[Spambayes] Please Kill the "Blocked Mail Notification"

David Matos david.matos at comcast.net
Tue Dec 2 23:07:18 EST 2003


Can one of the moderators do something about the "Blocked Mail Notification"
from sysadmin at scr.siemens.com ?

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Subject: RE: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Q:  Backup of PST file
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[Tim]
> Anyone?  I run from CVS, so have no idea what the binary
> installer sets up here (assuming the poster used a binary 
> installer, which seems too likely to question <wink>).  This 
> one is nearly a FAQ lately!

Agreed, and done:

<http://spambayes.org/faq.html#how-do-i-uninstall-the-plug-in>

(As always, someone correct me if I've made any mistakes in there!  I run
from CVS, too, although I've tested the binary on occasions.)

=Tony Meyer




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   1. Cannot Get SpamBayes to Install (Joe Farrell)
   2. RE: Where are my e-mails? (Tim Peters)
   3. RE: Where are my e-mails? (Tony Meyer)
   4. Table munging defeats SpamBayes (Mathew Hendry)
   5. RE: Restore from Spam (Tony Meyer)
   6. RE: Where are my e-mails? (Tim Peters)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:33:17 -0500
From: "Joe Farrell" <joef at taylorriver.com>
Subject: [Spambayes] Cannot Get SpamBayes to Install
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I have tried to install SB three times, and each time I got an error message
at the end of the installation saying that it  could not register the a .dll
file called DLL/OCX.  Has anyone had a similar experience?  Do you know what
the solution could be?  

 

 



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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:36:09 -0500
From: "Tim Peters" <tim.one at comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Where are my e-mails?
To: "Marv Beloff" <mbeloff at comcast.net>
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[Marv Beloff]
> I installed Spambayes a few weeks ago and reported to my cybersenior 
> group how pleased I was with it. ...
> I created two folders as directed JUNK MAIL and JUNK MAYBE.
> It was working wonderfully. I got a little careless and instead of
> deleting JUNK MAIL as was my daily activity I deleted the JUNK MAIL
> folder itself which caused me to have to go into Spambayes manager
> and reinstall with your wizard.

Is this the Outlook addin (there are many ways to use SpamBayes, and we're
guessing about how you're using it)?  If so, you should have been able to
use the SpamBayes manager's Filtering tab to tell SpamBayes about your new
JUNK MAIL folder (it may have had the same name to you, but it would have
been an entirely different folder to Outlook).

> I actually did this a couple of times and the last time was yesterday 
> afternoon. I received no e-mails for the next 24 hours. I contacted 
> friends and had them send me an e-mail.

It's easier to send yourself email (just send an email to your own email
address).

> It did not make it through.

So far, you haven't said anything to make me suspect that it's not just your
ISP email account that isn't working.  I'm not sure what "not make it
through" means, exactly, either.  It *sounds* like new email wasn't even
downloaded from your ISP.

> In order to again receive e-mails I uninstalled the Spambayes.

Did that work?

> My question is Where are my lost e-mails?

Sorry, don't know.  The Outlook addin never deletes email.  You should try
using Outlook's Advanced Find (Tools -> Advanced Find) function to search
for one of them.  The others will probably be found in the same place,
assuming Outlook actually downloaded any of these emails to begin with.

> I have a few important ones and orders and cannot find them anywhere. 
> Also, would like to suggest that you put a fix-in so that if one 
> inadvertently deletes a JUNK MAIL folder I would have to click on a 
> box that questions whether I really want to do this.

Sorry, you'll have to ask Microsoft for that.  Deleting, and moving, folders
is *way* too easy to do my mistake in Outlook, but deleting and moving
folders is strictly between you and Outlook -- Outlook doesn't ask SpamBayes
whether it's OK.  By the way, when you deleted your folder, didn't Outlook
pop up a box asking you whether you really wanted to do that?  If it didn't,
your old JUNK MAIL folder is probably hiding now as a subfolder in your
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:41:20 +1300
From: "Tony Meyer" <tameyer at ihug.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Where are my e-mails?
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[Tim]
> By the way, when you deleted your folder, didn't Outlook
> pop up a box asking you whether you really wanted to do that? 
> If it didn't, your old JUNK MAIL folder is probably hiding 
> now as a subfolder in your Deleted Items folder.

I don't know about all versions of Outlook, but I get this "are you sure"
warning even if I'm just moving the folder into the Deleted Items folder. It
would seem pointless to add a second check, even if it was a simple addition
to the plug-in.

BTW, has anyone else noticed that in the last week or two these 'missing
mail' posts have become quite common?  (Although I note that it's never
ended up being spambayes at fault).  Maybe we need a FAQ for this, too?

=Tony Meyer




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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 02:46:17 -0000
From: "Mathew Hendry" <mdhpub at blueyonder.co.uk>
Subject: [Spambayes] Table munging defeats SpamBayes
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Here's a new one on me. I spotted just now when looking through my spam
corpus for "low scorers". The rendered version of the spam (In Outlook 2003
anyway) looks like this:

------------------------------begin
All Rx Products

Consultation at no cost
No embarassing M.D. visits
I want to know more <link>
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Most of that text is broken up into tiny pieces and inserted into tables,
followed by a huge <a> block filled mostly with randomized English text but
also, at the end, containing the web site href and "I want to know more".

SpamBayes gobbles up all the text inside the <a> but doesn't spot the
contents of the table because each apparent token is only 1-3 characters
long.

Fortunately the spammer scuppered s/h/itself a bit by including some spammy
text in the <a> block. That and my SpamAssassin/SpamCop mods pushed the
score up 50%, so it didn't escape entirely.

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:52:36 +1300
From: "Tony Meyer" <tameyer at ihug.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Restore from Spam
To: "'Mark Sears'" <deltan at lithium.com>, <spambayes at python.org>
Message-ID:
	<1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B1CF at its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
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> I click the recover button and the message is sent to
> the inbox of my personal folders.  It's not recovered to the 
> imap folder in which the message originated like I'd expect it to be.
> 
> Is this a known issue?  Is there a work around? Or maybe I've
> misconfigured something?

IIRC, the plug-in 'recovers' the mail to the Inbox when something goes wrong
trying to recover it to the original folder, or when saving the information
about which folder was the original.  I suspect that one of these is the
case here (I seem to recall IMAP being difficult in this respect).

Would you be able to attach your latest log file (instructions in the
troubleshooting guide)?  This will have the information required to see what
is going wrong.

=Tony Meyer




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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 22:13:09 -0500
From: "Tim Peters" <tim.one at comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Where are my e-mails?
To: "Tony Meyer" <tameyer at ihug.co.nz>,	"'Marv Beloff'"
	<mbeloff at comcast.net>
Cc: spambayes at python.org
Message-ID: <LNBBLJKPBEHFEDALKOLCIEHGHIAB.tim.one at comcast.net>
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[Tony Meyer]
> I don't know about all versions of Outlook, but I get this "are you 
> sure" warning even if I'm just moving the folder into the Deleted 
> Items folder.

I do not (Outlook 2000 SP3), although there are well-hidden options in
Outlook that can affect when and whether you get warnings.

> It would seem pointless to add a second check, even if
> it was a simple addition to the plug-in.

So maybe Marv disabled Outlook's warning and wants us to change his mind
<wink>.

> BTW, has anyone else noticed that in the last week or two these 
> 'missing mail' posts have become quite common?  (Although I note that 
> it's never ended up being spambayes at fault).

Yup, and it's pretty mysterious to see so many pop up all of a sudden.

> Maybe we need a FAQ for this, too?

I don't know how to answer that FAQ yet:  where *do* people find their email
in the end?  Is there a pattern to it?  I haven't seen many followup msgs
from people with this complaint.




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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:25:39 +1300
From: "Tony Meyer" <tameyer at ihug.co.nz>
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Where are my e-mails?
To: "'Tim Peters'" <tim.one at comcast.net>, "'Marv Beloff'"
	<mbeloff at comcast.net>
Cc: spambayes at python.org
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> > BTW, has anyone else noticed that in the last week or two these
> > 'missing mail' posts have become quite common?  (Although I 
> > note that it's never ended up being spambayes at fault).
> 
> Yup, and it's pretty mysterious to see so many pop up all of a sudden.

Especially since it's so long since the last release!

> > Maybe we need a FAQ for this, too?
> 
> I don't know how to answer that FAQ yet:  where *do* people
> find their email in the end?  Is there a pattern to it?  I 
> haven't seen many followup msgs from people with this complaint.

I've seen a few (people replying off-list), although there's not a clear
pattern.  I've added a FAQ anyway, since I was doing a 'how to uninstall'
one anyway; as we find out more information we can add to it.

If anyone is reading this that has 'lost' mail and then found it again - it
would be great to hear from you if there's more to finding it than is in the
FAQ.

<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#some-of-my-mail-is-going-missing>
<http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-do-i-uninstall-the-plug-in>

=Tony Meyer




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