Opinion poll: feedback URL upon import
Andreas Mueller
amueller at ais.uni-bonn.de
Fri Apr 29 21:53:57 EDT 2016
There was some discussion about whether we could use jupyter to get some
feedback from users, i.e. a single opt-in for the jupyter
platform, instead one for each library (which would be pretty bad).
One method that I recently used was greping notebooks on github.
Unfortunately their API doesn't allow
global code searches. Their website does, though, if someone wants to
write a scraper ;)
I wonder if / how other open source libraries handle this. I guess boost
doesn't care ;)
But maybe web frameworks do? We could try tapping other scientific
computing communities like
julia or octave, or go out to web folks?
The scipy stack is probably not the only one that has this issue.
On 04/29/2016 03:41 AM, Stéfan van der Walt wrote:
> I guess this thread makes it clear what I should do: threaten to
> include such a message unless people send me usage reports :)
>
> Stéfan
>
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 at 00:06 Juan Nunez-Iglesias <jni.soma at gmail.com
> <mailto:jni.soma at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> -1, as others. The suggestions given so far are good: prominent
> message on the website, and in the main docstring.
>
> Juan.
>
>
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> Date: 26 April 2016 at 9:49:15 PM
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> Subject: Re: Opinion poll: feedback URL upon import
>
>> Noisy output at import is bad. In addition to the suggestions
>> previously made, what about also mentioning the feedback url in
>> the main docstring of skimage, something like here:
>> https://github.com/scikit-image/scikit-image/blob/master/skimage/__init__.py#L9
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Jaidev Deshpande
>> <deshpande.jaidev at gmail.com <mailto:deshpande.jaidev at gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 3:40 PM, 'Robin Wilson' via
>> scikit-image <scikit-image at googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:scikit-image at googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I agree with the others: please don't do this!
>>
>> However, being more obvious about wanting feedback, via
>> the website, mailing list, in conference presentations
>> etc, is definitely a good idea.
>>
>> Robin
>>
>> On Tuesday, 26 April 2016 08:05:42 UTC+1, Christoph wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I agree with Emma, as a scikit-image user, I would
>> find it annoying.
>> Especially if it catches on and many other Python
>> packages start doing the same.
>>
>> It’s probably very rare, but if people check the text
>> output of their library or application and use
>> scikit-image somewhere, this could even break their
>> test build.
>>
>> In Astropy there has also been some discussion about
>> how to get feedback from users. There the discussion
>> was more along the lines of wanting to collect info
>> which platform, versions are in use, and which
>> sub-packages and functions in the Astropy package are
>> used. I.e. there was discussion about adding some
>> code to send such usage stats info to a server, like
>> many apps do. This didn’t happen, I think the idea
>> has been dropped.
>>
>> It would be very nice and important to get more
>> feedback from users!
>>
>> But it seems to me that asking for it on the website
>> like Emma proposes or in conversations and
>> presentations might be the safer way.
>>
>> Christoph
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 26 Apr 2016, at 08:49, Emmanuelle Gouillart
>>> <emmanuelle... at nsup.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Stéfan
>>>
>>> I'm quite against it, since it's a feature that
>>> would push scikit-image
>>> to be more an application and less a self-standing
>>> library: we would like
>>> any other package to be able to import skimage in
>>> their code without
>>> bothering about such messages. Indeed, such a
>>> message at import is only
>>> useful/relevant for people that use scikit-image
>>> deliberately and as an
>>> important part of their workflow, not so much for
>>> people that import
>>> skimage in another projects, or that just use a
>>> couple of functions of
>>> scikit-image (but it's not the core part of their
>>> workflow). I consider
>>> it important for scikit-image to be a versatile
>>> block of the ecosystem,
>>> and not only an application at the end of the "food
>>> chain".
>>>
>>> We could advertise the feedback form in a different
>>> way, for example by
>>> making it very visible on the website. With 20000
>>> unique visitors coming
>>> to the website every month, I hope that we could get
>>> some feedback...
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Emma
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:29:03PM +0000, Stéfan van
>>> der Walt wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>> It has been difficult to discover use cases of
>>>> scikit-image out in the wild
>>>> (even though I know they are plentiful, and users
>>>> would excitedly tell me about
>>>> them at conferences once the topic is broached).
>>>
>>>> So, I was wondering if it would be considered bad
>>>> form to print a message upon
>>>> importing scikit-image, something along the lines of:
>>>
>>>> "Thank you for using scikit-image v0.12! Please
>>>> help us by telling us about
>>>> your use-case at
>>>> http://scikit-image.org/feedback?v=0.12.3"
>>>
>>>> Thanks for your feedback,
>>>
>>>> Stéfan
>>>
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>> How about posting this message when skimage is installed? It
>> could be added to the setup.py script. But that would be
>> visible only for users installing skimage from source, since
>> pip / conda / enpkg would most probably suppress the message.
>>
>> Would it make sense to add a message in the LICENSE file?
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