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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:50:27 -0200
From: "Tiago Estill de Noronha" <TiagoTiago at Globo.com>
Subject: RES: [Spambayes] n-way in outlook?
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Thanx for the answer
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=20
*********************
Tiago Estill de Noronha
TiagoTiago at Globo.com
-=3D> -----Mensagem original-----
-=3D> De: spambayes-bounces at python.org=20
-=3D> [mailto:spambayes-bounces at python.org] Em nome de Skip Montanaro
-=3D> Enviada em: domingo, 30 de novembro de 2003 20:15
-=3D> Para: Tiago Estill de Noronha
-=3D> Cc: spambayes at python.org
-=3D> Assunto: Re: [Spambayes] n-way in outlook?
-=3D>=20
-=3D>=20
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-=3D> Tiago> have some1 made a n-way classification code for=20
-=3D> using with the
-=3D> Tiago> outlook plugin?
-=3D>=20
-=3D> Not that I'm aware of.
-=3D>=20
-=3D> Tiago> or does the nway code on the contrib folder=20
-=3D> works on outlook?=20
-=3D>=20
-=3D> Nope. nway.py is just a simple demo I wrote. Since I'm=20
-=3D> not an Outlook user, I made no attempt to make it work with=20
-=3D> Outlook. After playing with it a bit, I'm not convinced=20
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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:35:28 -0800
From: Tony Lownds <tony-bayes at lownds.com>
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] sb_imapfilter.py AssertionError: hamcount <=3D
nham
To: papaDoc <papaDoc at videotron.ca>, spambayes at python.org
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At 10:57 AM -0500 12/1/03, papaDoc wrote:
>Hi Tony,
>
>>> This error says that you have a token in your database that has
>>>appeared in more ham than you have trained it on - which isn't possibl=
e.
>>
>>
>>Ah... while training it said 14 ham trained, while classifying it=20
>>only said 10 ham.
>
>Do you force the training (i.e. use the -f switch) ?
>sb_mboxtrain -f
I'm using sb_imapfilter.py, no sb_mboxtrain. sb_imapfilter.py does=20
not have an -f switch. I removed spambayes.messageinfo.db before=20
running the training database. That should do the same thing as -f,=20
right?
Here are the commands I use to reproduce this:
[tony ~]$ rm hammie.db spambayes.messageinfo.db
[tony ~]$ /usr/bin/sb_imapfilter.py -t
[tony ~]$ /usr/bin/sb_imapfilter.py -c
I found something else that is interesting. When I train again, it=20
trains 4 more messages, which should have been trained already. Here=20
I train twice in a row and it trains 8 more messages each time:
[tony ~]$ /usr/bin/sb_imapfilter.py -t
SpamBayes IMAP Filter Beta1, version 0.1 (September 2003),
using SpamBayes IMAP Filter Web Interface Alpha2, version 0.02
and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003).
Loading state from hammie.db database
hammie.db is an existing database, with 45 spam and 12 ham
Loading database hammie.db... Done.
Training
Training ham folder INBOX.Ham
.......***...*.. 4 trained.
Training spam folder INBOX.Spam
..............***...................*........ 4 trained.
Persisting hammie.db state in database
Training took 0.65074801445 seconds, 8 messages were trained
[tony ~]$ /usr/bin/sb_imapfilter.py -t
SpamBayes IMAP Filter Beta1, version 0.1 (September 2003),
using SpamBayes IMAP Filter Web Interface Alpha2, version 0.02
and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003).
Loading state from hammie.db database
hammie.db is an existing database, with 45 spam and 12 ham
Loading database hammie.db... Done.
Training
Training ham folder INBOX.Ham
.......***...*.. 4 trained.
Training spam folder INBOX.Spam
..............***...................*........ 4 trained.
Persisting hammie.db state in database
Training took 0.65074801445 seconds, 8 messages were trained
I'll try to figure out why sp_imapfilter.py is retraining those messages.
-Tony
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 12:56:55 -0600
From: Tim Stone <tim at fourstonesExpressions.com>
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] sb_imapfilter.py AssertionError: hamcount <=3D
nham
To: Tony Lownds <tony-bayes at lownds.com>, papaDoc
<papaDoc at videotron.ca>, spambayes at python.org
Message-ID: <oprzimw5cdit6vze at mail.fourstonesExpressions.com>
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On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:35:28 -0800, Tony Lownds <tony-bayes at lownds.com>=20
wrote:
>
>
> At 10:57 AM -0500 12/1/03, papaDoc wrote:
>> Hi Tony,
>>
>>>> This error says that you have a token in your database that has
>>>> appeared in more ham than you have trained it on - which isn't=20
>>>> possible.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ah... while training it said 14 ham trained, while classifying it onl=
y=20
>>> said 10 ham.
>>
>> Do you force the training (i.e. use the -f switch) ?
>> sb_mboxtrain -f
>
> I'm using sb_imapfilter.py, no sb_mboxtrain. sb_imapfilter.py does not=20
> have an -f switch. I removed spambayes.messageinfo.db before running th=
e=20
> training database. That should do the same thing as -f, right?
Not necessarily. If you remove the messageinfo db, then sb has forgotten=
=20
what messages it has already trained on, and will quite possibly train a=20
message that should otherwise be ignored... If you do this, then you mus=
t=20
start with a completely new training database as well...
> --
Vous exprimer; Expr=E9sese; Te stesso esprimere; Express yourself!
Tim Stone
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 08:50:38 +1100
From: "Neomatrix" <track at neomatrix.com.au>
Subject: [Spambayes] Feature request (for payment)
To: <spambayes at python.org>
Message-ID: <001401c3b855$2876a160$0200a8c0 at Inspiron5150>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"
Hello.
Great product.
Did I mention you have a great product?
=20
One itsy bitsy feature request, for which I will be happy to make a donat=
ion
or payment of sorts. and it is perhaps one that others may appreciate.
=20
When mail is directed to the Junk folder, it is still marked UNREAD. This
means it catches the eye, and must be 'cleared', which removes some of th=
e
effectiveness in the product.
=20
Can I ask that you (or smarter people than I who can actually code) add a
check box option or similar, which allows for AUTOMATED clearing of junk
mail, setting the read flag to READ. Even if you direct it straight to
deleted folder, it still has a bold UNREAD indicator, so I keep getting
excited thinking I have mail and somebody loves me, but instead it is jus=
t
somebody suggesting I have a small penis and should consider their produc=
ts
(spam) etc.
=20
Thank you,
=20
Chris
=20
So give me a suggested donation and account details or I will go to paypa=
l
link on your site
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 17:02:35 -0500
From: "Kenny Pitt" <kennypitt at hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Feature request (for payment)
To: "'Neomatrix'" <track at neomatrix.com.au>, <spambayes at python.org>
Message-ID: <Law11-OE39tJLtosJ3I000000fb at hotmail.com>
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Neomatrix wrote:
> Great product.
>=20
> Did I mention you have a great product?
Glad you like it.
> When mail is directed to the Junk folder, it is still marked UNREAD.
> This means it catches the eye, and must be 'cleared', which removes
> some of the effectiveness in the product.
>=20
> Can I ask that you (or smarter people than I who can actually code)
> add a check box option or similar, which allows for AUTOMATED
> clearing of junk mail, setting the read flag to READ.
I assume that you are running the Outlook plugin, but you don't mention
what version. The latest version (0.81) has a checkbox labeled "Mark
spam as read" on the Filtering tab of SpamBayes Manager. This option
should do what you are asking. Be warned, however, that Outlook's new
mail envelope icon will still be shown even if all you have is spam.
--=20
Kenny Pitt
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:07:15 -0800=20
From: "Givens, Dallas" <dgivens at channellcorp.com>
Subject: [Spambayes] Where do the rejects go?
To: "'spambayes at python.org'" <spambayes at python.org>
Message-ID: <2C68E1F1B3E3D1118A1D0008C7244C92032635A1 at CHANNELLCOMM>
Content-Type: text/plain
I am running a Windows 2000 system which has Office XP. I have installed
the outlook plugin and have forwarded junk email from our exchange server
into my email account. The email went into the Junk Suspects folder and =
I
deleted them as spam. I then deleted them from the junk folder and the
deleted items folder. After that, I forwarded the exact same email from =
the
exchange server again but this time it does not show up anywhere.
Therefore, what I want to know is where are they going now? Are they bei=
ng
permanently deleted? If so, is there a way to have them deleted only to =
the
deleted items folder? Your help would be greatly appreciated.
=20
Thank you,
=20
Dallas Givens
Desktop Administrator
CHANNELL Commercial
26040 Ynez Road
Temecula, CA. 92589
Office: (909) 719-2600 X2733
Cell: (760) 415-7510
=20
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:30:16 +1300
From: "Tony Meyer" <tameyer at ihug.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Outlook 97 and SpamBayes
To: "'Tamara Blatny'" <Tblatny at gasketeng.com>, <spambayes at python.org>
Message-ID:
<1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B1C1 at its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"
> We are using WinNT 4.0, Office 97, and I just installed the=20
> latest version of Spam Bayes. I don't have any log files. =20
> My problem is that I'm not seeing SpamBayes in my Outlook.=20
> Thank you for any assistance.
What mail program are you using? If it's Outlook 97, and you're trying t=
o
use the Outlook plug-in, you're out of luck (it works with Outlook 2000 a=
nd
above). You can use the pop3 proxy or imap filter (assuming you get mail
via pop3 or imap) instead, although you don't get the same integrated
experience as with the plug-in.
=3DTony Meyer
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:15:48 -0500
From: "Rick King" <rking at preflightventures.com>
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Load Problem - Pls Help
To: <spambayes at python.org>
Message-ID: <NEBBIIAGAKHJJOJHNHIBEECOGNAA.rking at preflightventures.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"
it says it gets installed, all the files show up on the hard drive, but
then:
a) there are no buttons or change in the menu ((Windows 98) indicating S=
pam
detection
b) the box below in item #3 is not checked even though it shows up every
time. BUT every time I check it and try to close or hit OK or reboot, it
shows up again as that same box not being checked?!
PROBLEM: Addin doesn't load
When you start Outlook, there is no Anti-Spam item in the toolbar. To
resolve this:
If you are running a binary version, then perform the following steps:
1. Start Outlook, and select Tools->Options to display the main Options
dialog.
Select the tab labelled Other, then click on the Advanced button.
2. Click on the COM Add-Ins button.
If the SpamBayes addin is not listed, then SpamBayes should be reinstalle=
d
(Note that running regsvr32.exe spambayes_addin.dll from the SpamBayes
directory may also solve this problem)
** 3. If the SpamBayes addin is listed but not checked, then simply chec=
k
it and close the dialog.
4. If the SpamBayes addin is listed and checked, but still not working a=
nd
still not creating log files, then I am stumped!
Plesae send any help! It seems like it is very near to being set up righ=
t.
Thnaks,
- Rcik
__________________________________
Rick King
PreFlight Ventures
(919) 806-1166
rking at preflightventures.com
www.preflightventures.com
Based in Research Triangle Park, NC, PreFlight Ventures helps entreprene=
urs
and new ventures grow their business through corporate partnering,
technology licensing, and acquisitions. In addition, we provide coaching
tools for entrepreneurs such as audio PreFlight PowerTips
(www.preflightpowertips.com) and lead national workshops on "The Art of
Telling Your Story", commercialization, and "Doing Smart Deals." <><
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:25:47 +1300
From: "Tony Meyer" <tameyer at ihug.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Load Problem - Pls Help
To: "'Rick King'" <rking at preflightventures.com>,
<spambayes at python.org>
Message-ID:
<1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B1C3 at its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"
[...]
> PROBLEM: Addin doesn't load
> When you start Outlook, there is no Anti-Spam item in the toolbar. To
> resolve this:
[...]
What version are you trying to install? This sounds like an old one.
Please ensure that you are using the latest version (008.1). Please also
note that the Outlook plug-in requires Outlook 2000 or above.
=3DTony Meyer
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:38:45 -0800
From: "Tom Larkin" <Tom.Larkin at pacificedge.com>
Subject: [Spambayes] Broken link
To: <spambayes at python.org>
Message-ID:
<4543928AC7BCE2498D2D2DBA72D89285015AD710 at smith.pacificedge.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"
Broken image link at:
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html
=20
-- T o m L a r k i n
=20
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:43:34 +1300
From: "Tony Meyer" <tameyer at ihug.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Broken link
To: "'Tom Larkin'" <Tom.Larkin at pacificedge.com>,
<spambayes at python.org>
Message-ID:
<1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B1C4 at its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"
> Broken image link at:
>=20
> http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html
Everything looks fine here. I presume you mean on the sidebar on the lef=
t
where the sourceforge logo should appear? (I can't see any other images o=
n
that page). It loads fine here - a temporary glitch, perhaps?
=3DTony Meyer
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:22:13 -0800
From: "Cindy Peyser" <cindy at pizer.com>
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Q: Backup of PST file
To: <spambayes at python.org>
Message-ID: <NGBBIAAIKLCMPFMFIDGLGEDIDHAA.cindy at pizer.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"
Dear SpamBayes,
I really really like SpamBayes, it is so far the best spam filter I have
tried (out of 3).
One problem: I have noticed since the time I set it up, my backup system
has not been able to backup my Outlook PST file (It gives a message that =
the
file is in use even when Outlook is closed). And I have been unable to
export, copy, or move my PST file (I just got a new computer, so am tryin=
g
to get set up again). Is there something about SpamBayes that keeps usin=
g
the PST file even after Outlook itself is closed?
Also, how do I un-install?
Regards,
Cindy
206-634-2808 x1
cindy at pizer.com
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:27:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Atom 'Smasher' <atom at suspicious.org>
Subject: [Spambayes] spam tokens IibKrw0yteNAtHyZDDw (fwd)
To: spambayes at python.org
Message-ID:
<Pine.BSF.4.58.0312011748150.78722 at research.suspicious.org>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
two things i've noticed about spam, i'm not sure if either of them are
taken into account with SB, but maybe someone can look into this
further... or maybe someone already has and they can tell me why these
don't work...
1) so many spams have a *lot* of spaces (and tabs?) in the subject line.
(like above {taken from real spam}).
i know... multiple spaces aren't tokens, they *separate* tokens... but
when there are 20+ in a row, in the subject line, that usually means spam.
2) so many spams are filled with nonsense and random strings
rldvlzgj coldokiue i q wfup cadrhs r cqufqc e p fnlcgv fipv
which probably don't appear in legit email.
can these be used to detect spam? are they used?
my understanding of bayesian filtering, is that if it never before
encountered the word "rldvlzgj", then it scores 0.5 (or something fairly
neutral). well, after i've trained it on a few hundred or a few thousand
emails, i think it should have a good handle on my vocabulary and maybe be
less forgiving with words i haven't seen before.
i fully understand that the nature of bayesian filtering is often
counter-intuitive when it comes to what to look at and what to ignore, so
i'm fully prepared for someone to tell me exactly why these things don't
work the way my brain thinks they should.
...atom
_______________________________________________
PGP key - http://smasher.suspicious.org/pgp.txt
3EBE 2810 30AE 601D 54B2 4A90 9C28 0BBF 3D7D 41E3
-------------------------------------------------
"IDEA's key length is 128 bits - over twice as long as DES.
Assuming that a brute force attack is the most efficient,
it would require 2^128 (10^38) encryptions to recover the
key. Design a chip that can test a billion keys per
second an throw a billion of the them at the problem,
and it will still take 10^13 years - that's longer than
the age of the universe. An array of 10^24 such chips can
find the key in a day, but there aren't enough silicon
atoms in the universe to build such a machine. Now we're
getting somewhere - although I'd keep my eye on the dark
matter debate."
-- Bruce Schneier, Applied Cryptography
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:36:37 -0500
From: "Tim Peters" <tim.one at comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Q: Backup of PST file
To: "Cindy Peyser" <cindy at pizer.com>
Cc: spambayes at python.org
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCOEBEHIAB.tim.one at comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
[Cindy Peyser]
> Dear SpamBayes,
>
> I really really like SpamBayes, it is so far the best spam filter I
> have tried (out of 3).
Glad you like it!
> One problem: I have noticed since the time I set it up, my backup
> system has not been able to backup my Outlook PST file (It gives a
> message that the file is in use even when Outlook is closed). And I
> have been unable to export, copy, or move my PST file (I just got a
> new computer, so am trying to get set up again). Is there something
> about SpamBayes that keeps using the PST file even after Outlook
> itself is closed?
No, nothing that we know of, but closing Outlook doesn't always stop Outlook
from running, with or without SpamBayes installed. I've always had this
problem (with three different Outlook 2000 installations), and don't think
it's any more-- or less --common since installing Outlook.
You didn't say which version of Windows or Outlook you're using. The best
thing to do before running backups is to use the Windows Task Manager to
kill off all non-essential programs first. Exactly how you do that depends
on which flavor of Windows you're using. You'll sometimes find that an
Outlook process is still running despite that you closed Outlook. That's
life. The same procedure applies if you get any sort of "persmission
denied -- file in use" error when trying to copy, move, or rename a file.
> Also, how do I un-install?
Anyone? I run from CVS, so have no idea what the binary installer sets up
here (assuming the poster used a binary installer, which seems too likely to
question <wink>). This one is nearly a FAQ lately!
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:26:31 -0600
From: "Seth Goodman" <delete at GoodmanAssociates.com>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Q: Backup of PST file
To: <spambayes at python.org>
Message-ID:
<MHEGIFHMACFNNIMMBACAKEHEGAAA.delete at GoodmanAssociates.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> No, nothing that we know of, but closing Outlook doesn't always
> stop Outlook
> from running, with or without SpamBayes installed. I've always had this
> problem (with three different Outlook 2000 installations), and don't think
> it's any more-- or less --common since installing Outlook.
Just as you say, I noticed the same thing with Outlook 2000 long before I
tried SpamBayes. You close Outlook and an Outlook.exe process is still
running. It's neither better nor worse with the SpamBayes Add-In. Oddly, I
have even noticed that after Outlook is running for a long time, a second
instance of Outlook.exe appears, according to the task manager. The symptom
that prompts me to notice this is that a message does not become "read"
after I display for the appropriate number of seconds in the preview pane.
Then I look in the task manager and see two Outlook.exe processes. What a
bizarre piece of code this Outlook is, but also very useful.
--
Seth Goodman
Humans: change "delete" to "sethg" to email me
Spambots: disregard the above
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