[Pythonmac-SIG] MacPython 2.3 - Carbon only?
Nathan Heagy
nathan@vividworks.com
Fri, 4 Jan 2002 15:31:14 -0600 (CST)
> I do not know our break down of OS customers. One thing we keep in mind is
> we want to run on hand-me-down systems. Dad/Mom got the latest and greatest,
> John/Susie gets this box. So the trend is towards Mac OS x...with new
> boxes. But because of our lag with hand-me-down machines, we also lag behind
> the trends.
That's an interesting point. Kids *do* tend to get hand me downs. iMacs
work particularly good because they're do durable (unlike some of the more
damaged PCs I've seen).
Nathan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nathan Heagy [mailto:nathan@vividworks.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:54 AM
> To: Magladry, Stephen
> Cc: 'Jack Jansen'; pythonmac-sig@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Pythonmac-SIG] MacPython 2.3 - Carbon
> only?
>
> Fair enough. Also very interesting. Sounds like you are
> using Python's RAD
> properties well.
>
> While there is a big difference in time between 3 years and
> 6 years in
> terms of technology both are very old. For certain halving
> the minimum age
> of supported OSes would not cut you off from half your
> potential
> customers. Please don't get angry with me for pressing the
> issue, I am
> mearly curious. Do you know how many of your customers use
> these older
> versions of your OSes?
>
> Also the issue is complicated by the trends of Macintosh
> users. PC users
> tend to accept that a 3 year old OS is obsolete. To compound
> that PC
> developers already have a larger audience so they do not
> feel as much
> pressure to reach all of their potential customers. Mac
> users tend to
> expect their machines to be supported longer.
>
> Just as when Apple started using PowerPC CPUs something
> similar is
> occuring now with the transition to OS X. For the next few
> years Mac OSes
> will be obsolete earlier than the generations before them.
>
> Nathan
>
>
>
> On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Magladry, Stephen wrote:
>
> > Our cross platform code is already under development. Our
> first title is to
> > be released in about nine months. True 2.3 wouldn't be
> usable for us at that
> > time, but this engine will be reused many times, maybe
> even concurrently
> > with this first project. So a release three months after
> the release of 2.3
> > wouldn't be totally out of the question. That would make
> 8.6 not even 3 and
> > a half years old. Our current support of System 7.5.5,
> released in August
> > 1996, makes our support go back almost 6 years. 3 and a
> half years, even 4
> > years, is considerably shorter that 6 years.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nathan Heagy
> [mailto:nathan@vividworks.com]
> > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:17 AM
> > To: Magladry, Stephen
> > Cc: 'Jack Jansen';
> pythonmac-sig@python.org
> > Subject: RE: [Pythonmac-SIG]
> MacPython 2.3 - Carbon
> > only?
> >
> > > 1. MacPython wouldn't run on
> 8.5 anymore
> > (for 8.1 MacPython
> > > 2.2 is the last release anyway), and on
> 8.6 you would need
> > to manually
> > > install CarbonLib.
> >
> > I stand corrected. Since I do think that
> Carbon is the right
> > way to go let
> > me then say this: while, "8.6 is only about
> 2 and a half
> > years old," that
> > is only right now. Python 2.3 will probably
> not be released
> > for nine
> > months judging from 2.1's release. Add to
> that the
> > development time for a
> > kids' game - perhaps a year - and at that
> point 8.6 will be
> > nearly five
> > years old.
> >
> > Nathan
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Nathan Heagy
> > [mailto:nathan@vividworks.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, January 04,
> 2002 11:03 AM
> > > To: Magladry, Stephen
> > > Cc: 'Jack Jansen';
> > pythonmac-sig@python.org
> > > Subject: RE:
> [Pythonmac-SIG]
> > MacPython 2.3 - Carbon
> > > only?
> > >
> > > I think that this only
> limits what platform
> > can be used for
> > > development. I
> > > expect to be corrected if
> I'm wrong however.
> > >
> > > Nathan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 4 Jan 2002,
> Magladry, Stephen wrote:
> > >
> > > > I guess I'll be a voice of
> dissention. I
> > work for a game
> > > company writing
> > > > kids software. We try to
> keep our min
> > specs as broad as
> > > possible. As a point
> > > > of reference, our current
> min specs is
> > 7.5.5. In our up
> > > coming games we plan
> > > > to use Python. A
> requirement of 8.6 cuts
> > into our
> > > potential market. Also,
> > > > 8.6 is only about 2 and a
> half years old.
> > > >
> > > > True we can just stay with
> 2.2, but there
> > may be some
> > > feature in 2.3 that we
> > > > may really want to use. At
> that time, we
> > would be stuck
> > > between a rock
> > > > (wanting the new feature)
> and a hard place
> > (Having our min
> > > spec jump up).
> > > >
> > > >
> -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jack
> Jansen
> > [mailto:jack@oratrix.nl]
> > > > Sent:
> Thursday, January
> > 03, 2002 2:47 PM
> > > > To:
> > pythonmac-sig@python.org
> > > > Subject:
> > [Pythonmac-SIG] MacPython
> > > 2.3 - Carbon only?
> > > >
> > > > Folks,
> > > > I'm toying
> with the idea of
> > making MacPython
> > > 2.3
> > > > Carbon-only, as this
> > > > would save a
> lot of
> > development effort. And
> > > there are a lot
> > > > of things
> > > > I'd like to
> do, for one
> > thing I would like
> > > all our MacPython
> > > > goodies
> > > > to run
> natively in
> > MachoPython by the time
> > > 2.3 is released.
> > > >
> > > > There are
> two drawbacks to
> > this plan:
> > > > 1. MacPython
> wouldn't run on
> > 8.5 anymore
> > > (for 8.1 MacPython
> > > > 2.2 is the
> > > > last release
> anyway), and on
> > 8.6 you would
> > > need to manually
> > > > install
> > > > CarbonLib.
> > > > 2. Tkinter
> is going to be a
> > problem, but I
> > > think it is a
> > > > solvable
> > > > problem (it
> is possible to
> > load
> > > InterfaceLib-based code into
> > > > a
> > > >
> CarbonLib-based main
> > program).
> > > >
> > > > What do
> people think?
> > > > --
> > > > Jack Jansen
> |
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> > > >
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> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
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