/18/06, Joshua Krohse <jkrohse at gmail.com> wrote:
>   If you know the function I am talking about, would you please share it?
> Also, any other methods of prompting for input would be useful.  This would
> be a good topic for a PythonCE Wiki page when there is one.

Joshua, you could try easygui.  It's a GUI tool for getting user input
in non-GUI programs.  It uses Tkinter, but without all of the overhead
you'd normally have.  You just use a one-liner to get the input.

#easygui-example.py
from easygui import *
import sys

while 1:
    msgbox("Hello, world!")
    msg ="What is your favorite flavor?"
    title = "Ice Cream Survey"
    choices = ["Vanilla", "Chocolate", "Strawberry", "Rocky Road"]
    choice = choicebox(msg, title, choices)
    # note that we convert choice to string, in case
    # the user cancelled the choice, and we got None.
    msgbox("You chose: " + str(choice), "Survey Result")
    msg = "Do you want to continue?"


cheers,
--
Stewart Midwinter
stewart at midwinter.ca
stewart.midwinter at gmail.com
Skype, GoogleTalk, iChatAV, MSN, Yahoo: midtoad
AIM:midtoad1

From geoff at gmceng.com  Fri Jan 20 01:38:33 2006
From: geoff at gmceng.com (geoff)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:38:33 +1000
Subject: [PythonCE] Ideas for New User Please
Message-ID: <43D03109.5080407@gmceng.com>

Hi group,

I guess it?s been answered before, but I have been searching for hours 
with no luck.

I have an application that I wrote and used raw_input successfully for 
user input that works fine on a pc but not on my pretty new ipaq.

Is there an easy way to get it working?

Or do I need to learn how to use Tkinter?  (I hope not, I really just 
need simple input).

Also, what is the best place to download a working pythonce. I seem to 
have corrupted the one that I had working last week and tapping a .py 
file no longer works.

Thanks for any useful ideas,


Geoff



From javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu  Fri Jan 20 19:25:57 2006
From: javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu (javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:25:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PythonCE] Ideas for New User Please (geoff)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.27.1137754838.32674.pythonce@python.org>
References: <mailman.27.1137754838.32674.pythonce@python.org>
Message-ID: <1116.172.23.105.248.1137781557.squirrel@webmail.eden.rutgers.edu>

I'm new too. However, as far as I understand the console for CE was
removed in recent version. I haven't really worked with user input in
pythonCE but perhaps you can use a gui textinput as suggested in a
previous post.

//START

On 1/18/06, Joshua Krohse <jkrohse at gmail.com> wrote:
>   If you know the function I am talking about, would you please share it?
> Also, any other methods of prompting for input would be useful.  This would
> be a good topic for a PythonCE Wiki page when there is one.

Joshua, you could try easygui.  It's a GUI tool for getting user input
in non-GUI programs.  It uses Tkinter, but without all of the overhead
you'd normally have.  You just use a one-liner to get the input.

#easygui-example.py
from easygui import *
import sys

while 1:
    msgbox("Hello, world!")
    msg ="What is your favorite flavor?"
    title = "Ice Cream Survey"
    choices = ["Vanilla", "Chocolate", "Strawberry", "Rocky Road"]
    choice = choicebox(msg, title, choices)
    # note that we convert choice to string, in case
    # the user cancelled the choice, and we got None.
    msgbox("You chose: " + str(choice), "Survey Result")
    msg = "Do you want to continue?"


cheers,
--
Stewart Midwinter
stewart at midwinter.ca
stewart.midwinter at gmail.com
Skype, GoogleTalk, iChatAV, MSN, Yahoo: midtoad
AIM:midtoad1

//END
> Subject: [PythonCE] Ideas for New User Please
>
> Hi group,
>
> I guess it?s been answered before, but I have been searching for hours
> with no luck.
>
> I have an application that I wrote and used raw_input successfully for
> user input that works fine on a pc but not on my pretty new ipaq.
>
> Is there an easy way to get it working?
>
> Or do I need to learn how to use Tkinter?  (I hope not, I really just
> need simple input).
>
> Also, what is the best place to download a working pythonce. I seem to
> have corrupted the one that I had working last week and tapping a .py
> file no longer works.
>
> Thanks for any useful ideas,
>
>
> Geoff



From theller at python.net  Fri Jan 20 21:40:00 2006
From: theller at python.net (Thomas Heller)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 21:40:00 +0100
Subject: [PythonCE] How do you develop on the PocketPC?
References: <BAY101-DAV8F16F301E624F4B6B66B18A250@phx.gbl>
	<DAELJHBGPBHPJKEBGGLNAEFFJLAD.mhammond@skippinet.com.au>
	<4q48kmha.fsf@python.net>
	<BAY101-DAV14AA04BEA50FF1C243E0478A190@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <zmlqeiqn.fsf@python.net>

(Sorry for the late reply - sooo much to do ;-)

"Luke Dunstan" <coder_infidel at hotmail.com> writes:
> From: "Thomas Heller" <theller at python.net>
>
>> We have three more or less complete and tested rapi modules.  I have to
>> admit that after reading it I like Luke's module better than the
>> TechGame one, although I found at least one error in it (CeCreateProcess
>> must take a pointer to PROCESS_INFORMATION).
>
> Note that PROCESS_INFORMATION contains an "_as_parameter_" property
> that takes the address for you. I would agree to removing this though
> because it may be more confusing than convenient.

I totally forgot about the _as_parameter_ mechanism (even though it is
documented in the tutorial).  Problem with it is that it's not
compatible with argtypes, iirc.

>> We have the script that I posted which implements the start of a remote
>> Python interpreter.  I don't know what others think of it, but I find it
>> pretty cool, it lets me try out code on the PDA without having to fiddle
>> with this stick ;-).
>
> I forgot to mention it earlier but I am actually using your script most of
> the time instead of the default PythonCE shell :-).

Cool.

>> How should we proceed?
>>
>> Create a development environment for CE, based on ctypes?
>
> I think everyone will have different ideas of what a "development 
> environment for CE" should be, and a wiki page is probably a good way to 
> collect the ideas. It would also be nice if an existing IDE or something 
> could be modified and extended to allow remote development for Windows CE, 
> because it would save a lot of time compared to creating it from scratch. 
> Off the top of my head I would like an IDE with the following features:
>
> - Remote interactive Python shell like the one you posted
> - Source code editor with the usual features (to be elaborated later)
> - Integrated remote debugger like winpdb
> - GUI written in wxPython (this is just my preference and the reasons can be 
> discussed later)
> - Preferably doesn't require manual installation of device-side components 
> apart from the standard PythonCE, i.e. it should install the rest 
> automatically
> - Perhaps an integrated remote display function like ActiveSync Remote 
> Display or VNC, because this would be important for developing graphical 
> Python apps for Windows CE
>
> That should be enough to kick off discussion.

Ok, here are my thoughts in this:

I prefer xemacs as IDE, and normally do not use debuggers (ok, sometimes
pdb from the console).  I plan to extend the remote interactive shell to
accept all parameters that python.exe takes, then it could be used edit
the code script in xemacs, and execute it on the pda by hitting C-c C-c.
I also have already extended the remote console to be
configuration-free, the desktop's IP address is passed as parameter.
Later, the device-side script can be transferred automatically from the
desktop with rapi calls.

But this shouldn't discourage you from the above ideas - sounds great
anyway.

>> Where should the repository be?
>
> I think it should be part of the PythonCE project on SourceForge because I
> imagine it would appeal to most users and because I think it is too small to
> require a separate project at this stage.
>
>> Who is interested in developing it?
>
> I am interested in working on it but I will be going on holiday soon for 
> around 3 weeks, so I won't be available immediately.

>> Where should the repository be?
>>
>>
>
Brian Brown <brian at ablelinktech.com> writes:

> We can host it, I can create a trac project at http:// 
> www.techgame.net/projects/ceDev or something....
>
> Just let me know and I can set it up. It would have an svn repository.
>
>
>> Who is interested in developing it?
>>
>>
>
> We can contribute to the development, so who else wants to get on board?

So, it seems we have to decide whether the project should be hosted
inside the PythonCE project on SF, or a trac project on techgame.

And i seems Brian, Luke, and me would be interested as developers.  Not
a bad start, if you ask me.

Thomas


From sxn02 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 22 05:07:56 2006
From: sxn02 at yahoo.com (Sori Schwimmer)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:07:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PythonCE] Asynchronous communication
Message-ID: <20060122040756.71625.qmail@web33614.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi,

Is there an implementation of the CCeSocket?
(http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/?url=/library/en-us/dv_wcemfc4/html/aflrfccesocket.asp)
Or any other way to deal with asynchronous events?

Thanks,
Sorin

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From danielbdavis at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 00:24:06 2006
From: danielbdavis at gmail.com (Daniel Davis)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 15:24:06 -0800
Subject: [PythonCE] remove me please
Message-ID: <86a0a3b10601221524o67289797gc513b5f3049ad51c@mail.gmail.com>

please remove me from this list

thank you
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From geoff at gmceng.com  Mon Jan 23 09:06:11 2006
From: geoff at gmceng.com (geoff)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:06:11 +1000
Subject: [PythonCE] Tkinter and easygui
Message-ID: <43D48E73.8080901@gmceng.com>

Hi again,

still trying to get a simple python programme working.

Have uninstalled everything, then:

installed PythonCE-2.3.5-20051223-setup to the default location. ie 
/Program Files/Python

run setup-registry

this works great thanks.

copied easygui.py to /Program Files/Python

the  Python error screen hides the first screen, but it says something 
to the effect no module Tkinter.

_Tkinter exists in /Program Files/Python/DLLs

any ideas please?


From stewart.midwinter at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 09:23:36 2006
From: stewart.midwinter at gmail.com (Stewart Midwinter)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:23:36 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] Tkinter and easygui
In-Reply-To: <43D48E73.8080901@gmceng.com>
References: <43D48E73.8080901@gmceng.com>
Message-ID: <d4c0d4800601230023r389daea0h3fdeaa176eff5953@mail.gmail.com>

try telling the interpreter explicitly where your Tkinter is.

sys.path.append('/path/to/Tkinter files')


in my case it's in '\SD Card\Program Files\Python\Lib\python23.zip\lib-tk'

S


On 1/23/06, geoff <geoff at gmceng.com> wrote:
> the  Python error screen hides the first screen, but it says something
> to the effect no module Tkinter.


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From stewart.midwinter at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 19:51:10 2006
From: stewart.midwinter at gmail.com (Stewart Midwinter)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:51:10 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] Tkinter and easygui
In-Reply-To: <d4c0d4800601231050t6ea137b4r81ae198681c24c49@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43D48E73.8080901@gmceng.com>
	<d4c0d4800601230023r389daea0h3fdeaa176eff5953@mail.gmail.com>
	<72a687ad0601231045s24888cf6g8ad160d82527a657@mail.gmail.com>
	<d4c0d4800601231050t6ea137b4r81ae198681c24c49@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d4c0d4800601231051r38b1ff25nf9a3c0e6b210ee32@mail.gmail.com>

note that on the PocketPC, there is often a problem with the windows
you create being stuck behind other windows.

there's a freeware utility you can get (try
http://pocketpcfreewares.com/) that allows you to Alt-Tab between apps
by pressing a button - I mapped my Record button on the side of my
Toshiba e830 for that purpose.  So I can always get to the windows I
want.

cheers
S


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From geoff at gmceng.com  Tue Jan 24 04:28:25 2006
From: geoff at gmceng.com (geoff)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:28:25 +1000
Subject: [PythonCE] Tkinter and easygui
In-Reply-To: <mailman.25.1138014005.8587.pythonce@python.org>
References: <mailman.25.1138014005.8587.pythonce@python.org>
Message-ID: <43D59ED9.5080803@gmceng.com>



> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:23:36 -0700
> From: Stewart Midwinter <stewart.midwinter at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [PythonCE] Tkinter and easygui
> To: info at gmceng.com
> Cc: pythonce at python.org
> Message-ID:
> 	<d4c0d4800601230023r389daea0h3fdeaa176eff5953 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> try telling the interpreter explicitly where your Tkinter is.
> 
> sys.path.append('/path/to/Tkinter files')
> 
> 
> in my case it's in '\SD Card\Program Files\Python\Lib\python23.zip\lib-tk'
> 
> S
Thanks for the advice.

Are you saying that the python23.zip should contain lib-tk? When I copy 
it back to a pc and open, no such file or directory exists.

Also, the autoinstaller puts python23.zip into the following directory:

\program files\Python

and the only file visible in \program files\Python\lib is called 'os'

I have tried removing and reinstaling numerous times.

I also tried copying the Tkinter.zip stuff manually and hope this hasn't 
stuffed things up.

Thanks again for any help,

Geoff


From stewart.midwinter at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 06:49:41 2006
From: stewart.midwinter at gmail.com (Stewart Midwinter)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:49:41 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] Tkinter and easygui
In-Reply-To: <43D59ED9.5080803@gmceng.com>
References: <mailman.25.1138014005.8587.pythonce@python.org>
	<43D59ED9.5080803@gmceng.com>
Message-ID: <d4c0d4800601232149h16a12206vff23637a6b424ec0@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/23/06, geoff <geoff at gmceng.com> wrote:
>
>
> Are you saying that the python23.zip should contain lib-tk? When I copy
> it back to a pc and open, no such file or directory exists.

yep, that's what I'm saying.  That's what's on my PDA, anyway.

cheers,
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From guenter.reusing at boschrexroth.de  Tue Jan 24 10:06:58 2006
From: guenter.reusing at boschrexroth.de (guenter.reusing at boschrexroth.de)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:06:58 +0100
Subject: [PythonCE] numarray or numpy for WinCE
Message-ID: <OF93476498.0DF9D888-ONC1257100.0031D281-C1257100.003201BF@boschrexroth.de>

Hi,
does anyone know of an implementation of "numarray" or "numpy" for
WindowsCe (PPC2003)? I would need it compiled for ARM-Processor.
Thank you for your hint!
regards Guenter
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From rumata-estor at nm.ru  Sat Jan 28 15:35:02 2006
From: rumata-estor at nm.ru (Dmitry Belyaev)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 17:35:02 +0300
Subject: [PythonCE]  Ideas for New User Please
Message-ID: <43DB8116.8090104@nm.ru>

There is console for Pocket PC. There is PocketGCC package at 
http://pocketgcc.sourceforge.net/down.html and it has 3 cab files. One 
of them is console for PPC.
I found that raw_input() switches to (or creates) pocket console for input.

From pdemb at gazeta.pl  Sat Jan 28 16:22:10 2006
From: pdemb at gazeta.pl (Peter Dembinski)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 16:22:10 +0100
Subject: [PythonCE] Ideas for New User Please
In-Reply-To: <43DB8116.8090104@nm.ru>
References: <43DB8116.8090104@nm.ru>
Message-ID: <op.s33gy8ikp2c5o9@hector.domek>

On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 15:35:02 +0100, Dmitry Belyaev <rumata-estor at nm.ru>  
wrote:

> There is console for Pocket PC. There is PocketGCC package at
> http://pocketgcc.sourceforge.net/down.html and it has 3 cab files. One
> of them is console for PPC.

I found console for PocketPC at symbolictools.de.

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From geoff at gmceng.com  Sun Jan 29 09:05:01 2006
From: geoff at gmceng.com (geoff)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:05:01 +1000
Subject: [PythonCE] Install
Message-ID: <43DC772D.9020104@gmceng.com>

ok trying again from scratch as I must be missing something.

On the download site:

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=104228

there are five files available for download.

I have tried using just the:

  PythonCE-2.3.5-20051223-setup.exe

and running from a windoze box which syncs with my ipaq handheld.

This works fine for simple command line python stuff.

I have been advised here last week to use easygui which in turn uses 
Tkinter.

I have tried copying earlier versions of a Tkinter-Files.zip as 
suggested on the site:

http://tkinter.unpythonic.net/wiki/How_20to_20install_20Tkinter

THIS DOES NOT WORK

Has anyone installed the latest image successfully?

Is there more to this than running the exe file from the desktop machine?

Do I need to do more with the other four files on the latest download????

Please help if you can. Python is so easy on a desktop and I would 
really like to use my one off application when out of the office.

Thanks again


Geoff


From rumata-estor at nm.ru  Sun Jan 29 17:27:57 2006
From: rumata-estor at nm.ru (=?UTF-8?B?0JTQvNC40YLRgNC40Lkg0JHQtdC70Y/QtdCy?=)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:27:57 +0300
Subject: [PythonCE] Bug in threading module
Message-ID: <43DCED0D.8080600@nm.ru>

I wrote small program using "threading" module. Inherited 
"threading.Thread" class and started new thread. Started the program and 
found that process is terminated when main program is finished even if 
there are active non-daemonic threads.
Checked this program at desktop Python24 and it was executing until 
thread has finished.

From javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu  Mon Jan 30 01:47:11 2006
From: javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu (javirosa at eden.rutgers.edu)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 19:47:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PythonCE] 3. Install (geoff)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.21.1138532404.12118.pythonce@python.org>
References: <mailman.21.1138532404.12118.pythonce@python.org>
Message-ID: <4102.172.23.105.248.1138582031.squirrel@webmail.eden.rutgers.edu>

I had similar difficulties actually. Perhaps I'm just not using Tkinter
right but I just get a no module named Tkinter. I unziped the
Tkinter-Files into the toplevel directory on my PDA just after installing
the latest PythonCE.

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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251; format=flowed
>
> There is console for Pocket PC. There is PocketGCC package at
> http://pocketgcc.sourceforge.net/down.html and it has 3 cab files. One
> of them is console for PPC.
> I found that raw_input() switches to (or creates) pocket console for
> input.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 16:22:10 +0100
> From: "Peter Dembinski" <pdemb at gazeta.pl>
> Subject: Re: [PythonCE] Ideas for New User Please
> To: "Dmitry Belyaev" <rumata-estor at nm.ru>, pythonce at python.org
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> On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 15:35:02 +0100, Dmitry Belyaev <rumata-estor at nm.ru>
> wrote:
>
>> There is console for Pocket PC. There is PocketGCC package at
>> http://pocketgcc.sourceforge.net/down.html and it has 3 cab files. One
>> of them is console for PPC.
>
> I found console for PocketPC at symbolictools.de.
>
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> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:05:01 +1000
> From: geoff <geoff at gmceng.com>
> Subject: [PythonCE] Install
> To: pythonce at python.org
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> ok trying again from scratch as I must be missing something.
>
> On the download site:
>
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=104228
>
> there are five files available for download.
>
> I have tried using just the:
>
>   PythonCE-2.3.5-20051223-setup.exe
>
> and running from a windoze box which syncs with my ipaq handheld.
>
> This works fine for simple command line python stuff.
>
> I have been advised here last week to use easygui which in turn uses
> Tkinter.
>
> I have tried copying earlier versions of a Tkinter-Files.zip as
> suggested on the site:
>
> http://tkinter.unpythonic.net/wiki/How_20to_20install_20Tkinter
>
> THIS DOES NOT WORK
>
> Has anyone installed the latest image successfully?
>
> Is there more to this than running the exe file from the desktop machine?
>
> Do I need to do more with the other four files on the latest download????
>
> Please help if you can. Python is so easy on a desktop and I would
> really like to use my one off application when out of the office.
>
> Thanks again
>
>
> Geoff
>
>
>
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From jasonmadams at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 04:35:47 2006
From: jasonmadams at gmail.com (Jason Adams)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:35:47 -0500
Subject: [PythonCE] Bug in threading module
In-Reply-To: <43DCED0D.8080600@nm.ru>
References: <43DCED0D.8080600@nm.ru>
Message-ID: <d78d92a30601291935o21a35884r79193ec2310b37c5@mail.gmail.com>

I was under the impression that threading wasn't fully supported on
pythonCE and the thread class is just a dummy class.  Has this changed
or am I just plain wrong?

On 1/29/06, ??????? ?????? <rumata-estor at nm.ru> wrote:
> I wrote small program using "threading" module. Inherited
> "threading.Thread" class and started new thread. Started the program and
> found that process is terminated when main program is finished even if
> there are active non-daemonic threads.
> Checked this program at desktop Python24 and it was executing until
> thread has finished.
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From rumata-estor at nm.ru  Mon Jan 30 13:26:03 2006
From: rumata-estor at nm.ru (Dmitry Belyaev)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:26:03 +0300
Subject: [PythonCE] xml support
Message-ID: <43DE05DB.1050909@nm.ru>

Yesterday I decided to write simple xml-parsing application. Tried 
"xml.sax" and "xml.dom.minidom" modules. Program using "xml.sax" module 
printed "No parsers found" while desktop version worked fine. I
Is there in PythonCE any working xml-parser or I have to parse xml by hands?

From jan.ischebeck at p3-gmbh.de  Mon Jan 30 14:28:15 2006
From: jan.ischebeck at p3-gmbh.de (Ischebeck, Jan)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 14:28:15 +0100
Subject: [PythonCE] xml support
References: <43DE05DB.1050909@nm.ru>
Message-ID: <C5931975AB4FD24996A5EBD3E17A7F83027A82@p3-aachen.intra.p3-gmbh.de>

Hi Dmitry,

Yes, there is at least one xml parser for python ce. 
You can compile the pyexpat module included in the main python source.
(You can find a makefile patch at the sourceforge side)

I'm sorry, but I don't have an up to date binary version at hand.
My binary is based on Kashtan's first version.

Kind Regards

Jan Ischebeck

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Betreff: [PythonCE] xml support
 
Yesterday I decided to write simple xml-parsing application. Tried 
"xml.sax" and "xml.dom.minidom" modules. Program using "xml.sax" module 
printed "No parsers found" while desktop version worked fine. I
Is there in PythonCE any working xml-parser or I have to parse xml by hands?
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From stewart.midwinter at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 16:18:15 2006
From: stewart.midwinter at gmail.com (Stewart Midwinter)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 08:18:15 -0700
Subject: [PythonCE] xml support
In-Reply-To: <43DE05DB.1050909@nm.ru>
References: <43DE05DB.1050909@nm.ru>
Message-ID: <d4c0d4800601300718r6e6b5a41pb55da109029ef781@mail.gmail.com>

try elementTree from http://effbot.org.

s


On 1/30/06, Dmitry Belyaev <rumata-estor at nm.ru> wrote:
> Is there in PythonCE any working xml-parser or I have to parse xml by hands?

From rumata-estor at nm.ru  Mon Jan 30 19:32:31 2006
From: rumata-estor at nm.ru (Dmitry Belyaev)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:32:31 +0300
Subject: [PythonCE] xml support
In-Reply-To: <d4c0d4800601300718r6e6b5a41pb55da109029ef781@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43DE05DB.1050909@nm.ru>
	<d4c0d4800601300718r6e6b5a41pb55da109029ef781@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43DE5BBF.6090904@nm.ru>

I found that elementTree uses obsolete module "xmllib". Besides, neither 
xmllib nor xml.sax are available at PythonCE.

Stewart Midwinter wrote:
> try elementTree from http://effbot.org.
> 
> s
> 
> 
> On 1/30/06, Dmitry Belyaev <rumata-estor at nm.ru> wrote:
> 
>>Is there in PythonCE any working xml-parser or I have to parse xml by hands?
> 

From rumata-estor at nm.ru  Mon Jan 30 19:42:59 2006
From: rumata-estor at nm.ru (Dmitry Belyaev)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:42:59 +0300
Subject: [PythonCE] xml support
In-Reply-To: <C5931975AB4FD24996A5EBD3E17A7F83027A82@p3-aachen.intra.p3-gmbh.de>
References: <43DE05DB.1050909@nm.ru>
	<C5931975AB4FD24996A5EBD3E17A7F83027A82@p3-aachen.intra.p3-gmbh.de>
Message-ID: <43DE5E33.9020102@nm.ru>

I doubt anything from "main python source" can be compiled for WinCE 
without any changes to the sources. I an not WinCE specialist, so I am 
doubt I am able to make necessary changes and compile that module.
My last attempt to compile PythonCE version failed, so I decided to 
download only binaries =)

Ischebeck, Jan wrote:
> Hi Dmitry,
> 
> Yes, there is at least one xml parser for python ce. 
> You can compile the pyexpat module included in the main python source.
> (You can find a makefile patch at the sourceforge side)
> 
> I'm sorry, but I don't have an up to date binary version at hand.
> My binary is based on Kashtan's first version.
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> Jan Ischebeck
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
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> 
> Jan Ischebeck
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> 
> N?rtinger Stra?e 9
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> 
> phone: +49 - (0)163 / 75 33 613
> fax: +49 - (0)163 / 99 75 33 613
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> 
> 
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> Von: pythonce-bounces+jan.ischebeck=p3-gmbh.de at python.org im Auftrag von Dmitry Belyaev
> Gesendet: Mo 30-Jan-06 21:26
> An: pythonce at python.org
> Betreff: [PythonCE] xml support
>  
> Yesterday I decided to write simple xml-parsing application. Tried 
> "xml.sax" and "xml.dom.minidom" modules. Program using "xml.sax" module 
> printed "No parsers found" while desktop version worked fine. I
> Is there in PythonCE any working xml-parser or I have to parse xml by hands?
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From brian at cococorp.com  Mon Jan 30 19:58:24 2006
From: brian at cococorp.com (Brian Retford)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:58:24 -0800
Subject: [PythonCE] xml support
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Sgmlop is fairly easy to get working on wince (one c file, one py file).
It looks like Elementtree supports using sgmlop as well. Sgmlop is very
fast but necessarily the most correct xml parser out there. Expat is
also relatively easy to compile for WinCE.

Brian Retford
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Software Development Manager
Coco Communications Corp
-- e pluribus unum --


Dmitry Belyaev wrote:
> I doubt anything from "main python source" can be compiled for WinCE 
> without any changes to the sources. I an not WinCE specialist, so I am 
> doubt I am able to make necessary changes and compile that module.
> My last attempt to compile PythonCE version failed, so I decided to 
> download only binaries =)
> 
> Ischebeck, Jan wrote:
> 
>>Hi Dmitry,
>>
>>Yes, there is at least one xml parser for python ce. 
>>You can compile the pyexpat module included in the main python source.
>>(You can find a makefile patch at the sourceforge side)
>>
>>I'm sorry, but I don't have an up to date binary version at hand.
>>My binary is based on Kashtan's first version.
>>
>>Kind Regards
>>
>>Jan Ischebeck
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>>Von: pythonce-bounces+jan.ischebeck=p3-gmbh.de at python.org im Auftrag von Dmitry Belyaev
>>Gesendet: Mo 30-Jan-06 21:26
>>An: pythonce at python.org
>>Betreff: [PythonCE] xml support
>> 
>>Yesterday I decided to write simple xml-parsing application. Tried 
>>"xml.sax" and "xml.dom.minidom" modules. Program using "xml.sax" module 
>>printed "No parsers found" while desktop version worked fine. I
>>Is there in PythonCE any working xml-parser or I have to parse xml by hands?
>>_______________________________________________
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>>PythonCE at python.org
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