[Tkinter-discuss] [REQ] Tkinter programmer

Cameron Laird Cameron at phaseit.net
Mon Mar 5 19:15:48 CET 2012

On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 07:38:11AM -0500, Kevin Walzer wrote:
> It appears the tone of the discussion is deteriorating rapidly here.
> fresher, the purpose of this mailing list is to provide discussion and 
> assistance in solving problems related to the Tkinter GUI toolkit and 
> the Python programming language. List members are willing to provide 
> advice and guidance to inexperienced developers, at no cost. The goal is 
> to help inexperienced developers improve and thus further the 
> development of applications in Python and Tkinter.
> Offering to hire someone to do your work for you short-circuits that 
> learning process on your end, and (as you've indicated) will likely 
> provide inadequate compensation to the person you're trying to hire. 
> This list really isn't the place to contract for that kind of project.
> If you're absolutely stuck on where to start on your first project, try 
> Googling for "tkinter calculator."  This turned up several hits for me. 
> Finding some basic open-source code to look at will put you several 
> steps ahead of starting from scratch, and you may learn something in the 
> process. As for the second project you are offering, it is impossible to 
> tell from the screenshot you posted exactly what is involved.
> If you are dead-set on hiring someone to do your work for you, then you 
> may have more luck at one of the freelance coding sites (Guru, 
> rent-a-coder, etc.).
Well-written, Kevin; thank you.

I have a few personal observations:
1.  Commercial language--a solicitation for paid work,
    for instance--*is* welcome on this Tkinter mailing
    list.  I say so, and I'm moderator of the list.

    I can think of no examples where such a solicita-
    tion has led directly to a paid engagement.
    Generally the helpful people here "give it away"
    and supply the heart of a solution for free.  It's
    certainly possible to imagine a different outcome
    in the future, though.

    I'm even more certain that commercial discussions
    have invariably led to learning, generally on the
    part of several of us.  Learning about Tkinter and
    what impacts it is right in the center of the
    mailing list's charter.
2.  Is there someone who can help me better understand
    "... the freelance coding sites (Guru, rent-a-coder,
    etc.)"?  Kevin's advice is appropriate, of course;
    but how can those places possibly have "happy
    endings"?  In the case at hand, I *know* that this
    mailing list has participants who are more courteous,
    knowledgeable, business-like, and honorable than the
    rent-a-coders (etc.) appear to be.  Is there some 
    sort of transactional-intermediation magic going on
    that results in success for rent-a-coder?

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