[Spambayes] Two Stage Plan
Gary Robinson
grobinson at transpose.com
Wed Dec 18 15:09:12 EST 2002
> I'm currently working for a company in the transaction tracking and
> aggregation business. Transactions under about 5 cents still are a
> net loss to the vendor, even with significant volumes. The service
> cost is high enough to keep the company afloat (that is, significant).
Ah good. Now we can talk about something interesting.
What is the basis of the 5 cents? Where does it go?
My thinking is that if MS is controlling the whole thing, putting $.01 from
one person's account to another will take less overhead than an email, which
costs nothing. I.e., I think the complexity comes in when multiple companies
are involved. It is one more reason why such a solution would increase MS's
monopoly power.
>> Right you can get maybe a factor of 10 or 15 that way. Spammers would
>> need a factor of thousands.
>
> Funny... the camram site quotes an expected factor of 500. Darn close
> to your 'thousands'.
Thanks for the correction, which I will keep in mind. It doesn't change the
argument, however.
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> From: "T. Alexander Popiel" <popiel@wolfskeep.com>
> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 12:02:40 -0800
> To: Gary Robinson <grobinson@transpose.com>
> Cc: popiel@wolfskeep.com
> Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Two Stage Plan
>
> Taking this off the list, since it's getting down to
> 'is so!' 'is not!' exchanges. ;-)
>
> In message: <BA263176.1AE9E%grobinson@transpose.com>
> Gary Robinson <grobinson@transpose.com> writes:
>>
>>> If the money is being verified, then you have a money clearinghouse
>>> problem... which leads right back to the subscription service.
>>
>> There would be a subscription, but it would not need to cost much at all. It
>> would not have to be a significant barrier. it would probably be part of an
>> overall subscription that included software updates, etc. As should know, MS
>> is moving toward a "software rental" model.
>
> I'm currently working for a company in the transaction tracking and
> aggregation business. Transactions under about 5 cents still are a
> net loss to the vendor, even with significant volumes. The service
> cost is high enough to keep the company afloat (that is, significant).
>
> Yes, MS is moving to a rental model. Many people are moving away
> from MS (or just staying with old versions) because of it.
>
>>> First, not all computers are created equal; what's 15 seconds on my
>>> PentiumII is 5 seconds on my Athlon. Or less than a second on an
>>> FPGA programmed for the purpose. There's no way to tell how much
>>> someone actually spent on the 'coin'.
>>
>> Right you can get maybe a factor of 10 or 15 that way. Spammers would
>> need a factor of thousands.
>
> Funny... the camram site quotes an expected factor of 500. Darn close
> to your 'thousands'.
>
> Also, to defend against such attacks, they suggest changing the puzzle
> on an irregular basis... leading back to the upgrade/subscription
> problem.
>
> - Alex
>
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