So I'm about to try building Python 2.3b1 from source. -- Russell If you build from source you may want to make one tempory change in = Tkinter.py, line 1572. ....str(tcl_version) = http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=3Ddetail&aid=3D729317&group= _id=3D5470&atid=3D105470 Larry