[Spambayes] Outlook 2002 headers - behaviour

Katz, Amir Amir_Katz at bmc.com
Sun Jul 4 09:46:10 CEST 2004


John,
I agree with your view, but since you're examining the headers anyway, and
since you must act on each header (mark for retrieval/deletion), you can,
for the same amount of effort, mark the header for deletion. 

The real solution, of course, is server-side filtering, but then you risk
losing mails which are not spam to you but are to the server. 

Since my ultimate goal is getting rid of maximum spam in minimal
time/effort, I prefer to delete the headers.

"Why do they say, 'a penny for your thought' but then 'just my 2 cents'
worth'? Someone is making a penny here" [Steven Wright]

-----Original Message-----
From: John Turnbull [mailto:j.h.turnbull at btinternet.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 02:57
To: 'Katz, Amir'
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Outlook 2002 headers - behaviour


Thanks for comment Amir.

My thinking is to avoid having to 'manually' flag spam!?

-----Original Message-----
From: Katz, Amir [mailto:Amir_Katz at bmc.com] 
Sent: 03 July 2004 22:26
To: John Turnbull
Cc: spambayes at python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Outlook 2002 headers - behaviour


Without deep-diving into the concepts here, here's my take on John's
mail:

I also work with headers-only mode (Start Outlook with 'work offline'
mode, then periodically connect to Exchange server using Tools->Remote
mail). I do that when I'm connected from home. So, when I see a header
which is 100% spam, I simply delete it. In the remote mail mode,
deleting a mail header tells the Exchange server to delete the mail when
I reconnect. 
Downside: I don't train SB with that message.
Upside: I save time & bandwidth - the message never gets downloaded and
does not get processed by either SB or Outlook rules. 

I prefer this rather than teaching SB another variant of spam (which I
get enough anyway when I am online).

Just my $0.02.

Amir

-----Original Message-----
From: John Turnbull [mailto:j.h.turnbull at btinternet.com]
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 17:14
To: spambayes at python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Outllok 2002 headers - behaviour


Outlook binary addin 1.0RC1.0

Outllok 2002+ has the functionality to operate with headers. I sometimes
choose, for bandwidth reasons, to download only 'header' information
from my POP3 server as this saves downloading crap.

It's 99%+ obvious from the header what is spam - but spambayes cannot
operate on headers only (outlook is not so great here either) - so have
to download the entire messgae anyway to train DB, or alternatively
expunge from server using standard outlook function.

It would be good if 'Delete as Spam' could register at least the header
info as spam tokens, remove from inbox to Spam folder, and mark the
message to be deleted form the server on next connect? Understand that
Outlook functionality may determine what's possible here.

I also suspect that working with headers can cause application bombing
out - I have seen this a few times but have not yet got definitve
report. Is there a good reference for spambayes-outlook header
behaviour/functionality?

With heartfelt thanks to all concerned for this superbly professional
product and for smoothing ongoing glitches. Great job!!!

Thought - The header info is obviously extremely significant. Would it
help (is it already possible) to give this header information is more
significance than the actual message body? Could such 'header' DB be
implemented as in parallel with existing method and correlated somehow!?

John Turnbull


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