[spambayes-dev] [Spambayes] FW: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO T HIS EMAIL _ IT I S VERYIMPORTANT

OConchubhair, Andoni Andoni.OConchubhair at fmr.com
Mon Jun 30 15:16:59 CEST 2008


I did not post anything that I want removed. I understand what a public
mailing list is and how it works. I am not writing about me but about the
many people who post to this list each month distressed because their
information is available to all and sundry on the web.

You phrase it in such a way as to make the user sound like a complete idiot
and yet the fact that so many people seem to be experiencing this difficulty
on a regular basis shows that it does not take any exceptional
characteristics to make this simple mistake. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond at skippinet.com.au] 
Sent: 30 June 2008 14:09
To: OConchubhair, Andoni; 'Amedee Van Gasse'
Cc: spambayes at python.org; spambayes-dev at python.org
Subject: RE: [spambayes-dev] [Spambayes] FW: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO

> The application that needs to be changed is not SpamBayes but 
> rather the page where I fill in my email address in order to 
> join the mailing list. On that page it has one simple sentence 
> to let the user know that what they are going to do will 
> disseminate information to the entire internet irretrievably.
> It is IMHO just not enough.

So let me get this straight:  You posted to the spambayes mailing list, but
it failed to be delivered as you weren't a member of the mailing list.  It
directed you to a mailing list subscription page, where the second line
tells you this is a mailing list that is public to the world.  However,
after all of that, you still didn't know it was a mailing list?  You want a
checkbox on the mailing list subscription page that says, basically, "I
don't know what a mailing list is, and I haven't read a single word of this
page - subscribe me anyway?"
Is there something I'm missing?


-----Original Message----- 
From: Amedee Van Gasse [mailto:amedee at amedee.be] 
Sent: 30 June 2008 13:41 
To: OConchubhair, Andoni 
Cc: spambayes at python.org; spambayes-dev at python.org 
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] FW: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT I S
On Mon, June 30, 2008 14:28, OConchubhair, Andoni wrote: 
> I agree completely. The distress is self-inflicted. Just like when I close

> Microsoft Word accidentally after spending a whole day typing my report 
> and 
> thereby loose an entire day's work, but I don't because it reminds my 
> tired 
> head to click 'Save'. 
> Fortunately for me, software can easily be written to help with human 
> situations. It is one of the over-riding principals of good software 
> development that software should be written to suit the human condition 
> rather than the humans having to change the way they are to accommodate 
> the 
> software (or any machine for that matter) hence we have safety guards on 
> chain-saws and air-bags in cars. 
I'm confused about which software should be changed. Spambayes? 
I use the procmail filter at home and the outlook plugin at work, and 
neither provide a method for subscribing to the spambayes mailing list. 
However you do have one valid point of criticism. The Outlook package 
provides a link to a local html page: 
There I read the following text: 
Send a mail 
If all else fails, you may want to send someone a mail. Please make sure 
you have read this document thoroughly before doing do. 
Your mail should be sent to the SpamBayes mailing list 
(spambayes at python.org). Please do not mail any of the contributors 
directly! (see "good karma" below). 
Please ensure this mail contains: 
the version of Windows you are using, 
the version of SpamBayes, 
any log files. 
If you also mention that you read this trouble-shooting guide and are 
still stuck, then you will be more likely to get answered! (And if you can 
subscribe to this mailing list and help answer other questions, and good 
karma will come your way!) 
There is no mention about the fact that the mailing list is public on the 
local documentation page. So I would rather agree if someone would call 
this a "bug" in the documentation. This should be changed as soon as 
possible. I'm going to subscribe to the dev-list to request this. 
However on the website, near every occurrence I could find of the mailing 
list address, it is mentioned that it is a public mailing list. So there I 
would respectfully disagree with you if you say that the website should be 
changed. (correct me if I'm wrong) 

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