[TehPUG] فروم برای پاگ
Nim4n
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Sat May 17 20:28:42 CEST 2014
ﮐﻨﺘﺮﻝ ﺳﺎﯾﺖ ﻣﯿﺘﻮﻧﻪ ﺩﺳﺖ ﺁﻗﺎﯼ ﺑﯿﺎﺿﯽ ﺑﺎﻗﯽ ﺑﻤﻮﻧﻪ ﻓﻘﻂ ﺑﺤﺚ ﺍﯾﻨﻪ ﮐﻪ ﺳﺎﯾﺖ ﺭﻭ ﺑﺎﻻ ﺑﯿﺎﺭﻥ !
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From: Keyvan Hedayati <k1.hedayati93 at gmail.com>
To: Tehran Python User Group <tehpug at python.org>
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ﭘﻠﻨﯽ ﮐﻪ ﻣﻦ ﺩﺍﺷﺘﻢ ﺍﯾﻨﻪ ﮐﻪ ﻓﻌﻼ ﺳﺎﯾﺖ ﺭﻭ ﺗﻮ openshift ﺑﺰﺍﺭﯾﻢ ﻭ ﺍﮔﻪ ﺑﺎ ﻣﺤﺪﻭﺩﯾﺖ ﻣﻮﺍﺟﻪ ﺷﺪﯾﻢ ﺍﺯ ﺷﺮﮐﺖﻫﺎ ﯾﺎ ﺳﺎﺯﻣﺎﻥﻫﺎ donate ﺑﮕﯿﺮﯾﻢ. ﺣﺘﯽ ﺧﻮﺩﻩ psf ﻫﻢ ﻣﯽﺗﻮﻧﻪ ﺩﺭ ﻣﻮﺭﺩ ﻫﺰﯾﻨﻪ ﻫﺎﺳﺖ ﻭ ﺍﯾﻦ ﭼﯿﺰﺍ ﮐﻤﮏ ﮐﻨﻪ.
ﻣﻨﻈﻮﺭﺷﻮﻥ ﺭﻭ ﺍﺯ ﺗﺎﺛﯿﺮ ﺑﺪ ﻣﺘﻮﺟﻪ ﻧﺸﺪﻡ، ﺩﻗﯿﻘﺎ ﭼﻪ ﺟﻮﺭﯼ ﻣﯽﺗﻮﻧﯿﻢ ﺗﺎﺛﯿﺮ ﺑﺪ ﺩﺍﺷﺘﻪ ﺑﺎﺷﯿﻢ ﺭﻭﺵ :ﺩﯼ
2014-05-17 20:36 GMT+04:30 Ramin Najjarbashi <ramin.najarbashi at gmail.com>:
ﺑﺎ ﻣﻬﺪﯼ ﺻﺤﺒﺖ ﮐﺮﺩﻡ. ﻣﺸﮑﻠﯽ ﻭﺟﻮﺩ ﻧﺪﺍﺭﻩ ﻭﻟﯽ ﺗﻀﻤﯿﻦ ﻣﯽ ﺧﻮﺍﺩ ﺁﺯﺍﺩ ﺑﺎﺷﻪ ﻭ ﺁﺯﺍﺩ ﺑﻤﻮﻧﻪ . ﺣﻖ ﺩﺍﺭﻩ ﻭﺍﻗﻌﺎ.
«ﻓﺮﺩ ﯾﺎ ﮔﺮﻭﻩ ﯾﺎ ﺷﺮﮐﺖ ﺧﺎﺻﯽ ﻫﯿﭻ ﻭﻗﺖ ﻫﯿﭽﮕﻮﻧﻪ ﻧﻔﻮﺫ ﻭ ﺗﺎﺛﯿﺮ ﺑﺪﯼ ﺭﻭﺵ ﻧﺪﺍﺷﺘﻪ ﺑﺎﺷﻪ. ﻣﻦ ﻃﯽ ﺍﯾﻦ ﺳﺎﻟﻬﺎ ﺣﺘﯽ ﺍﯾﭙﺎﻧﺴﺮ ﻭ ﺗﺒﻠﯿﻐﺎﺕ ﻫﻢ ﻗﺒﻮﻝ ﻧﮑﺮﺩﻡ ﺗﺎ ﻟﻄﻤﻪ ﺍﯼ ﺑﺎ ﺳﺎﯾﺖ ﻧﺨﻮﺭﻩ.»
On 17 May 2014 13:19, Nim4n <nim4n at yahoo.com.dmarc.invalid> wrote:
ﺍﻻﻥ ﮐﻪ ﺳﺎﯾﺖ pylearn ﺧﻮﺍﺑﯿﺪﻩ ﮐﺎﺭﯼ ﺍﺯ ﺩﺳﺖ ﻣﺎ ﺑﺮ ﻣﯿﺎﺩ ﯾﺎ ﻣﻨﺘﻈﺮ ﺧﺒﺮ ﺍﺯ ﺳﻤﺖ ﺷﻤﺎ ﺑﺎﺷﯿﻢ ؟!
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From: Ramin Najjarbashi <ramin.najarbashi at gmail.com>
To: Tehran Python User Group <tehpug at python.org>
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ﺍﺯ ﺩﻭﺳﺘﺎﻥ ﮐﺴﯽ ﺍﺭﺗﺒﺎﻁ ﻧﺰﺩﯾﮑﯽ ﺑﺎ ﺁﻗﺎﯼ ﺑﯿﺎﺿﯽ ﺩﺍﺭﻩ ﮐﻪ ﺑﺎ ﺍﯾﺸﻮﻥ ﺻﺤﺒﺖ ﮐﻨﻪ ﺗﺎ ﺍﻃﻼﻋﺎﺕ ﺭﻭ ﺩﺭ ﺍﺧﺘﯿﺎﺭﻣﻮﻥ ﻗﺮﺍﺭ ﺑﺪﻥ؟
ﻣﻦ ﺑﺎ ﻣﻬﺪﯼ ﺩﯾﺮﻭﺯ ﺣﺮﻑ ﺯﺩﻡ، ﻓﮑﺮ ﻧﮑﻨﻢ ﻣﺸﮑﻠﯽ ﺍﺯ ﺍﯾﻦ ﺑﺎﺑﺖ ﺑﺎﺷﻪ
2014-05-17 12:28 GMT+04:30 Keyvan Hedayati <k1.hedayati93 at gmail.com>:
ﺧﺐ ﭘﺲ ﻓﮑﺮ ﮐﻨﻢ ﺑﻬﺘﺮﻩ ﺍﻭﻝ ﺍﻭﻟﯿﺖ ﺭﻭ ﺑﻪ pylearn ﺑﺪﯾﻢ ﻭ ﺑﻌﺪ ﺑﻪ ﺗﮑﻨﻮﺗﺎﮐﺲ
ﺍﺯ ﺩﻭﺳﺘﺎﻥ ﮐﺴﯽ ﺍﺭﺗﺒﺎﻁ ﻧﺰﺩﯾﮑﯽ ﺑﺎ ﺁﻗﺎﯼ ﺑﯿﺎﺿﯽ ﺩﺍﺭﻩ ﮐﻪ ﺑﺎ ﺍﯾﺸﻮﻥ ﺻﺤﺒﺖ ﮐﻨﻪ ﺗﺎ ﺍﻃﻼﻋﺎﺕ ﺭﻭ ﺩﺭ ﺍﺧﺘﯿﺎﺭﻣﻮﻥ ﻗﺮﺍﺭ ﺑﺪﻥ؟
2014-05-16 23:45 GMT+04:30 Vahid Maani <vahidmaani at gmail.com>:
pylearn ﺑﺎ ﺩﺍﻣﯿﻦ pythoni.ca ﺑﺎﻻ ﺍﻭﻣﺪﻩ ﺑﻮﺩ ﮐﻪ ﻣﺘﺄﺳﻔﺎﻧﻪ ﺍﻭﻥ ﻫﻢ ﺍﻻﻥ ﺧﻮﺍﺑﯿﺪﻩ.
ﻧﻈﺮ ﻣﻦ ﻫﻢ ﻫﻤﻮﻥ ﻧﻈﺮ ﺁﻗﺎ ﺭﺍﻣﯿﻦ ﻫﺴﺖ، ﻣﻬﻢ ﻧﯿﺴﺖ ﮐﻪ ﺍﯾﻦ ﻓﺮﻭﻡ ﮐﺠﺎ ﺑﺎﺷﻪ ﻭ ﺑﺮﺍﯼ ﮐﯽ ﺑﺎﺷﻪ، ﻣﻬﻢ ﺍﯾﻨﻪ ﮐﻪ ﯾﻪ ﺟﺎﯾﯽ ﺑﺎﺷﻪ ﮐﻪ ﻭﻗﺘﯽ ﯾﮑﯽ ﺍﺯ ﺍﻋﻀﺎﯼ ﺗﻬﭙﺎﮒ ﺳﺆﺍﻟﯽ ﺩﺍﺷﺖ ﺍﻭﻧﺠﺎ ﺑﭙﺮﺳﻪ ﻭ ﻣﻄﻤﺌﻦ ﺑﺎﺷﻪ ﮐﻪ ﺑﻘﯿﻪﯼ ﺍﻋﻀﺎﯼ ﺗﻬﭙﺎﮒ ﻫﻢ ﺍﻭﻥ ﺭﻭ ﻣﯽﺑﯿﻨﻦ. ﺣﺎﻻ ﺍﯾﻦ ﻣﯽﺗﻮﻧﻪ ﯾﻪ ﺳﺎﯾﺖ ﺍﯾﺮﺍﻧﯽ ﺑﺎﺷﻪ ﯾﺎ ﯾﻪ ﺳﺎﯾﺖ ﺧﺎﺭﺟﯽ ﻣﺜﻪ stackoverflow.com ﺑﺎﺷﻪ. ﺣﺎﻻ ﻣﯽﺩﻭﻧﻢ ﺷﺎﯾﺪ stackoverflow.com ﺑﻪ ﺧﺎﻃﺮ ﺯﯾﺎﻥ ﮐﻼً ﻣﻨﺘﻔﯽ ﺑﺎﺷﻪ ﺑﺮﺍﯼ ﻧﻤﻮﻧﻪ ﻋﺮﺽ ﮐﺮﺩﻡ. ﻭﻟﯽ ﻧﻈﺮﻡ ﺍﯾﻨﻪ ﮐﻪ ﯾﻪ ﺳﺎﯾﺖ ﺧﺎﺭﺟﯽ ﭘﯿﺪﺍ ﮐﻨﯿﻢ ﮐﻪ ﺑﺘﻮﻧﯿﻢ ﺍﺯ ﺟﻬﺖ ﺁﭘﺘﺎﯾﻢ ﻭ ﯾﻪ ﺳﺮﯼ ﻣﺴﺎﺋﻞ ﺍﺯﺵ ﻣﻄﻤﺌﻦ ﺑﺎﺷﯿﻢ.
On 05/15/2014 02:59 PM, Ali hallaji wrote:
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ﺩﺭ ﮐﻞ ﯾﮑﯽ ﺍﺯ ﺳﻮﺍﻻﺗﯽ ﮐﻪ ﺩﺭ ﻣﻮﺭﺩ ﭘﺎﯼ ﺳﻮﺷﯿﺎﻝ ﻣﻄﺮﺡ ﻣﯿﺸﻪ، ﻣﺎﻧﺪﮔﺎﺭﯼ ﺍﻭﻥ ﻫﺴﺖ.ﻭ ﺩﺭ ﮐﻞ ﺑﺎ ﻣﺴﺎﺋﻠﯽ ﺍﺯ ﺍﯾﻦ ﻗﺒﯿﻞ ﮐﻪ ﺳﺎﯾﺖ ﺍﻓﺮﺍﺩﺵ ﮐﯽ ﻫﺴﺘﻨﺪ ﮐﻪ ﺑﻔﻬﻤﯿﻢ ﻣﻌﺘﺒﺮ ﻫﺴﺖ، ﯾﺎ ﺍﯾﻨﮑﻪ ﻓﺮﺩﺍ ﭘﺲ ﻓﺮﺩﺍ ﭘﺎﯾﯿﻦ ﻧﯿﺎﺩ ﺳﺎﯾﺖ ﻭ ﺍﺯ ﺍﯾﻦ ﺣﺮﻓﺎ.
ﻣﻦ ﯾﻪ ﺳﻮﺍﻝ ﺩﺍﺭﻡ ﺍﺯ ﺷﻤﺎ ﺩﻭﺳﺘﺎﻥ:
ﻭ ﺍﯾﻨﮑﻪ ﺳﺎﯾﺖ pylearn ﯾﻪ ﺭﻭﺯﯼ ﺑﺎﻻ ﺑﻮﺩ، ﻭﭼﻨﺪﯾﻦ ﺑﺎﺭ ﺍﻭﻣﺪ ﺑﺎﻻ ﻭ ﺑﺎﺯ ﺭﻓﺖ ﭘﺎﯾﯿﻦ.ﭼﺠﻮﺭﯼ ﻫﺴﺖ ﮐﻪ ﺍﺯ ﺍﯾﻦ ﻋﻤﻞ ﺧﻮﺭﺩﻩ ﻧﻤﯿﮕﯿﺮﯾﺪ، ﻭ ﻫﻨﻮﺯ ﺑﺎﺯ ﻣﯿﮕﯿﺪ pylearn ﺑﺬﺍﺭﯾﻢ ﺧﻮﺑﻪ، ﺑﺎ ﺍﯾﻨﻪ ﺍﯾﻦ ﺗﺠﺮﺑﻪ ﺗﻠﺨﻮ ﺩﺍﺷﺘﻪ، ﻭﻟﯽ ﺳﺎﯾﺖ ﭘﺎﯼ ﺳﻮﺷﯿﺎﻝ ﮐﻪ ﻫﻤﻪ ﭼﯿﺰ ﺩﺭ ﺣﺪ ﻋﺎﻟﯽ ﺑﻮﺩﻩ ﺩﺍﺭﻩ ﺑﻪ ﺍﯾﻦ ﺩﻻﯾﻞ ﺭﺩ ﻣﯿﺸﻪ؟؟؟
ﻣﻦ ﺑﻪ ﺷﺨﺺ ﺧﯿﻠﯽ ﺍﺭﺍﺩﺕ ﺑﻪ ﺁﻗﺎ ﺑﯿﺎﺿﯽ ﺩﺍﺭﻡ، ﻭ ﻭﺍﻗﻌﺎ ﺍﺯﺷﻮﻥ ﺗﺸﮑﺮ ﻣﯿﮑﻨﻢ ﺑﺮﺍﯼ ﺗﻼﺵ ﻫﺎﯼ ﺷﺎﯾﺎﻧﯽ ﮐﻪ ﺑﺮﺍﯼ ﭘﺎﯾﺘﻮﻥ ﺗﻮ ﺍﯾﺮﺍﻥ ﮐﺸﯿﺪﻥ، ﺍﻣﺎ ﺍﺻﻼ ﺑﺤﺜﻢ ﺣﺘﯽ pylearn ﻧﯿﺴﺘﺎ!ﺑﺤﺜﻢ ﻣﻨﻄﻘﯽ ﻫﺴﺖ ﮐﻪ ﻭﻗﺘﯽ ﻣﯿﺨﻮﺍﺩ ﯾﻪ ﭼﯿﺰﯼ ﺭﻭ ﭘﺎﮎ ﮐﻨﻪ ﺣﺘﯽ ﺍﺻﻮﻝ ﺧﻮﺩﺷﻢ ﯾﺎﺩﺵ ﻣﯿﺮﻩ.
ﺩﺭ ﮐﻞ pylearn ﻫﻢ ﻋﺎﻟﯿﻪ، ﺩﺭﺻﻮﺭﺗﯽ ﮐﻪ ﺍﻻﻥ ﻓﮏ ﮐﻨﻢ ﺭﻭﯼ ﯾﮏ ﺩﺍﻣﻨﻪ ﺩﯾﮕﻪ ﻫﺴﺖ. ﻭ ﻣﻦ ﺣﺘﯽ ﻣﻮﺍﻓﻘﻢ ﺭﻭ ﺍﻭﻥ ﺑﺎﺷﻪ ﻓﺮﻭﻡ، ﭼﻪ ﻓﺮﻗﯽ ﻣﯿﮑﻨﻪ؟
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2014-05-15 14:08 GMT+04:30 Fatemeh Tarashi <tarashikashanifatemeh at gmail.com>:
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ﻣﻦ ﺑﺎ ﺟﻨﺎﺏ ﻓﺮﻫﺎﻧﯽ ﻣﻮﺍﻓﻘﻢ ﺍﻭﻝ ﺑﺎﯾﺪ ﻫﺪﻑ ﻣﺸﺨﺺ ﺑﺸﻪ...
ﻭ ﺩﺭ ﺍﺩﺍﻣﻪ ﻫﻢ ﺍﮔﺮ ﻧﻈﺮ ﺩﻭﺳﺘﺎﻥ ﻓﺮﻡ ﭘﺎﯼ ﺳﻮﺷﯿﺎﻝ ﯾﺎ ﻫﺮ ﺟﺎﯼ ﺩﯾﮕﻪ ﺍﯼ ﺑﺎﺷﻪ ﺑﻪ ﻧﻈﺮﻡ ﻣﺤﺾ ﺍﻃﻤﯿﻨﺎﻥ ﺍﺯ ﺍﯾﻨﮑﻪ ﻗﺮﺍﺭ ﻧﯿﺴﺖ ﭼﻨﺪ ﺳﺎﻝ ﺩﯾﮕﻪ ﺧﺪﺍﯾﯽ ﻧﮑﺮﺩﻩ ﻣﺠﺒﻮﺭ ﺑﻪ ﺍﻧﺘﻘﺎﻝ ﺭﻭﯼ ﻓﺮﻡ ﺩﯾﮕﻪ ﺍﯼ ﺑﺸﯿﻢ, ﺑﻬﺘﺮﻩ ﻣﺸﺨﺺ ﺑﺸﻪ ﻓﺮﻡ ﺑﺮﺍﯼ ﭼﻪ ﺍﻓﺮﺍﺩ ﯾﺎ ﮔﺮﻭﻫﯿﻪ ... ﻭ ...
2014-05-15 0:32 GMT-07:00 Ali hallaji <ali.hallaji1 at gmail.com>:
ﺩﺭ ﻣﻮﺭﺩ ﺩﻭﺳﺖ ﻋﺰﯾﺰﻣﻮﻥ ﺁﻗﺎﯼ Saber Rastikerdar :
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ﻭﻟﯽ ﺷﻤﺎ ﺍﻭﻟﯿﻦ ﻧﻔﺮﯼ ﺑﻮﺩﯾﺪ ﺗﺎ ﺣﺎﻻ ﺍﺯ ﻇﺎﻫﺮ ﺗﺎ ﻣﺤﺘﻮﺍﯼ ﺩﺍﺧﻠﺶ ﺍﯾﺮﺍﺩ ﮔﺮﻓﺘﯿﺪ. ﻭ ﺍﻟﺒﺘﻪ ﺑﺮﺭﺳﯽ ﻣﯿﺸﻪ ﺍﻧﺘﻘﺎﺩﺍﺗﻮﻥ.ﻭ ﻣﻦ ﻓﻘﻂ ﻣﯿﺨﻮﺍﻡ ﺟﻤﻠﻪ ﺧﺎﻧﻢ Jessica McKellar ﺩﺭ ﻣﻮﺭﺩ ﭘﺎﯼ ﺳﻮﺷﯿﺎﻝ ﺭﻭ ﺑﻬﺘﻮﻥ ﻧﺸﻮﻥ ﺑﺪﻡ:
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ﻭ ﺩﺭ ﻣﻮﺭﺩ ﻣﻄﺎﻟﺐ ﮐﺎﺩﺭ ﺗﻮ ﺻﻔﺤﻪ ﺍﺻﻠﯽ ﻣﺎ ﺍﺯ ﺧﺎﻧﻢ Jessica McKellar ﻭ ﺧﯿﻠﯽ ﺍﺯ ﺩﻭﺳﺘﺎﻥ ﺁﺷﻨﺎ ﮐﻤﮏ ﮔﺮﻓﺘﯿﻢ.
ﺩﻭﻡ ﺍﯾﻨﮑﻪ ﺍﻋﻀﺎﯼ ﺳﺎﯾﺖ ﭼﻪ ﮐﺴﺎﻧﯽ ﻫﺴﺘﻨﺪ ﻓﮏ ﻧﮑﻨﻢ ﻣﻬﻢ ﺑﺎﺷﻪ، ﻭ ﻫﺮ ﮐﺴﯽ ﻣﯿﺘﻮﻧﻪ ﺑﺎﺷﻪ، ﻫﻤﯿﻨﻄﻮﺭ ﮐﻪ ﻣﺎ ﺣﺘﯽ ﺗﻮ ﺳﺮﻓﺼﻞ ﺑﻨﺪﯼ ﻣﻄﺎﻟﺐ ﺍﺯ ﺧﺎﻧﻢ ﺟﺴﯿﮑﺎ ﮐﻤﮏ ﮔﺮﻓﺘﯿﻢ ﻭ ﯾﻌﻨﯽ ﺍﯾﻨﮑﻪ ﺍﯾﺸﻮﻥ ﻫﻢ ﯾﺠﻮﺍﺭﯾﯽ ﻋﻀﻮ ﺳﺎﯾﺘﻪ، ﻭ ﺍﯾﻦ ﺭﻭ ﻫﻢ ﺑﮕﻢ ﮐﻪ ﻣﺎ ﺑﻪ ﮐﯿﻔﯿﺖ ﺳﺎﯾﺖ ﺧﯿﻠﯽ ﺍﻫﻤﯿﺖ ﻣﯿﺪﯾﻢ.
ﺑﻪ ﻫﺮ ﺣﺎﻝ ﻣﻤﻨﻮﻥ ﺍﺯ ﺍﻇﻬﺎﺭ ﻧﻈﺮﺗﻮﻥ.
ﺍﮔﺮ ﮐﻤﮑﯽ ﺍﺯ ﺩﺳﺖ ﻣﺎ ﺑﺮ ﻣﯿﺎﺩ ﺩﺭ ﺧﺪﻣﺘﯿﻢ
2014-05-15 11:00 GMT+04:30 Saeed Farahani <psproot at gmail.com>:
ﺩﻭﺳﺘﺎﻥ ﻣﻦ ﻣﺘﺎﺳﻔﺎﻧﻪ ﮐﺎﺭﯼ ﺑﺮﺍﻡ ﭘﯿﺶ ﺍﻭﻣﺪ ﻓﮑﺮ ﻧﮑﻨﻢ ﺗﺎ ﺳﺎﻋﺖ ۵ ﺗﻤﻮﻡ ﺷﻪ. ﺑﺎ ﺗﻮﺟﻪ ﺑﻪ ﻣﺤﺪﻭﺩﯾﺖ ﺟﺎ ﺗﻮ ﺍﯾﻮﻧﺖ ﻓﯿﺲ ﺑﻮﮎ ﻭﺿﻌﯿﺘﻢ ﺭﻭ ﺗﻐﯿﯿﺮ ﺩﺍﺩﻡ. ﺍﺯ ﺑﯿﻦ ﺩﻭﺳﺘﺎﻧﯽ ﮐﻪ ﻋﻼﻗﻪ ﻣﻨﺪﻥ ﻫﺴﺘﻨﺪ ﺗﻮ ﺍﯾﻦ ﺟﻠﺴﻪ ﺷﺮﮐﺖ ۱ ﻧﻔﺮ ﻣﯿﺘﻮﻧﻪ ﺟﺎﯼ ﻣﻦ ﺷﺮﮐﺖ ﮐﻨﻪ.
2014-05-15 9:07 GMT+04:30 Saber Rastikerdar <saber.rastikerdar at gmail.com>:
ﺷﺎﯾﺪ ﺑﺪ ﻧﺒﺎﺷﻪ ﺍﺯ ﻓﺮﻭﻡ ﭘﺎﯾﻠﺮﻥ (ﺁﻗﺎﯼ ﺑﯿﻀﺎﯾﯽ) ﻫﻢ ﺍﺳﺘﻔﺎﺩﻩ ﮐﻨﯿﺪ. ﯾﻌﻨﯽ ﺍﺯ ﺍﯾﺸﻮﻥ ﺩﺭﺧﻮﺍﺳﺖ ﮐﻨﯿﺪ ﺑﺮﻧﺎﻣﻪ ﺑﻪ ﻫﻤﺮﺍﻩ ﺩﯾﺘﺎﺑﯿﺲ ﺩﺭ ﺍﺧﺘﯿﺎﺭﺗﻮﻥ ﺑﮕﺬﺍﺭﻧﺪ. ﺳﺎﯾﺖ ﻫﺎﯼ ﺑﺮﻧﺎﻣﻪ ﻧﻮﯾﺲ ﻭ ﺳﯿﺘﻮ ﻭ ﺍﻭﺑﻮﻧﺘﻮ ﻫﻢ ﻓﺮﻭﻡ ﻫﺎﯼ ﺧﻮﺑﯽ ﺩﺍﺭﻧﺪ. ﺍﻟﺒﺘﻪ ﺧﺐ ﺑﺎﯾﺪ ﯾﻪ ﺑﺨﺶ ﺗﺤﺖ ﻋﻨﻮﺍﻥ ﺗﻬﭙﺎﮒ ﯾﺎ ﻣﺸﺎﺑﻪ ﺑﺎﺯ ﮐﻨﻨﺪ. ﺍﮔﺮ ﻣﯽ ﺧﻮﺍﻫﯿﺪ ﭘﺴﺖ ﻫﺎ ﺍﺯ ﺍﺑﺘﺪﺍ ﺣﻮﻝ ﺗﻬﭙﺎﮒ ﯾﺎ ﺍﻋﻀﺎﯾﺶ ﻭ ﻣﺜﻼ ﭘﺮﻭﮊﻩ ﻫﺎ ﻭ ﻣﺸﻮﺭﺕ ﻫﺎ ﻭ ... ﺑﺎﺷﺪ ﮐﻪ ﺧﺐ ﻣﻄﻤﺌﻨﺎ ﯾﮑﯽ ﺟﺪﯾﺪ ﻻﺯﻡ ﺍﺳﺖ. ﻓﺮﻭﻡ ﺍﺯ ﻣﯿﻠﯿﻨﮓ ﻟﯿﺴﺖ ﺑﻬﺘﺮﻩ.
ﺿﻤﻨﺎ ﻭﯾﮑﯽ ﻣﺮﺣﻮﻡ "ﭘﺎﯾﻠﺮﻥ" ﻫﻢ ﻣﯽ ﺗﻮﻧﻪ ﻣﻔﯿﺪ ﺑﺎﺷﻪ. ﺩﺭ ﻫﺮ ﺻﻮﺭﺕ ﻓﺮﻭﻡ ﻻﺯﻡ ﻭ ﻣﻔﯿﺪﻩ.
ﻭ ﭼﻨﺪ ﺟﻤﻠﻪ ﺑﺮﺍﯼ ﺟﻨﺎﺏ ﭘﺎﯾﺴﻮﺷﺎﻝ ﮔﺮﺍﻣﯽ:
۱. ﺻﻔﺤﻪ ﺩﺭﺑﺎﺭﻩ ﻣﺎ ﺗﻌﻄﯿﻞ ﺍﺳﺖ
۲. ﻣﺘﺎﺳﻔﺎﻧﻪ ﻣﺸﺨﺺ ﻧﯿﺴﺖ ﺷﻤﺎ ﭼﻪ ﮐﺴﺎﻧﯽ، ﮐﺠﺎ ﻭ ﺩﻗﯿﻘﺎ ﺑﻪ ﭼﻪ ﮐﺎﺭﯼ ﻣﺸﻐﻮﻝ ﻣﯽ ﺑﺎﺷﯿﺪ. ﺍﻋﻀﺎﯼ ﺳﺎﯾﺖ ﭼﻪ ﮐﺴﺎﻧﯽ ﻫﺴﺘﻨﺪ؟ ﺍﯾﻦ ﺑﺤﺚ ﻫﺎﯾﯽ ﮐﻪ ﺍﯾﻨﺠﺎ ﻣﯽ ﺷﻮﺩ ﺑﻪ ﺍﯾﻦ ﺧﺎﻃﺮ ﺍﺳﺖ ﮐﻪ ﺩﻭﺳﺘﺎﻥ ﻫﻤﺪﯾﮕﺮ ﺭﺍ ﺩﯾﺪﻩ ﺍﻧﺪ ﺩﺭ ﯾﮏ ﺟﺎ ﺑﺎ ﻫﻢ ﺑﻮﺩﻧﺪ ﻫﺪﻑ ﻣﺸﺘﺮﮐﯽ ﺩﺍﺭﻧﺪ. ﺗﺤﺖ ﮔﺮﻭﻩ ﭘﺎﮒ ﻣﺸﻐﻮﻟﻨﺪ. ﺍﻧﺴﺠﺎﻣﯽ ﺩﺍﺭﻧﺪ. ﻫﻮﯾﺘﯽ ﺩﺍﺭﻧﺪ. ﺧﻼﺻﻪ ﻫﻤﻪ ﭼﯿﺰ ﺷﻔﺎﻑ ﺍﺳﺖ. ﺩﻭﺭ ﻫﻤﯽ ﺍﺯ ﻫﻤﺪﯾﮕﻪ ﯾﺎﺩ ﻣﯿﮕﯿﺮﻧﺪ. ﺩﻗﯿﻘﺎ ﻣﺜﻞ ﻫﻤﻮﻥ ﻫﺪﻑ ﻻﮒ! ﺍﺯ ﻃﺮﻓﯽ ﺑﻪ ﺧﻮﺩﺷﺎﻥ ﻣﺘﮑﯽ ﻫﺴﺘﻨﺪ ﮐﻪ ﺑﻪ ﺗﺪﺭﯾﺞ ﺩﺍﻣﻨﻪ ﻓﻌﺎﻟﯿﺘﺸﺎﻥ ﮔﺴﺘﺮﺩﻩ ﻣﯽ ﺷﻮﺩ. ﺩﺭ ﻃﻮﻝ ﺯﻣﺎﻥ ﻫﻢ ﻧﯿﺎﺯﻫﺎﯾﯽ ﻣﻄﺮﺡ ﻣﯽ ﺷﻮﺩ ﮐﻪ ﺍﻋﻀﺎ ﺑﻪ ﮐﻤﮏ ﻫﻢ ﺩﺭ ﺻﺪﺩ ﺭﻓﻊ ﺁﻥ ﺑﺮ ﻣﯽ ﺁﯾﻨﺪ. ﻫﻤﯿﻦ!
۳. ﻣﻦ ﺍﺯ ﺳﺎﯾﺖ ﺷﻤﺎ ﺳﺮ ﺩﺭ ﻧﻤﯽ ﺁﻭﺭﻡ! ﺁﻣﻮﺯﺷﯽ ﺍﺳﺖ؟ ﻓﺮﻭﻡ ﺍﺳﺖ؟ ﺍﺟﺰﺍ ﺁﻥ ﺑﻪ ﺭﺍﺣﺘﯽ ﻗﺎﺑﻞ ﺩﺭﮎ ﻧﯿﺴﺖ. ﭼﺎﻟﺸﮕﺎﻩ! ﭼﻪ ﮐﻠﻤﻪ ﺳﺨﺘﯽ ﺍﺳﺖ! ﺗﻮ ﻣﺎﯾﻪ ﻫﺎﯼ ﮐﺸﺘﺎﺭﮔﺎﻩ! ﯾﺎ ﻣﺜﻼ ﻧﻮﺷﺘﯿﺪ ﺩﺍﺷﺒﻮﺭﺩ ﺩﺍﻧﺶ!
۴. ﻃﺮﺍﺣﯽ ﺳﺎﯾﺖ ﺟﺎﻟﺐ ﻧﯿﺴﺖ. ﻃﺮﺍﺣﯽ ﻗﺴﻤﺖ ﻓﺮﻭﻡ ﻭﺣﺸﺘﻨﺎﮎ ﺍﺳﺖ! ﻣﯽ ﺗﻮﺍﻧﯿﺪ ﺍﺯ ﺧﻮﺩ ﺳﺎﯾﺖ ﭘﺎﯾﺘﻮﻥ ﺍﻟﮕﻮ ﺑﮕﯿﺮﯾﺪ ﮐﻪ ﻫﻢ ﺳﺎﺩﻩ ﻭ ﭼﺸﻢ ﻧﻮﺍﺯ ﻫﻢ ﮐﻢ ﺣﺠﻢ ﻭ ﺳﺮﯾﻊ ﺍﺳﺖ ﻭ ﭼﯿﺪﻣﺎﻥ ﺧﻮﺑﯽ ﻫﻢ ﺩﺍﺭﺩ. ﻫﺮ ﭼﻨﺪ ﻣﺸﺨﺺ ﺍﺳﺖ ﮐﻪ ﺯﺣﻤﺖ ﮐﺸﯿﺪﻩ ﺍﯾﺪ ﺍﻣﺎ ﮐﻼ ﯾﻪ ﺗﺠﺪﯾﺪ ﻧﻈﺮ ﺍﺳﺎﺳﯽ ﺩﺭ ﻗﺴﻤﺖ ﺑﻨﺪﯼ ﻭ ﻃﺮﺍﺣﯽ ﻭ ﭼﯿﺪﻣﺎﻥ ﻧﯿﺎﺯ ﺩﺍﺭﯾﺪ.
۵. ﮐﺪﻫﺎﯼ ﺳﺎﯾﺖ ﺷﻤﺎ ﮐﺠﺎﺳﺖ؟ ﻣﺪﯾﺮﯾﺖ ﺳﺎﯾﺖ ﺗﻬﭙﺎﮒ ﻭ ﺗﻬﻼﮒ ﻭ ... ﺩﺳﺖ ﺧﻮﺩ ﺑﭽﻪ ﻫﺎﯼ ﻻﮒ ﻫﺎﺳﺖ.
۶. ﺧﺎﻃﺮﻡ ﺍﺳﺖ ﭘﺎﯾﻠﺮﻥ ﯾﻪ ﻭﯾﮑﯽ ﺩﺍﺷﺖ ﮐﻪ ﺑﻪ ﻧﻈﺮ ﻣﻦ ﻋﺎﻟﯽ ﺑﻮﺩ! ﻫﻤﻪ ﻣﯽ ﺗﻮﺍﻧﺴﺘﻨﺪ ﺩﺭ ﻣﺴﺘﻨﺪﺍﺕ ﻣﺸﺎﺭﮎ ﺩﺍﺷﺘﻪ ﺑﺎﺷﻨﺪ. ﺳﺎﺩﻩ ﻭ ﻗﺎﺑﻞ ﻓﻬﻢ ﺑﻮﺩ. ﻭﯾﮑﯽ ﻋﺎﻟﯽ ﺍﺳﺖ. ﻫﻤﯿﻦ ﻭﯾﮑﯽ ﻣﺪﯾﺎ! ﯾﺎ ﺍﻭﻥ ﯾﮑﯽ ﭘﺎﯾﺘﻮﻧﯿﻪ ﭼﯽ ﺑﻮﺩ ﻣﻌﯿﻦ ﻣﻌﯿﻦ ﻣﻮﯾﻦ ﻣﻮﯾﻦ ﻣﺎﯾﻦ ﻣﺎﯾﻦ ...! ﺑﺮﺍﯼ ﻣﻄﺎﻟﺐ ﺁﻣﻮﺯﺷﯽ ﻭﯾﮑﯽ ﮐﺎﻣﻼ ﻣﻨﺎﺳﺐ ﺍﺳﺖ.
۷. ﭘﺎﯾﯿﻦ ﺳﺎﯾﺖ ﻫﻢ ﮐﻪ ﻧﻮﺷﺘﻪ ﺍﯾﺪ "ﺗﻤﺎﻣﯽ ﻣﻨﺎﺑﻊ ﻭ ﻣﻄﺎﻟﺐ ﻣﺤﻔﻮﻅ ﻣﯽ ﺑﺎﺷﺪ"! ﻣﻌﻨﯽ ﺁﻥ ﭼﯿﺴﺖ؟! ﻣﺠﻮﺯﯼ ﻧﺪﺍﺭﺩ؟
۸. ﺩﺭ ﻗﺴﻤﺖ ﮐﺎﺩﺭ ﺻﻔﺤﻪ ﺍﺑﺘﺪﺍﯾﯽ ﺟﻤﻼﺗﯽ ﺩﺭﺝ ﮐﺮﺩﯾﺪ ﮐﻪ ﺑﯿﺸﺘﺮ ﺑﻪ ﺑﺮﺩﺍﺷﺖ ﺷﺨﺼﯽ ﻭ ﺍﺣﺴﺎﺳﯽ ﺍﺯ ﭘﺎﯾﺘﻮﻥ ﺑﺮ ﻣﯽ ﮔﺮﺩﻩ ﺗﺎ ﻋﻘﻼﻧﯽ!
"ﭘﺪﯾﺪﻩ ﺷﮕﻔﺖ"! "ﺗﻤﺜﯿﻠﯽ ﺍﺯ ﯾﮏ ﺑﯽ ﺍﻧﺘﻬﺎ" ﯾﺎ ﻣﺜﻼ ﻣﻮﺭﺩ ﻫﺸﺘﻢ ﺭﺍ ﻧﻮﺷﺘﻪ ﺍﯾﺪ "ﺳﺮﻋﺖ ﺑﺴﯿﺎﺭ ﺑﺎﻻ"!!! ﻣﺒﻨﺎﯼ ﺍﯾﻦ ﺟﻤﻠﻪ ﭼﯿﺴﺖ؟ ﭘﺎﯾﺘﻮﻥ ﺩﺭ ﻣﻘﺎﯾﺴﻪ ﺑﺎ ﮐﺪﺍﻡ ﺯﺑﺎﻥ ﺳﺮﻋﺘﺶ ﺑﺴﯿﺎﺭ ﺑﺎﻻﺳﺖ؟ ﺍﺗﻔﺎﻗﺎ ﺩﺭ ﭘﺎﯾﺘﻮﻥ ﺑﻪ ﻫﯿﭻ ﻋﻨﻮﺍﻥ ﺑﺮ ﺳﺮﻋﺖ ﺗﺎﮐﯿﺪ ﻧﺸﺪﻩ ﻭ ﻧﻤﯽ ﺷﻮﺩ ﻭ ﭘﺎﯾﯿﻦ ﺗﺮ ﺍﺯ ﺑﻘﯿﻪ ﻫﻢ ﺍﺳﺖ ﻭ ﺍﺳﺎﺳﺎ ﺍﺯ ﺍﻭﻟﻮﯾﺖ ﻫﺎﯼ ﭘﺎﯾﺘﻮﻥ ﻫﻢ ﻧﺒﻮﺩﻩ ﺍﺳﺖ.
۹. ﺑﻪ ﮐﺮﺍﺕ ﺍﺯ ﺿﻤﯿﺮ "ﻣﺎ" ﺍﺳﺘﻔﺎﺩﻩ ﻣﯽ ﮐﻨﯿﺪ ﻭ ﺗﺎﮐﯿﺪ ﺩﺍﺭﯾﺪ ﮐﻪ ﻓﻘﻂ ﺷﻤﺎ ﻭ ۳ ﺍﻟﯽ ۴ ﻧﻔﺮ ﻧﯿﺴﺘﯿﺪ! ﺧﺐ ﺍﯾﻦ "ﻣﺎ" ﯾﺎ ﺟﻤﻊ ﺑﺰﺭﮒ ﮐﯽ ﻭ ﮐﺠﺎﺳﺖ؟
۱۰. ﭘﺎﯾﺘﻮﻥ ﮐﻪ ﻫﺪﻑ ﻧﯿﺴﺖ. ﯾﮏ ﺯﺑﺎﻧﯽ ﻣﺜﻞ ﺑﻘﯿﻪ ﺯﺑﺎﻧﻬﺎ. ﺣﺎﻻ ﭼﻨﺪ ﻧﻔﺮ ﺟﻤﻊ ﺷﺪﻧﺪ ﮐﻪ ﺑﺎ ﻫﻢ ﻭ ﺍﺯ ﻫﻢ ﯾﺎﺩ ﺑﮕﯿﺮﻧﺪ ﭼﻮﻥ ﻓﮑﺮ ﻣﯽ ﮐﻨﻨﺪ ﮐﻪ ﭘﺎﯾﺘﻮﻥ ﺑﻪ ﻋﻨﻮﺍﻥ ﯾﮏ ﺍﺑﺰﺍﺭ ﻣﯽ ﺗﻮﻧﻪ ﺑﺮﺍﺷﻮﻥ ﻣﻔﯿﺪ ﺑﺎﺷﻪ. ﭘﺎﯾﺘﻮﻥ ﮐﻪ ﻓﻠﺴﻔﻪ ﯾﺎ ﺁﺭﻣﺎﻥ ﯾﺎ ﺍﻧﺪﯾﺸﻪ ﯾﺎ ﻣﮑﺘﺐ ﯾﺎ ﺗﻔﮑﺮ ﯾﺎ ... ﻧﯿﺴﺖ ﮐﻪ ﻣﯽ ﻓﺮﻣﺎﯾﯿﺪ "ﮔﺴﺘﺮﺵ ﭘﺎﯾﺘﻮﻥ ﺩﺭ ﺍﯾﺮﺍﻥ ﻭ ﺁﻣﻮﺯﺵ ﻭ ﺁﮔﺎﻫﯽ ﻣﺮﺩﻡ" ﯾﺎ "ﻗﺪﺭﺕ ﻣﺎ ﺩﺭ ﺍﺗﺤﺎﺩ ﻭ ﻫﻤﺒﺴﺘﮕﯽ ﺧﻮﺍﻫﺪ ﺑﻮﺩ" !!! ﺟﺎﻣﻌﻪ ﺍﮔﺮ ﻧﯿﺎﺯ ﭘﯿﺪﺍ ﮐﻨﻪ ﺧﺐ ﺟﺬﺏ ﻣﯽ ﮐﻨﻪ! ﻣﺜﻞ ﺑﻘﯿﻪ ﭼﯿﺰﻫﺎ! ﭘﺎﮒ ﻫﻢ ﻫﻤﯿﻨﻪ! ﺍﺗﻔﺎﻗﺎ ﭘﺎﯾﺘﻮﻥ ﺭﻭ ﺑﺎﯾﺪ ﺩﺭ ﮐﻨﺎﺭ ﺳﺎﯾﺮ ﺯﺑﺎﻥ ﻫﺎ ﺑﺒﯿﻨﯿﺪ ﻭ ﺟﺪﺍ ﻧﮑﻨﯿﺪ. ﻫﺮ ﮐﺪﺍﻡ ﺑﺮﺍﯼ ﮐﺎﺭﯼ ﻣﻔﯿﺪﻧﺪ. ﻣﮕﺮ ﺍﯾﻨﮑﻪ ﻫﺪﻑ، ﺍﻓﺰﺍﯾﺶ ﺍﻗﺒﺎﻝ ﻭ ﭘﺬﯾﺮﺵ ﭘﺎﯾﺘﻮﻥ ﺑﻪ ﺗﻨﺎﺳﺐ ﮐﺎﺭﺍﯾﯽ ﺍﺵ ﺩﺭ ﻣﺤﯿﻂ ﮐﺴﺐ ﻭ ﮐﺎﺭ ﻭ ﺑﻪ ﺗﺒﻊ ﺁﻥ ﺳﻮﺩﺁﻭﺭﯼ ﺑﺮﺍﯼ ﻫﺪﻑ ﮔﺬﺍﺭﺍﻥ ﺑﺎﺷﻪ!
۱۱. ﻣﻮﺍﺭﺩ ﺑﺎﻻ ﺭﺍ ﺑﻪ ﺟﻬﺖ ﺍﯾﻨﮑﻪ ﻓﺮﻣﻮﺩﯾﺪ "ﻭﻟﯽ ﺩﺭﮐﻞ ﮐﺎﺭ ﻗﺸﻨﮕﯽ ﻧﯿﺴﺖ ﮐﻪ ﺭﻭﯼ ﻫﻤﺪﯾﮕﻪ ﺧﻂ ﺑﮑﺸﯿﻢ" ﻋﺮﺽ ﮐﺮﺩﻡ. ﻣﻮﺿﻮﻉ ﺧﻂ ﮐﺸﯽ ﻧﯿﺴﺖ! ﻣﻮﺿﻮﻉ ﻋﺪﻡ ﺳﻨﺨﯿﺖ ﻓﻀﺎﻫﺎﯼ ﮐﺎﺭﯼ ﻭ ﻓﮑﺮﯼ ﺑﺎ ﯾﮑﺪﯾﮕﺮ ﺍﺳﺖ ﮐﻪ ﺑﺎﯾﺪ ﺑﻪ ﯾﮑﺪﯾﮕﺮ ﻧﺰﺩﯾﮏ ﺷﻮﻧﺪ.
On 05/15/2014 04:04 AM, Saeed Farahani wrote:
ﺑﻪ ﻧﻈﺮﻡ ﺍﻭﻝ ﺑﺎﯾﺪ ﺑﻪ ﯾﮏ ﻫﺪﻑ ﻣﺸﺨﺺ ﻭ ﻣﺸﺘﺮﮎ ﺩﺭ ﺭﺍﺑﻄﻪ ﺑﺎ ﺭﺍﻩ ﺍﻧﺪﺍﺯﯼ ﻓﺮﻭﻡ ﺑﺮﺳﯿﻢ.
ﻣﻦ ﺩﺭ ﺟﻠﺴﻪ ﭘﯿﺶ ﮐﻪ ﻓﺮﻭﻡ ﺭﻭ ﭘﯿﺸﻨﻬﺎﺩ ﺩﺍﺩﻡ ﺑﯿﺸﺘﺮ ﻧﻈﺮﻡ ﺭﻭﯼ ﺍﻣﮑﺎﻧﯽ ﺑﻮﺩ ﮐﻪ ﯾﮏ ﺳﺮﯼ ﭘﺮﻭﮊﻩ ﻫﺎﯼ ﮐﻮﭼﯿﮏ (ﭼﻨﺪ ﺧﻄﯽ) ﺗﻌﺮﯾﻒ ﺑﺸﻪ ﻭ ﻫﺮﮐﯽ ﺑﺎ ﺗﻮﺟﻪ ﺑﻪ ﺗﻮﺍﻧﺎﯾﯿﺶ ﮐﺪ ﺧﻮﺩﺵ ﺭﻭ ﺑﻨﻮﯾﺴﻪ ﻭ ﺍﻭﻧﺠﺎ ﺑﺰﺍﺭﻩ ﺗﺎ ﺩﺭ ﺭﺍﺑﻄﻪ ﺑﺎﻫﺎﺵ ﺑﺤﺚ ﮐﻨﯿﻢ ﻭ ﯾﺎ ﺳﺒﮏ ﻭ ﺗﮑﻨﯿﮏ ﮐﺪ ﻧﻮﯾﺴﯽ ﺩﯾﮕﺮﺍﻥ ﺭﻭ ﺑﺒﯿﻨﯿﻢ ﻭ ﯾﺎﺩ ﺑﮕﯿﺮﯾﻢ. ﺍﯾﻦ ﺩﺭ ﺭﺍﺑﻄﻪ ﺑﺎ ﺑﺮﻧﺎﻣﻪ ﻧﻮﯾﺲ ﻫﺎﯼ ﺗﺎﺯﻩ ﮐﺎﺭ ﭘﺎﯾﺘﻮﻥ ﺗﻮﯼ ﭘﺎﮒ ﻫﺴﺖ ﮐﻪ ﺩﻟﯿﻠﯽ ﺑﺸﻪ ﮐﻪ ﺩﺳﺖ ﺑﻪ ﮐﺪ ﺑﺸﻦ ﻭ ﺍﺑﺪﺍ ﻣﻨﻈﻮﺭﻡ ﺭﺍﻩ ﺍﻧﺪﺍﺯﯼ ﯾﮏ ﻓﺮﻭﻡ ﺧﻔﻦ ﻭ ﺗﺒﻠﯿﻎ ﻭ ﻋﻀﻮ ﮔﯿﺮﯼ ﻭ ﺍﯾﻨﺎ ﻧﯿﺴﺖ.
ﺍﯾﻨﮑﻪ ﺍﺳﻢ ﻓﺮﻭﻡ ﺭﻭ ﺁﻭﺭﺩﻡ ﻣﻨﻈﻮﺭﻡ ﺍﺳﺘﻔﺎﺩﻩ ﺍﺯ ﻧﺮﻡ ﺍﻓﺰﺍﺭ ﻫﺎﯼ ﻓﺮﻭﻡ ﺳﺎﺯﻩ ﺑﺮﺍﯼ ﺭﺍﺣﺘﯽ ﮐﺎﺭ ﺑﻮﺩﻩ ﻭ ﺁﻧﭽﻪ ﻣﺪ ﻧﻈﺮﻡ ﺑﻮﺩ ﺍﺻﻼ ﺷﺒﺎﻫﺘﯽ ﺑﺎ ﻓﺮﻭﻡ ﻫﺎﯼ ﺩﯾﮕﻪ ﻧﺪﺍﺭﻩ ﭼﻮﻥ ﻭﻗﺘﺶ ﺭﻭ ﻧﺪﺍﺭﻡ ﺑﺨﻮﺍﻡ ﯾﮏ ﻓﺮﻭﻡ ﺭﺍﻩ ﺍﻧﺪﺍﺯﯼ ﮐﻨﻢ.
ﺑﺎ ﺍﯾﻦ ﺣﺎﻝ ﻓﮑﺮ ﻣﯿﮑﻨﻢ ﺍﺻﻼ ﻣﻬﻢ ﻧﺒﺎﺷﻪ ﺍﯾﻦ ﻧﺮﻡ ﺍﻓﺰﺍﺭ ﺭﻭ ﮐﺠﺎ ﻧﺼﺐ ﻣﯿﮑﻨﯿﻢ ﻣﻬﻢ ﺭﺍﻩ ﺍﻧﺪﺍﺯﯾﺸﻪ ﮐﻪ ﺯﻭﺩﺗﺮ ﺍﻧﺠﺎﻡ ﺑﺸﻪ ﺗﺎ ﺍﺯﺵ ﺍﺳﺘﻔﺎﺩﻩ ﮐﻨﯿﻢ.
ﻭ ﻣﻮﺭﺩ ﺩﯾﮕﻪ ﺍﯾﻨﮑﻪ ﺍﮔﺮ ﻫﻢ ﭘﺎﮒ ﻗﺼﺪ ﺩﺍﺭﻩ ﯾﮏ ﻓﺮﻭﻡ ﻫﻤﻪ ﺟﺎﻧﺒﻪ ﺭﺍﻩ ﺍﻧﺪﺍﺯﯼ ﮐﻨﻪ ﺍﻭﻥ ﻧﯿﺎﺯ ﺑﻪ ﻫﻤﻔﮑﺮﯼ ﺑﯿﺸﺘﺮﯼ ﺩﺍﺭﻩ.
2014-05-14 19:41 GMT+04:30 Ali hallaji <ali.hallaji1 at gmail.com>:
ﺩﻭﺳﺘﺎﻥ ﻧﻈﺮﺍﺕ ﺧﯿﻠﯽ ﭘﺮﺍﮐﻨﺪﻩ ﻫﺴﺖ.
ﻣﻦ ﻓﮏ ﻣﯿﮑﻨﻢ ﺑﻌﻀﯽ ﺩﻭﺳﺘﺎﻥ ﺩﻭﺳﺖ ﻧﺪﺍﺭﻧﺪ ﮐﻪ ﺗﻮ ﭘﺎﯼ ﺳﻮﺷﯿﺎﻝ ﺑﯿﺎﻥ.ﻧﻤﯿﺪﻭﻧﻢ ﭼﺮﺍ...!
ﻭ ﺍﯾﻦ ﺧﻮﺏ ﻧﯿﺴﺖ ﮐﻪ ﻣﺎ ﻫﻤﺪﯾﮕﺮﻭ ﻗﺒﻮﻝ ﻧﺪﺍﺷﺘﻪ ﺑﺎﺷﯿﻢ، ﻣﻦ ﺑﺮﺍﯼ ﭘﺎﮒ ﻭ ﺗﮏ ﺗﮏ ﺍﻋﻀﺎﺷﻮﻥ ﺍﺣﺘﺮﺍﻡ ﻗﺎﺋﻠﻢ ﻭ ﺣﺘﯽ ﺍﮔﺮ ﭘﺎﯼ ﺳﻮﺷﯿﺎﻝ ﻫﻢ ﺍﻧﺘﺨﺎﺏ ﻧﮑﻨﯿﺪ ﺑﺮﺍﯼ ﻣﯿﺰﺑﺎﻧﯽ، ﺑﺎﺯ ﻫﻢ ﺍﺣﺘﺮﺍﻡ ﻣﺎ ﺑﺎﻗﯽ ﺧﻮﺍﻫﺪ ﻣﺎﻧﺪ، ﻭ ﺣﺘﯽ ﺍﮔﺮ ﮐﺎﺭﯼ ﺍﺯ ﺩﺳﺘﻤﻮﻥ ﺑﺮﺍﯼ ﺷﻤﺎ ﺑﺮ ﺑﯿﺎﺩ ﺑﺮﺍﺗﻮﻥ ﺍﻧﺠﺎﻡ ﻣﯿﺪﯾﻢ، ﺍﻟﺒﺘﻪ ﺍﮔﺮ ﺑﺨﻮﺍﻫﯿﺪ. ﻭ ﺗﻼﺵ ﻫﻢ ﻣﯿﮑﻨﯿﻢ ﮐﻪ ﺍﮔﺮ ﺗﻮﻧﺴﺘﯿﻢ ﺑﺮﺍﺗﻮﻥ ﻣﺤﺒﻮﺑﯿﺖ ﻫﻢ ﺑﻪ ﺍﺭﻣﻐﺎﻥ ﺑﯿﺎﺭﯾﻢ.
ﻭﻟﯽ ﺩﺭﮐﻞ ﮐﺎﺭ ﻗﺸﻨﮕﯽ ﻧﯿﺴﺖ ﮐﻪ ﺭﻭﯼ ﻫﻤﺪﯾﮕﻪ ﺧﻂ ﺑﮑﺸﯿﻢ.
ﺧﻮﺏ ﻣﺎ ﺍﻻﻥ ﺍﯾﻦ ﺳﺎﯾﺖ ﻭ ﺍﻣﮑﺎﻥ ﺭﻭ ﺩﺭﺳﺖ ﮐﺮﺩﯾﻢ ﻭ ﻫﻤﻤﻮﻥ ﻫﻢ ﭘﺎﯾﺘﻮﻧﯽ ﻫﺴﺘﯿﻢ ﻭ ﺧﯿﻠﯽ ﺍﺯ ﮐﺎﺭﻫﺎ ﻫﻢ ﺑﻪ ﺯﯾﺒﺎﯾﯽ ﻭ ﮐﯿﻔﯿﺖ ﻫﺮ ﭼﻪ ﺗﻤﺎﻡ ﺩﺭ ﭘﺎﯼ ﺳﻮﺷﯿﺎﻝ ﺍﻧﺠﺎﻡ ﺷﺪﻩ، ﺍﺯ ﺳﺮﻋﺖ ﮔﺮﻓﺘﻪ ﺗﺎ ﺗﮑﻨﻮﻟﻮﮊﯼ ﻭ ﻋﻠﻢ ﺳﺎﺧﺘﻪ ﺫﻫﻦ ﺍﯾﺮﺍﻧﯽ. ﻭﺍﻗﻌﺎ ﺳﺎﺧﺖ ﻓﺮﻭﻡ ﮐﺎﺭ ﺳﺎﺩﻩ ﺍﯾﯽ ﻧﯿﺴﺖ، ﺗﺎﺯﻩ ﺍﮔﺮﻡ ﻣﯿﺨﻮﺍﻫﯿﺪ ﮐﯿﻔﯿﺖ ﺩﺍﺷﺘﻪ ﺑﺎﺷﻪ، ﺑﺎﻭﺭ ﮐﻨﯿﺪ ﺗﯿﻢ ﻣﺎ ﻓﻘﻂ ﻣﻦ ﻭ ۳ ﺍﻟﯽ ۴ ﻧﻔﺮ ﻧﯿﺴﺘﯿﻢ، ﻭ ﺍﯾﻦ ﺗﻮ ﺣﺮﻑ ﺳﺎﺩﺱ ﮐﻪ ﺧﻮﺩﻣﻮﻥ ﺑﺰﻧﯿﻢ ﻭ ﺑﺴﺎﺯﯾﻢ(ﻣﯿﺘﻮﻧﯿﺪ ﻭﻟﯽ ﻭﺍﻗﻌﺎ ﺯﻣﺎﻥ ﺑﺮ ﻭ ﺳﺨﺘﻪ)، ﺗﻮﯾﻪ ﮐﺎﺭ ﺑﻪ ﺳﺨﺘﯿﻪ ﮐﺎﺭ ﭘﯽ ﺧﻮﺍﻫﯿﺪ ﺑﺮﺩ، ﺍﻟﺒﺘﻪ ﺍﮔﻪ ﻣﯿﺨﻮﺍﻫﯿﺪ ﯾﻪ ﻓﺮﻭﻡ ﺧﻮﺏ ﺩﺍﺷﺘﻪ ﺑﺎﺷﯿﺪ.
ﻫﺪﻑ ﻣﺎ (ﭘﺎﯼ ﺳﻮﺷﯿﺎﻝ ﻭ ﻫﻤﯿﻨﻄﻮﺭ ﭘﺎﮒ ﺍﮔﺮ ﺍﺷﺘﺒﺎﻩ ﻧﮑﺮﺩﻩ ﺑﺎﺷﻢ) ﯾﻪ ﭼﯿﺰﻩ، ﺍﻭﻧﻢ ﮔﺴﺘﺮﺵ ﭘﺎﯾﺘﻮﻥ ﺩﺭ ﺍﯾﺮﺍﻥ ﻭ ﺁﻣﻮﺯﺵ ﻭ ﺁﮔﺎﻫﯽ ﻣﺮﺩﻡ ﺍﺯ ﻃﺮﯾﻖ ﻭﺭﮎ ﺷﺎﭖ ﻭ ﺳﺎﯾﺖ ﻭ ﺭﺳﺎﻧﻪ ﻫﺎﯾﯽ ﻫﺴﺖ ﮐﻪ ﺩﺭ ﺍﺧﺘﯿﺎﺭ ﺩﺍﺭﯾﻢ.ﻭ ﻗﺪﺭﺕ ﻣﺎ ﺩﺭ ﺍﺗﺤﺎﺩ ﻭ ﻫﻤﺒﺴﺘﮕﯽ ﺧﻮﺍﻫﺪ ﺑﻮﺩ.
ﺑﻪ ﻫﺮ ﺣﺎﻝ ﻣﺎ ﻫﻤﻪ ﺟﻮﺭﻩ ﺩﺭ ﺧﺪﻣﺖ ﻫﻤﻪ ﭘﺎﯾﺘﻮﻥ ﮐﺎﺭﺍﻥ ﻋﺰﯾﺰ ﺍﯾﺮﺍﻧﯽ ﻫﺴﺘﯿﻢ ﻭ ﻧﻘﻄﻪ ﺍﺷﺘﺮﺍﮎ ﻫﻤﻪ ﻣﺎ ﭘﺎﯾﺘﻮﻥ ﻫﺴﺖ.
ﺯﻧﺪﻩ ﺑﺎﺩ ﭘﺎﯾﺘﻮﻥ
ﺍﻣﯿﺪﻭﺍﺭﻡ ﻫﻤﯿﺸﻪ ﺷﺎﺩﻭ ﭘﯿﺮﻭﺯ ﻣﻮﯾﺪ ﺑﺎﺷﯿﺪ.
2014-05-14 19:01 GMT+04:30 NIM4N <nim4n at yahoo.com.dmarc.invalid>:
ﻓﮑﺮ ﻧﮑﻨﻢ ﻧﯿﺎﺯ ﺑﺎﺷﻪ ﮐﺴﯽ ﺭﻭ ﭘﯿﺪﺍ ﮐﻨﯿﻢ ﻫﻤﯿﻦ ﺟﻤﻌﯽ ﮐﻪ ﺗﻮ ﻣﯿﻠﯿﻨﮓ ﻟﯿﺴﺖ ﺟﻮﺍﺏ ﻣﯿﺪﻥ ﺍﻭﻧﺠﺎ ﻫﻢ ﺟﻮﺍﺏ ﻣﯿﺪﻥ.
ﻫﻤﯿﻦ ﭘﺎﮒ ﻫﻢ ﻣﻤﮑﻨﻪ ﻣﻘﻄﻌﯽ ﺑﺎﺷﻪ ﺩﻟﯿﻞ ﻣﯿﺸﻪ ﮐﻪ ﻧﺨﻮﺍﯾﻢ ﺍﻻﻥ ﺟﻠﺴﻪ ﺗﺸﮑﯿﻞ ﺑﺪﯾﻢ؟!
ﺻﺎﺣﺐ ﻓﺮﻭﻡ ﭼﺮﺍ؟ ﺭﻭﯼ ﻫﻤﯿﻦ ﺳﺎﯾﺖ ﭘﺎﮒ ﺭﺍﻥ ﻣﯿﮑﻨﯿﻢ.
On 05/14/2014 03:08 PM, Keyvan Hedayati wrote:
@Saeed Farahani
ﻣﻤﻨﻮﻥ ﺍﺯ ﮐﻤﮏﺗﻮﻥ ﻭﻟﯽ ﺑﻪ ﻧﻈﺮﻡ ﺍﺳﺘﻔﺎﺩﻩ ﺍﺯ ﯾﻪ ﻓﺮﻭﻡ ﺟﺪﺍﮔﺎﻧﻪ ﺑﻬﺘﺮﻩ:
۱. ﺩﯾﺪﻩ ﺷﺪﻥ ﺑﯿﻦ ﮐﺎﺭﺑﺮﺍﯼ ﻓﺮﻭﻡﻫﺎﯼ ﺩﯾﮕﻪ ﻭ ﺗﺸﻮﯾﻖ ﺍﻭﻧﻬﺎ ﺑﻪ ﻓﻌﺎﻟﯿﺖ ﻭ ﻋﻀﻮ ﺷﺪﻥ
۲. ﺩﺭﺩﺳﺮ ﺗﺒﻠﯿﻐﺎﺕ ﻭ ﻣﺪﯾﺮﯾﺖ ﻭ ﭘﯿﺪﺍ ﮐﺮﺩﻥ ﮐﺎﺭﺑﺮ(ﻓﻌﺎﻝ)
۳. ﺍﻣﮑﺎﻥ ﻣﻘﻄﻌﯽ ﺑﻮﺩﻥ ﻓﻌﺎﻟﯿﺖ ﻭ ﺍﯾﻨﮑﻪ ﺑﻌﺪ ﺍﺯ ﯾﻪ ﻣﺪﺕ ﺩﯾﮕﻪ ﺍﻧﺠﻤﻦ ﻓﻌﺎﻟﯿﺘﯽ ﻧﺪﺍﺷﺘﻪ ﺑﺎﺷﻪ، ﮐﻪ ﺑﺎ ﺗﺠﺮﺑﻪ ۳ ۴ ﻓﻌﺎﻟﯿﺖ ﺗﻮ ﻓﺮﻭﻡﻫﺎ ﺣﺲ ﺧﻮﺑﯽ ﺑﻪ ﺍﯾﻦ ﻣﻮﺿﻮﻉ ﻧﺪﺍﺭﻡ.
۴. ﻭﺟﻮﺩ ﻭﺍﺑﺴﺘﮕﯽ، ﻣﺜﻼ ﺍﮔﻪ ﻓﺮﺩﺍ ﻓﺮﻭﻡ ﺩﺍﻭﻥ ﺑﺸﻪ ﯾﺎ ﯾﻪ ﻣﺸﮑﻠﯽ ﭘﯿﺶ ﺑﯿﺎﺩ ﺑﺎﯾﺪ ﺩﻧﺒﺎﻝ ﺻﺎﺣﺐ ﻓﺮﻭﻡ ﺑﺪﻭﯾﯿﻢ ﮐﻪ ﻣﺸﮑﻞ ﺭﻭ ﺣﻞ ﮐﻨﻪ، ﺩﺭ ﺣﺎﻟﯽ ﮐﻪ ﺍﮔﻪ ﺗﻮ ﻓﺮﻭﻡﻫﺎﯼ ﻣﻄﻤﺌﻦ ﺍﯾﻦ ﻣﺸﮑﻞ ﻭﺟﻮﺩ ﻧﺪﺍﺭﻩ. ﻣﻦ ﺩﺭ ﻣﻮﺭﺩ ﻭﺍﺑﺴﺘﮕﯽ ﺗﺠﺮﺑﻪ ﺑﺪﯼ ﺩﺍﺭﻡ ﻭ ﻣﺠﺒﻮﺭ ﺷﺪﻡ ﺑﺮﺍﯼ ﺍﻧﺠﺎﻡ ﯾﻪ ﮐﺎﺭ ﮐﻮﭼﯿﮏ ﭼﻨﺪ ﻫﻔﺘﻪ ﺩﻧﺒﺎﻝ ﯾﻪ ﻧﻔﺮ ﺑﯿﻔﺘﻢ ﺗﺎ ﺍﻭﻥ ﮐﺎﺭ ﺭﻭ ﺍﻧﺠﺎﻡ ﺑﺪﻩ ﺑﺮﺍﻣﻮﻥ. ﺑﻪ ﻫﻤﯿﻦ ﺩﻟﯿﻞ ﻫﻤﯿﺸﻪ ﺗﻼﺵ ﺩﺍﺭﻡ ﮐﻤﺘﺮﯾﻦ ﻭﺍﺑﺴﺘﮕﯽ ﺭﻭ ﺩﺍﺷﺘﻪ ﺑﺎﺷﯿﻢ.
۵. ﺩﺭ ﻣﻮﺭﺩ ﺳﺮﭺ ﮔﻮﮔﻞ ﻫﻢ ﺑﻪ ﻧﻈﺮﻡ ﺑﻪ ﺍﻧﺪﺍﺯﻩ ﮐﺎﻓﯽ ﻟﯿﻨﮏ ﺩﺍﺭﯾﻢ(ﺳﺎﯾﺖ، ﮔﯿﺖﻫﺎﺏ، ﺗﻮﯾﯿﺘﺮ، ﻓﯿﺴﺒﻮﮎ، ﯾﻮﺗﯿﻮﺏ ﻭ ...) ﺗﺎﺯﻩ ﺑﺮﺍﯼ ﺗﺒﻠﯿﻐﺎﺕ ﻫﻢ ﺧﯿﻠﯽ ﮐﺎﺭﻫﺎ ﻣﯿﺘﻮﻧﯿﻢ ﺍﻧﺠﺎﻡ ﺑﺪﯾﻢ ﻭ ﺑﻪ ﻧﻈﺮﻡ ﺩﺭ ﺍﯾﻦ ﻣﻮﺭﺩ ﻣﺸﮑﻠﯽ ﻧﺪﺍﺭﯾﻢ.
ﺍﻟﺒﺘﻪ ﻓﺮﻭﻡ ﺗﯿﻢ ﭘﺎﯼ ﺳﻮﺷﯿﺎﻝ ﻫﻢ ﻣﯽﺗﻮﻧﻪ ﺟﺎﯼ ﺧﻮﺑﯽ ﺑﺮﺍﯼ ﻓﻌﺎﻟﯿﺖ ﺑﺎﺷﻪ ﻭ ﺍﺯ ﺍﻭﻧﺠﺎ ﻫﻢ ﻣﯽﺗﻮﻧﯿﻢ ﺍﺳﺘﻔﺎﺩﻩ ﮐﻨﯿﻢ.
2014-05-14 8:56 GMT+04:30 NIM4N <nim4n at yahoo.com.dmarc.invalid>:
ﻧﮑﺘﻪ ﻣﺜﺒﺖ ﺍﯾﻨﮑﻪ ﻓﺮﻭﻡ ﺭﻭﯼ ﺳﺎﯾﺖ ﭘﺎﮒ ﺑﺎﺷﻪ ﺍﯾﻨﻪ ﮐﻪ ﭘﺎﮒ ﺑﯿﺸﺘﺮ ﺩﯾﺪﻩ ﻣﯿﺸﻪ ﺗﻮﯼ ﺳﺮﭺ ﮔﻮﮔﻞ .
On 05/13/2014 10:14 PM, Saeed Farahani wrote:
ﺧﻮﺏ ﻣﻦ ﮐﻪ ﮔﻔﺘﻢ ﻣﯿﺘﻮﻧﻢ ﺍﻧﺠﻤﻦ ﺭﺍﻩ ﺍﻧﺪﺍﺯﯼ ﮐﻨﻢ. ﻫﻢ ﻻﯾﺴﻨﺲ ﻭﯼ ﺑﯽ ﺩﺍﺭﻡ ﻫﻢ ﻫﺰﯾﻨﻪ ﻫﺎﯼ ﻫﺎﺳﺖ ﻭ ﺩﺍﻣﻨﻪ ﺭﻭ ﺗﻘﺒﻞ ﻣﯿﮑﻨﻢ!!!
2014-05-13 21:15 GMT+04:30 Keyvan Hedayati <k1.hedayati93 at gmail.com>:
ﻣﻦ ﭘﯿﮕﯿﺮﯼ ﺧﺎﺻﯽ ﺩﺭ ﺍﯾﻦ ﻣﻮﺭﺩ ﺍﻧﺠﺎﻡ ﻧﺪﺍﺩﻡ ﻭﻟﯽ ﺑﻪ ﻧﻈﺮﻡ ﺍﮔﻪ ﻗﺮﺍﺭﻩ ﻓﺮﻭﻡ ﺩﺍﺷﺘﻪ ﺑﺎﺷﯿﻢ ﺑﻬﺘﺮﻩ ﺍﺯ ﯾﮑﯽ ﺍﺯ ﻓﺮﻭﻡﻫﺎﯼ ﻣﻮﺟﻮﺩ ﻣﺜﻞ ﺑﺮﻧﺎﻣﻪ ﻧﻮﯾﺴﯽ، ﺗﮑﻨﻮﺗﺎﮐﺲ ﯾﺎ ﺍﺑﻮﻧﺘﻮ ﺍﺳﺘﻔﺎﺩﻩ ﮐﻨﯿﻢ ﻭ ﺧﻮﺩﻣﻮﻥ ﯾﻪ ﻓﺮﻭﻡ ﺟﺪﺍﮔﺎﻧﻪ ﻧﺴﺎﺯﯾﻢ.
2014-05-13 20:57 GMT+04:30 Niman N <nim4n at yahoo.com.dmarc.invalid>:
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