[Pythonmac-SIG] Mac User Python newbies

[Brian Lenihan]

On Feb 8, 2005, at 10:50 PM, Roger Binns wrote:

>> Yeah, exactly.  There's not even twice as many Windows projects as 
>> Mac OS X projects, and far more Linux projects that Windows projects.
>
> Note that it didn't include Windows 98 or the generic Win32 category
> (trying to categorise a project on SourceForge is a real pain!)
>
>>> It doesn't matter how cheap and fast it is for 5% of the market.
>> Sure it does, if you release OS X first it can fund Windows 
>> development and testing.  Worked fine for us.
>
> A counterpoint (see 1/3 of the way in)
>
>  http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000051.html
>
> wxPython certainly goes a decent amount of the way towards his 
> underlying
> message.  And MacOS is on a nice uptick since that was written.  This
> is all just proof of the network effect and what it takes to overcome
> it (perseverence).
>
> Some other food for thought:
>
>   http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000017.html
>   http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Platforms.html
>   http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000020.html
>   http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/APIWar.html
>   http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000052.html
>
> It is all our interest to make Mac a better platform and to make
> it very easy to write code that just works on Mac and elsewhere.
> One of the things I am proud of in BitPim is the almost equal(*)
> seamless support of all platforms.  As a developer, operating
> systems and APIs matter to me.  But as a user, they are irrelevant.
> You want programs to just work on whatever is connected to your mouse,
> keyboard and screen.
>
> (*) The Mac is the least equal due to wxWidgets and me not being
> able to get a reasonably priced Mac.  The Mac mini fixed the latter
> and OSAF paid for some of the former.
>
>> I think we're probably going to have real GNUStep support for PyObjC 
>> sometime in the next few months.. though I'm not sure whether the 
>> NeXT roots count as Mac or not.
>
> I did have it in my draft email, but couldn't find suitable Python
> bindings.  I'd be happy to count it as Mac.  Which incidentally is
> one of the annoying things come fresh to Mac as a developer.  There
> is all this legacy NS crap!  It is *nowhere* near as bad as the
> legacy in Windows though, or even the Linuxisms :-)
>
> Roger
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After all that, I'd like to say this: BitPim is pretty impressive, 
despite its dependency on DSV.  I have a $5.00 a month ATT plan that 
precludes me from enjoying any of the benefits with my personal cell 
phone (hate), but that does not prevent me from enjoying the benefits 
with my jewel-encrusted corporate-supplied phone.

If I was getting more than 4 hours, on average, of sleep, I'd consider 
helping, but I'm getting too old to live like this.  Some things, no 
matter how beautiful, must be admired from afar.

If life was fair, I'd have sold all of my stock at the perfect time and 
given half of the proceeds to Fredrik Lund[1] and the other half to Bob 
Ippolito, and the rest to Jack Jansen.  I'd even have kicked a few 
bucks to Just.  And Guido, well he will just have to wait until he gets 
to heaven, where I am sure he will get his just rewards.

[1] I did manage to kick a few bucks Fredrik's way and got a really 
crappy yo-yo in return, but I will always cherish it.