[SciPy-Dev] changing scipy.org to just be about SciPy the library

[Ralf Gommers]

I just noticed my reply went only to Joe, so resending:



On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 10:53 PM Ralf Gommers <ralf.gommers at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
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> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 3:20 PM Joe Harrington <jh at physics.ucf.edu> wrote:
>
>> I'm not against it, but the stuff at the top of the page about related
>> libraries, docs, getting started, etc. should not disappear, though it
>> might move to another site, or be at the head of all the related sites.
>> Since NumPy is the base package, and is now better known than SciPy,
>> perhaps that material can move there.  I think it would be a mistake to
>> have one page per package and not to let new users know what the other
>> packages are, how they fit together, how to get docs that describe using
>> them together, how to connect to the community, etc.
>>
>
> Agreed. I think the plan is to move that to pydata.org (seems preferred
> by most), or otherwise a new site with an appropriate name.
>
> For a long time I've held off on proposing changes to scipy.org until we
> had that new site up. As a result though, we've just had a confusing
> scipy.org for way too long. So I've changed my mind on making a whole new
> site a pre-requisite for updating the current one. SciPy the project
> deserves a decent site that's less confusing than today.
>
> Also, there should be no confusion on a well written and well designed
>> site.  The text can concisely communicate that "SciPy" refers both to a
>> specific package and to the community of packages, other resources, and
>> people.
>>
>
> +1 we definitely need to add that.
>
>> Whether it's "SciPy" or not, we need a term for this ecosystem.  It isn't
>> the worst thing in the world to change the term, especially as use has
>> spread from science to pretty much everything numerical.  We've used
>> "Python Numerical Core" in a recent funding proposal and community white
>> paper.  "Numerical Python" is shorter, though the term has some history
>> from the early days.  I don't (yet!) have a strong opinion on what the term
>> should be, as long as it is relatively short, descriptive, and obvious.
>>
>> It isn't even clear to me that the term itself needs its own web page,
>> though of course that's a possibility.  I think most people will land in
>> our universe either by googling the term "numpy" or something like "python
>> math library" (which might take them to the wrong place at first), or going
>> to numpy.org, following someone's advice or a link.  Wherever users are
>> likely to land should have some intro material about the ecosystem at the
>> top, and not just dive into the specifics of that module, as numpy.org
>> does, currently.
>>
> The new numpy.org is on the way, I think you'll like it. If you or anyone
> else wants a preview, building the `newsite` branch of
> https://github.com/numpy/numpy.org with Hugo is straightforward:)
>
> Cheers,
> Ralf
>
>
>
>> --jh--
>> On 9/24/19 5:59 AM, Ralf Gommers wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> The https://scipy.org/ website has always been about SciPy the ecosystem
>> not SciPy the project/library, and it's always resulted in confusion. I
>> propose we finally change that.  From my review of a recent PR [1] to the
>> scipy.org website repo:
>>
>> """
>> Perhaps the confusing thing here is that https://scipy.org is about
>> "SciPy the ecosystem" rather than "SciPy the library". That's what we would
>> really like to fix, then this becomes a lot more straightforward. So far I
>> had in mind to have a replacement "ecosystem site" before changing
>> scipy.org, however we could go without that. There really isn't that
>> much content on the current site that we'd have to remove, and some of the
>> things that are there now (like SciPy Stack) have become irrelevant. We
>> could easily say that `scipy.org` will be about SciPy the library, while
>> keeping a page like https://scipy.org/about.html that explains the
>> ecosystem context.
>> """
>>
>> Besides some news about and doc hosting for NumPy releases, there's not
>> much content about other projects, and those other projects don't seem to
>> care. The "ecosystem" thing really has had its time. "SciPy ecosystem"
>> isn't even a preferred term anymore I think, the "scientific" is seen as
>> too narrow by a lot of people. PyData or NumPy would be better qualifiers
>> (or some new umbrella term).
>>
>> We may not be able to do all the work straight away, but I want to get
>> approval for the decision to make scipy.org about the SciPy project now.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ralf
>>
>> [1] https://github.com/scipy/scipy.org/pull/309
>>
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