[Pythonmac-SIG] Pythonmac-SIG Digest, Vol 36, Issue 60
Jon Schull
jschull at softlock.com
Thu Apr 20 14:35:38 CEST 2006
> I think it should be an Apple with a bite out of it--get it? Apple,
> snake, apple, byte <grin>.
> I kill myself ;-) Okay obviously I need to shut up and go away
> now...Bye.
Actually, I think you nailed it...
Apple, snake, tree of knowledge....
Two possible layouts are suggested by these images:
http://www.fotosearch.com/BDX108/bxp26159/
http://it.rit.edu/~jis/pylogo/pylogo.png
(if only I could really draw...)
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> 1. Re: Fwd: MacPython icon mockup (Brendan Simons)
> 2. Re: Someone had PIL trouble on i386 10.4.6 Python 2.4 IIRC--I
> succeeded this evening (Christopher Barker)
> 3. Re: Fwd: MacPython icon mockup (Christopher Barker)
> 4. Re: Fwd: MacPython icon mockup (Daniel Lord)
> 5. Re: Fwd: MacPython icon mockup (Jacob Rus)
> 6. Re: Unintsaller for Universal (kevin parks)
> 7. Re: Fwd: MacPython icon mockup (Jacob Rus)
> 8. Re: Fwd: MacPython icon mockup (Daniel Lord)
>
> From: Brendan Simons <brendansimons at yahoo.ca>
> Date: April 20, 2006 12:37:41 AM EDT
> To: pythonmac-sig at python.org, Jacob Rus <jrus at fas.harvard.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup
>
>
>
> On 20-Apr-06, at 12:15 AM, pythonmac-sig-request at python.org wrote:
>
>> From: Jacob Rus <jrus at fas.harvard.edu>
>> Date: April 19, 2006 10:06:34 PM EDT (CA)
>> To: pythonmac-sig at python.org
>> Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup
>>
>>
>> Bill Janssen wrote:
>>>> No, I disagree. If there is any text, it should be in dark gray 18
>>>> point Lucida Grande, as per the HIG. XCode uses colored file
>>>> extensions in its document graphics because it deals with many
>>>> different types of source files, and this keeps them
>>>> distinguishable.
>>> It's not just XCode. *Users* deal with many different kinds of
>>> source files, and apparently the icons used in XCode are the ones
>>> that Mac OS X uses generically. For example, look at the Finder
>>> icon
>>> for a Java source file, and you'll see that the XCode icon is used
>>> there, as well.
>>
>> Yes, java source files get the xcode icons, because XCode is set
>> up on your machine as the editor for java files (and registered as
>> such with Launch Services). Similarly for c, etc. On my machine,
>> some of these get XCode document icons, and some get TextMate
>> document icons, because for me, TextMate is the editor for those
>> file types.
>>
>> You miss my point, which is that python files don't need giant
>> colored "py" splashed across them, if they have a distinguishable
>> python icon. XCode does not follow the HIG, because it makes
>> distinguishing c files from java files easier. Our new python
>> icon will not have this problem, because it only needs to
>> represent with one type of file.
>
> I agree completely.
>
>>
>>> The greeked source code in the background of the document
>>> indicates "source code", the file extension indicates the
>>> language, and the color apparently indicates something as well,
>>> though it's not clear (to me) just what.
>>
>> If you like, we could add some greeked source code. If we do,
>> then the pyo/pyc files will need something other than random 1s
>> and 0s to distinguish it, especially at small sizes. I'm open to
>> suggestions.
>
> I tried colourizing the document, but it's nearly impossible to
> find a colour that complements both the blue and yellow of the
> logo. You could darken the paper slightly (not so much that you
> couldn't read the word "DATA" though.
>
> Brendan
> --
> Brendan Simons
>
> From: Christopher Barker <Chris.Barker at noaa.gov>
> Date: April 20, 2006 12:39:25 AM EDT
> To: pythonmac-sig at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Someone had PIL trouble on i386 10.4.6
> Python 2.4 IIRC--I succeeded this evening
>
>
> Daniel Lord wrote:
>
>> That sound reasonable, but not what I did--I installed them in /
>> usr/ local/lib & include.
>
> I've done that, but the only way I could make sure that they got
> statically linked was to make sure that there were not dynamic
> versions of the same libs anywhere else on the search path, so I
> found it easier to put them in a special place, and it's always
> possible that I'd have the dynamic libs installed for some other
> reason.
>
> -Chris
>
>
>
> --
> Christopher Barker, Ph.D.
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> From: Christopher Barker <Chris.Barker at noaa.gov>
> Date: April 20, 2006 12:41:36 AM EDT
> To: pythonmac-sig at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup
>
>
> Jacob Rus wrote:
>> Christopher Barker wrote:
>> > They look great, but what the heck is "DATA"?
>> It was has's [idea][1] for what a .pyo/.pyc icons should look
>> like, similar to how script editor allows saving of plain
>> text .applescript files with an icon labeled "TEXT".
>
> Well, a script is text, but a .pyc file is not Data. Maybe
> "bytecode", which is too long, or "bytes" or "code" or ".pyc" or ???
>
> In fact, I think the ones-and-zeros background without any words
> might work just fine.
>
> -Chris
>
>
>
> --
> Christopher Barker, Ph.D.
> Oceanographer
>
> NOAA/OR&R/HAZMAT (206) 526-6959 voice
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> Seattle, WA 98115 (206) 526-6317 main reception
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>
>
> From: Daniel Lord <daniellord at mac.com>
> Date: April 20, 2006 1:33:22 AM EDT
> To: Christopher Barker <Chris.Barker at noaa.gov>
> Cc: pythonmac-sig at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup
>
>
>
> On Apr 19, 2006, at 21:41, Christopher Barker wrote:
>
>> Well, a script is text, but a .pyc file is not Data. Maybe
>> "bytecode",
>> which is too long, or "bytes" or "code" or ".pyc" or ???
>
> I think it should be an Apple with a bite out of it--get it? Apple,
> snake, apple, byte <grin>.
> I kill myself ;-) Okay obviously I need to shut up and go away
> now...Bye.
>
>
>
>
> From: Jacob Rus <jrus at fas.harvard.edu>
> Date: April 20, 2006 1:40:00 AM EDT
> To: pythonmac-sig at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup
>
>
> Christopher Barker wrote:
>> Jacob Rus wrote:
>>> Christopher Barker wrote:
>>> > They look great, but what the heck is "DATA"?
>>> It was has's [idea][1] for what a .pyo/.pyc icons should look
>>> like, similar to how script editor allows saving of plain
>>> text .applescript files with an icon labeled "TEXT".
>> Well, a script is text, but a .pyc file is not Data. Maybe
>> "bytecode", which is too long, or "bytes" or "code" or ".pyc" or ???
>> In fact, I think the ones-and-zeros background without any words
>> might work just fine.
>
> Easy enough: http://hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/python/pyc-icon-
> variations.png
>
> Which do you prefer?
>
> -Jacob
>
>
>
>
>
> From: kevin parks <kevin at macosx.com>
> Date: April 20, 2006 1:44:31 AM EDT
> To: pythonmac-sig at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Unintsaller for Universal
>
>
> thank you bob you rock!
>
> \m/ (>.<) \m/
>
> this totally works ... (for anyone else needing to dumb down to 2.4.1)
>
> cheers all...
>
> -kp--
>
>
>
> On Apr 20, 2006, at 1:02 AM, Bob Ippolito wrote:
>
>>
>> On Apr 19, 2006, at 7:55 PM, kevin parks wrote:
>>
>>> How do i uninstall 2.4.3?
>>> so that i can dial back to 2.4.1? or am i screwed?
>>
>> I don't think there were any plans for an uninstaller. Just
>> install 2.4.1 and everything will work fine, it'll overwrite
>> everything that needs to be overwritten.
>>
>> -bob
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Jacob Rus <jrus at fas.harvard.edu>
> Date: April 20, 2006 1:47:51 AM EDT
> To: pythonmac-sig at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup
>
>
> Brendan Simons wrote:
>> I like it, but Aqua has tuned down a lot its glassiness in recent
>> years. I would tone down the difference between highlights and
>> shadows myself, but I'm not going to argue about it :)
>
> You're probably right, but make sure you look at the actual icon
> files (in the zip files I linked to earlier) as well as the png
> files. There are some icc profile mismatch issues here, which I
> always seem to run into with png files (and it previews differently
> in Camino and Safari, for instance). The actual version may be
> duller than the preview you're seeing. Maybe I should post a
> screenshot instead of saving from photoshop.
>
> -Jacob
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Daniel Lord <daniellord at mac.com>
> Date: April 20, 2006 2:00:32 AM EDT
> To: Jacob Rus <jrus at fas.harvard.edu>
> Cc: pythonmac-sig at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup
>
>
>
> On Apr 19, 2006, at 22:47, Jacob Rus wrote:
>
>> Brendan Simons wrote:
>>> I like it, but Aqua has tuned down a lot its glassiness in recent
>>> years. I would tone down the difference between highlights and
>>> shadows
>>> myself, but I'm not going to argue about it :)
>>
>> You're probably right, but make sure you look at the actual icon
>> files
>> (in the zip files I linked to earlier) as well as the png files.
>> There
>> are some icc profile mismatch issues here, which I always seem to run
>> into with png files (and it previews differently in Camino and
>> Safari,
>> for instance). The actual version may be duller than the preview
>> you're
>> seeing. Maybe I should post a screenshot instead of saving from
>> photoshop.
>
> Jacob,
> I think your 'glassiness' is understated and fine. I never meant
> the extreme of the original colored iMac look.
> I think it adds a nice 3-D look especially in the smaller sizes and
> is under-stated enough to fit the Apple look of today with a little
> of a yellow and blue color Apple doesn't use. Could it be turned
> down a bit? Yeah I suppose. But there is a time to tweak and a time
> to move on when the diminishing returns of tweaking are vanishingly
> small and we can ignore subsequent terms in the series (flash-back
> to advanced engineering math ;-). Guess what time I think it is IMHO?
>
> Daniel
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