[Pythonmac-SIG] PyObjC and macOS 10.12 (Sierra)

[Andrew Jaffe]

On 12/10/2016 21:02, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
 >
 >> On 12 Oct 2016, at 21:09, Glyph Lefkowitz <glyph at twistedmatrix.com
 >> <mailto:glyph at twistedmatrix.com>> wrote:
 >>
 >>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Andrew Jaffe <a.h.jaffe at gmail.com
 >>> <mailto:a.h.jaffe at gmail.com>> wrote:
 >>>
 >>> Not me. If I understand correctly, Glyph -- who undoubtedly
 >>> understand the situation better than I do -- still thinks that
 >>> there's no actual bug here, since we shouldn't be using the framework
 >>> build this way, but I'm not sure I understand/agree...
 >>
 >> To be honest, I'm not 100% sure this is a good idea either; it's just
 >> that I know Donald Stufft has had a terrible time with Apple system
 >> python for several years, and he regards this as a positive change.
 >>  From my personal perspective, there's a good case to be made that a
 >> python in /System should just load from /System and one in /Library
 >> should load only from /Library, similar to the way --prefix works on
 >> "regular" UNIX.  But, this is what we've got :).
 >
 > I don’t mind if the /System python looks in /Library for stuff that the
 > user installed there, but I do consider it a bug that Apple installs
 > system files in /Library because that affects all installations of
 > Python 2.7.
 >
 > That’s what we get for playing nice with OSX conventions for where to
 > locate files :-(. Luckily this isn’t a problem for Python3 as Apple
 > doesn’t ship that (and I’d be surprised if they ever unless they start
 > shipping Python3 code as part of the OS).

Well, I did submit a radar, and although I'm not sure how far the NDA 
extends, I hope I can say that, unfortunately, I got a "behaves as 
intended" response...

Andrew