From cbc at unc.edu Tue Oct 2 13:18:21 2007 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:18:21 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] FYI - mailman host is moving References: Message-ID: <0FF00990-96C0-49D1-87A0-97D7A2631E80@unc.edu> On Sep 30, 2007, at 9:48 AM, T. Bryan wrote: > On Friday 28 September 2007 16:40, Chris Calloway wrote: >>>> - one or more emails of someone who will administer/moderate >>>> the list > >> Tom Bryan, do you still want to help with this? We have certainly >> benefited from your many years of doing so. > > Sure. There's not normally much to do, and the Mailman admin > interface is > pretty straightforward. Of course, I know how the current list is > configured, so I can probably help set up the new list the same > way. Really, > the move should be largely painless except for the change in the > actual list > address. Thanks, Tom. It would probably be good to set it up the same as before. I'm interested in having more than one set of eyes on the queue and more than one contact person. > It looks like starahip.python.net will continue to exist for now. > Like I > said, its original purpose isn't really necessary anymore, and I > expect that > it will probably be shut down at some point in the future. It > would make me > feel better if we could move triangle-zpug to a different host now > so that > there's not a scramble in the future. Agree. I hate server fire drills. They make me completely upset. > By the way, > does python.org also handle list archives? It would be cool if we > could move > our old archives over, too: it would be a shame to lose five years > of our > history. http://starship.python.net/pipermail/triangle-zpug/ If you are asking if mail.python.org imports archives, I've included that question in my request to python.org. But I've not heard anything yet about any question from either postmaster at python.org or mailmain at python.org. Like us, they are a volunteer organization and spending their own resources on hosting things. So it may take time. I would kind of doubt old archives would be imported. Mailman keeps archives in monthly pickles (that's kind of one of the worst parts about Mailman) and the search interface for those pickles is pretty bad (monthly exports). But it is worth asking. Technically it is possible. It's just a question of how much access to things like pickle stores on a file system would python.org allow us vs. how much volunteer work would they be willing to render to such a task. Looking at the list of what's hosted there, I bet they've never had this question before. We have only some of the archives in Gmane. http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.zope.trizpug It only goes back to April 18, 2005: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.zope.trizpug/1 One of the great purposes of Gmane is to keep email list archives forever. I hope we can work with the Gmane admin to pump the new list into the same interface with the old list. The problem is, no one has ever fessed up as to who subscribed the TriZPUG list to Gmane. We don't know who holds the keys to our list subscription on Gmane. When you set up a list on Gmane, one of the things you can request is to import all the old archives. I don't know if it is too late to do that now retroactively or not. I suspect it is not possible because Gmane numbers posts in archives starting with "1." And we can certainly download the current Mailman archives as monthly zip files and store them on trizpug.org, as well. Oh, I just felt an AppleScript itch. I'm very interested in keeping those archives, too. Just the other day, I was looking through some of them from before I became involved and it was very interesting. The group has morphed a lot over the years. 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" Provide system administration for all Application, Web and Fax servers associated with PeerPoint. " Develop our planned suite of web portal functions around PeerPoint, that will greatly enhance online content, community and collaboration among our users. " Manage and implement full software development life cycle including inception, definition, design, implementation, QA, deployment and support. " Maintain a broad knowledge of operating systems, programming languages and hardware " Use industry best software project management and development practices. " Monitor system logs and activity on all servers and devices " Lead or guide the work of other staff or contractors engaged in similar functions " Coordinate with contract development team as required to schedule releases of software updates Requirements: " 4 years + experience in Software Development and Systems Administration " Application Development experience using Python 2/FIve, Zope, Javascript, CSS, HTML and PostgreSQL. " Advanced knowledge, system administration and troubleshooting of Linux OS servers. " Advanced knowledge, system administration and troubleshooting of Apache web servers. " Advanced knowledge, system administration and troubleshooting of Zope application server. " Advanced knowledge, system administration and troubleshooting of PostGreSQL SQL server. " Experience with Wiki and other collaboration software technologies. " Knowledge of TCP/IP stacks and their functionality " Working knowledge of web application security, understanding of vulnerabilities and countermeasures. Understanding of HIPAA best practices a plus.. " Experience with professional project management methodologies and tools such as RUP, UML, Use Case preparation, Object Modeling, ER diagrams, code archive and release using source safe, quality assurance testing, etc. " Ability and desire to learn new skills quickly " Effectively communicate issues and resolution to all levels of the organization If you are interested and would like more information please send your resume to afaulkner at mainzbradygroup.com, reference job ID#AF3600 and call Allen Faulkner at 503-430-1706. NOTE: For a complete listing of Mainz Brady Group openings please visit our website at www.mainzbradygroup.com. Allen D. Faulkner *Sr. Staffing Specialist* Mainz Brady Group 503-430-1706 direct 503-453-9850 mobile 503-961-8910 fax afaulkner at mainzbradygroup.com www.mainzbradygroup.com ------------------------------ *From:* Dave Powell [mailto:jdavep at gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, October 02, 2007 1:44 PM *To:* afaulkner at mainzbradygroup.com *Subject:* Re: Python/Zope Contract position thanks allen, i'll pass it on to the local usergroup...but i'd need the description... ...unfortunately, i just took this job in august,and it's a pretty good one, so i'll be here for awhile... ...however, i'll definitely keep you in my address book...my wife and I have been talking about moving to Portland for awhile now... thanks... ...dave p On 10/2/07, Allen Faulkner wrote: > > David, > Let me know if anything changes for you or you think of anyone that > would be interested in a two to three month contract here in the Portland > area. > > > > > Allen D. 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URL: From david at handysoftware.com Wed Oct 10 19:24:46 2007 From: david at handysoftware.com (David Handy) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:24:46 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Book review (so far): "Professional Plone Development" Message-ID: <20071010172446.GD6096@arno2> I bought Martin Aspeli's new book "Professional Plone Development", and so far I have been very glad I did. I seem to be the perfect target audience for Aspeli's book: Someone with a fair amount of Python programming experience, that wants to have Plone explained to him in detail from a programming perspective. So far I have read just the first 50 pages (out of 392), but I feel like I have already gained a lot of relavant information. I am reading the book in two passes - I first read over a whole chapter, then I go back and download stuff, try his examples at the command line, etc. Good stuff. Aspeli is good not just for facts but recommended best practices. So far I am in complete agreement with his philosophies. And especially, I am very pleased for once to be reading relevant, up to date material! David H -- David Handy Computer Programming is Fun! Beginning Computer Programming with Python http://www.handysoftware.com/cpif/ From cbc at unc.edu Thu Oct 11 12:13:09 2007 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 12:13:09 +0200 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Book review (so far): "Professional Plone Development" In-Reply-To: <20071010172446.GD6096@arno2> References: <20071010172446.GD6096@arno2> Message-ID: <2951094B-9CA7-42E8-8F32-8BFE4B0035AB@unc.edu> On Oct 10, 2007, at 7:24 PM, David Handy wrote: > I bought Martin Aspeli's new book "Professional Plone Development", > and so > far I have been very glad I did. > > I seem to be the perfect target audience for Aspeli's book: Someone > with a > fair amount of Python programming experience, that wants to have Plone > explained to him in detail from a programming perspective. > > So far I have read just the first 50 pages (out of 392), but I feel > like I > have already gained a lot of relavant information. I am reading the > book in > two passes - I first read over a whole chapter, then I go back and > download > stuff, try his examples at the command line, etc. Good stuff. > > Aspeli is good not just for facts but recommended best practices. > So far I > am in complete agreement with his philosophies. And especially, I > am very > pleased for once to be reading relevant, up to date material! Here at Plone Conference, you are a very popular person if you have a copy of Martin's book with you. It was shipped about the same time as most people were leaving home to come to the conference. Some people got theirs before leaving for conference. Some people didn't. Everybody wants one. Martin tried to get some to bring to the conference. But there were shipping problems getting many copies into Italy so soon after availability. So you may be *more* fortunate if you aren't at Plone Conference because you have a way of getting the Martin's new book. I got to look through Scott Paley's copy at dinner last night. I assume the copy I've had pre-ordered since last summer is either sitting on my porch at home or returned by UPS for not having a signature to receive it. The publisher sent me an email telling me my copy had been shipped on the day before I left for Italy. At the end of Joel Burton's pre-conference Plone 3 training, which was not about general Plone development, but instead about just the new things for developers in Plone 3, Joel recommends reading Phillip von Weitershausen's Zope 3 book first. Martin spends about two paragraphs on Zope 3 concepts and then uses them extensively in his Plone 3 book. If you've only gotten through the first 3 chapters, you're still in the chatty parts of the book before he shifts into high gear with Zope 3 components. Other North Carolina people here in Napoli for Plone Conference: Stephan Altmueller of UNC and Jeff Gayle from Charlotte and the newly formed CharPy. Veda Williams, formerly of UNC, now of Seattle, is also here. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 332 Chapman Hall cell: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbc at unc.edu Wed Oct 17 02:59:47 2007 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 02:59:47 +0200 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Fwd: [Educational] Ploneability and meeting agendas References: <13224138.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <0DE7CF1F-2FD8-44A7-956A-6747C23E4810@unc.edu> Please see below about Plone in Higher Education one-day conference in Houston. Also see Plone4Universities project started in Napoli last week by Andreas Jung: http://plone4universities.org Dope on the street is Penn State Weblion will host Plone North America Symposium next year. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 332 Chapman Hall cell: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 Begin forwarded message: > From: Chris Williamson > Date: October 16, 2007 1:33:40 AM GMT+02:00 > To: educational at lists.plone.org > Subject: [Educational] Ploneability and meeting agendas > > > Agendas are now posted for Ploneability Higher Ed and the Plone in > Education > Organizing Meeting, Thursday and Friday Nov. 8 and 9, in Houston: > > http://ploneability.eventbrite.com > > https://weblion.psu.edu/trac/weblion/wiki/PloneabililtyConference > > We have presenters from across the U.S., including several who also > presented in Naples last week. It should be an inspiring and > empowering > couple of days. > > Please register if you can make it and pass along the word to > anyone who may > be interested. > > Regards, > Chris Williamson > Enfold Systems > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Ploneability- > and-meeting-agendas-tf4631087s6741.html#a13224138 > Sent from the Education mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > Educational mailing list > Educational at lists.plone.org > http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/educational -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Per Mark Biggers, "May I suggest that we "call" the next TriZPUG meeting as the inaugural "Plone hack session"? Python "hackers" are also to be welcomed, since we are likely to be doing stuff with ipython, pdb, Wing, etc. We could do some lightning talks first, to warm up, or just start hacking away." http://trizpug.org/Members/mrevoir/oct-07-mtg See you then, Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From biggers at utsl.com Tue Oct 23 15:30:43 2007 From: biggers at utsl.com (Mark R. Biggers) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:30:43 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Zope2 vs. Zope3 vs. Py-Web-Frameworks ... "repoze" Message-ID: <18205.63363.689238.900573@dexter.saiph.com> FYI. Very interesting blog-post by a very smart Python and Zope developer: http://plope.com/Members/chrism/repoze_to_the_rescue From edmund at unc.edu Tue Oct 23 15:59:09 2007 From: edmund at unc.edu (Edmund Moseley) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:59:09 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] TriZPUG October meeting Tuesday night at Duke In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20071023095909.hyxzgbh14wok4c08@webmail5.isis.unc.edu> If folks are interested, I could do a lightning talk demo of a plone slide sorter I hacked together using the ajax sorting of folder_contents. Cheers, Edmund > Per Mark Biggers, "May I suggest that we "call" the next TriZPUG meeting as > the inaugural "Plone > hack session"? > > Python "hackers" are also to be welcomed, since we are likely to be doing > stuff with ipython, pdb, Wing, etc. We could do some lightning talks first, > to warm up, or just start hacking away." > > http://trizpug.org/Members/mrevoir/oct-07-mtg > -- Edmund Moseley Databases Analyst NC Office of the Chief Medical Examiner From rob_lineberger at med.unc.edu Tue Oct 23 17:02:59 2007 From: rob_lineberger at med.unc.edu (Rob Lineberger) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:02:59 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] TriZPUG October meeting Tuesday night at Duke In-Reply-To: <20071023095909.hyxzgbh14wok4c08@webmail5.isis.unc.edu> References: <20071023095909.hyxzgbh14wok4c08@webmail5.isis.unc.edu> Message-ID: <1193151779.7989.6.camel@victoria> Even though I'm not going to be there tonight, +1 for Edmund's demo. Well worth looking at. From biggers at utsl.com Wed Oct 24 00:16:05 2007 From: biggers at utsl.com (Mark R. Biggers) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:16:05 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] meeting tonight at DUKE.... Message-ID: <18206.29349.219194.143239@dexter.saiph.com> The links on the TriZPUG.org site point to Capstrat in Raleigh - we're meeting at Duke (very close to Hospital)!! Next TriZPUG Meeting: Tuesday, October 23, 7pm at Duke University, North Pavillion, 2400 Pratt St, Durham, NC. http://maps.google.com/maps?q=2400+Pratt+St,+Durham,+NC+27705,+USA&sa=X&oi=map&ct=title thank you, ----mark From cbc at unc.edu Tue Oct 23 17:00:50 2007 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:00:50 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Zope2 vs. Zope3 vs. Py-Web-Frameworks ... "repoze" In-Reply-To: <18205.63363.689238.900573@dexter.saiph.com> References: <18205.63363.689238.900573@dexter.saiph.com> Message-ID: On Oct 23, 2007, at 9:30 AM, Mark R. Biggers wrote: > http://plope.com/Members/chrism/repoze_to_the_rescue Repoze is probably the single biggest development in the Zope world recently. I think it is what is going to enable Plone to eventually be totally Zope 3. Agendaless consulting is kicking ass and taking names. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 332 Chapman Hall cell: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From biggers at utsl.com Thu Oct 25 19:12:33 2007 From: biggers at utsl.com (Mark R. Biggers) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:12:33 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] report on 10/23 TriZPUG.org meeting, hosted at Duke U. Message-ID: <18208.52865.777571.680696@dexter.saiph.com> A brief report on the 10/23 meeting at Duke, hosted by Mike Revoir: () Our meeting room, arranged by Mike Revoir, was taken over by a United Way silent auction. We met out in the atrium, where most of connected to the Duke WLAN - we just kept going. () Jim Allman and I demonstrated http://RumorByLG.com . The highlight of this LG-phone advert site (for us) is the "Register to Win" Flash form, that basically does REST-style chat and POSTing to a PloneFormGen form setup. The Flash form pull-down "widgets" get their data by generating standard Plone "object/method" HTTP URLs. The form then POSTs, Plone (PFG) does all the fields validation, and PFG creates the nice CSV database of data, from each form-post. () I demonstrated a fast method for using Clouseau for Plone introspection and debugging. Just install the Clouseau product in your Plone site, and do nothing otherwise. Start up in one of your Zope instances - either client1/ or client2/ from the UnifiedInstaller - as "sudo client2/bin/zopectl fg" (example) and go. You can leave Clouseau installed and always usable in this way, w/o compromising the site or configuring Clouseau in any way. () Edmund Moseley demonstrated some neat Javascript/Ajax code to create a flexible Image "slide sorter". It's pretty straightforward to hook Javascript into your Plone pages, evidently - the difference is Edmund's clever code to do display, sorting and manipulation of Images in a Plone Folder. This was our kickoff "Plone hack-session". We didn't do much hacking, but had a lot of good discussion and demos. We'll have a another "Plone hack-session" outside of TriZPUG.org meetings, in the very near future. Thank you, ----mark From cbc at unc.edu Thu Oct 25 21:17:12 2007 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:17:12 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] report on 10/23 TriZPUG.org meeting, hosted at Duke U. In-Reply-To: <18208.52865.777571.680696@dexter.saiph.com> References: <18208.52865.777571.680696@dexter.saiph.com> Message-ID: <4720EBB8.3020308@unc.edu> Mark R. Biggers wrote: > () Jim Allman and I demonstrated http://RumorByLG.com . You know, if you guys had demo'd this as a case study at PloneCon, you would have been the winners hands down. As it was, Denis Mishunov from Ukraine was the winner with this: http://www.webcouturier.com/ Please register rumorbylg as a case study over at plone.net. May I ask who did the graphics in the Flash? JimA? -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 332 Chapman Hall phone: (919) 962-4323 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From biggers at utsl.com Thu Oct 25 22:28:27 2007 From: biggers at utsl.com (Mark R. Biggers) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:28:27 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] report on 10/23 TriZPUG.org meeting, hosted at Duke U. In-Reply-To: <4720EBB8.3020308@unc.edu> References: <18208.52865.777571.680696@dexter.saiph.com> <4720EBB8.3020308@unc.edu> Message-ID: <18208.64619.15135.467484@dexter.saiph.com> Chris Calloway writes: > Mark R. Biggers wrote: > > () Jim Allman and I demonstrated http://RumorByLG.com . > > You know, if you guys had demo'd this as a case study at PloneCon, you > would have been the winners hands down. Wow, neat. We thought this was pretty straightforward stuff - once you Clouseau'ed to get the method-calls to "pull off" vocabulary data, from the (PFG) pull-down widget-objects. > As it was, Denis Mishunov from Ukraine was the winner with this: > > http://www.webcouturier.com/ > > Please register rumorbylg as a case study over at plone.net. OK, will do. > May I ask who did the graphics in the Flash? JimA? Jim did the cool comm/validation, Flash <<==>> Plone, and the Flash-form work. Our master designer, Marc Russo, did most of the Flash gfx, animations, choreography, consulting with Jim on nits. LG is well pleased. thank you, ----mark From cbc at unc.edu Thu Oct 25 22:46:20 2007 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:46:20 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Plone Jams In-Reply-To: <18208.52865.777571.680696@dexter.saiph.com> References: <18208.52865.777571.680696@dexter.saiph.com> Message-ID: <4721009C.3010107@unc.edu> Mark and I talked offline about the follow-up to the last "Plone Tips" TriZPUG meeting. The idea has been to put more "Z and P" in TriZPUG meetings and take some of the fervent Plone activity, not out of TriZPUG, but into additional TriZPUG meetings where newcomers wouldn't be freaked out by the intensity of all the Plone activity. Not that we couldn't talk about Plone at regular TriZPUG meetings anymore. But just let some of the excess Plone pressure out of the cooker. We'd dubbed this "Plone Jam" in previous attempt where I dropped the ball on the meeting place for the designated day back in August, I think. We're going to try it again. The idea is sort of an "un-sprint." That is the topic is what you show up with to work on rather than a pre-planned theme. And we may work on our own things side by side for synergistic effect or we may work in teams/pairs like sprint; it's up to the individuals how to work together at each Jam. You can bring a problem you are trying to solve at work. You can bring a pet project. You can bring something you are playing around with. You can make a presentation. You can just work on your code. It's a Jam: it's improvisational. Plone at the Improv. Just play and see what comes out. See if a groove develops. Several TriZPUGers are already grooving on their common approach to Plone integration and want to share the love. I'm coming into this with a sweet meeting space on the UNC campus: a deluxe conference room with a huge picture window view on the 4th floor of my new building. It has a giant screen laptop projector and a large LCD display at either end. It has a gianormous conference table. It has GigE pipes. It has nice restrooms. It has a kitchen with a frig and sink. It's fairly private and secluded. The parking situation is the same as when we meet in Phillips Hall (that is, Swain Lot for a modest fee, around $1/hour). In fact, to get to this room you will enter through Phillips Hall and walk through a sky bridge at the rear of the building into brand new Chapman Hall (so new it's not even on campus maps yet). Mark suggested we meet every other week on days not overlapping regular TriZPUG meetings. That sort of scares me except the CharPy group has been having regular meetings every other week with no lack of steam. In fact, meeting every other week seems to be energizing them. In order to accommodate this, I have two requests for feedback: 1) The building this Jam would meet in locks at 7pm. Would you be opposed to meeting at 6pm? Then anyone who is an hour or more late can call me to be let in. If we jammed for two hours, this would also get us out at 8pm for a bite to eat instead of when most places to eat have already stopped serving. 2) TriZPUG used to meet on Wednesdays. We moved the meetings to Tuesdays to accommodate a request from a regular member. This member has indicated he would not be unopposed to now moving the night back to Wednesdays. However, this is not what I'm asking. I'm asking if it would be OK to have Plone Jams on the first and third Wednesdays of the month. This is because a community organization to which I belong, and try to get as many other people to join as possible, has their nationwide designated meeting nights as Tuesdays. I'm just lucky that so far the particular Tuesday of the month my local group of this organization meets has not had a collision with TriZPUG meetings on fourth Tuesdays. Is there opposition to having Plone Jams on first and third Wednesdays? I will caution that any night we pick, there will be some home basketball games during which parking on campus will be non-existent, even if you get here early. Parking would then be best found in the Bank of America deck on Rosemary Street. I think they charge $3 flat rate in advance in the evening. Home games on first and third Wednesdays occur on Dec 19 at 9pm, Jan 2 at 8pm, and Feb 2 and 9pm. That last date is the Duke game. If you can voice your concerns or agreements in short order, I can make a repeating reservation for the room starting Wed. Nov 7 at 6pm. Also, the next TriZPUG meeting will be on Nov 27 at 7pm in 328 Phillips at UNC-CH. You are encouraged to speak up and tell us what you would like to present. For my part, I would like to spend a little time showing you why I've become a convert to KSS and update you on the latest KSS developments. KSS is Kinetic Style Sheets. It brings a super simple CSS-like domain-specific syntax to doing Ajax applications without having to know any Javascript. Think of it as Grok for Ajax. It currently works in Zope2, Zope3, Grok, and Plone. It's being brought to Django and Pylons and soon the rest of the world. It currently works with Prototype, MochiKit, Sarissa, and JQuery and has a plug-in architecture to allow it to accommodate other Javascript libraries like Scriptalicious. To learn more see http://kssproject.org/ (which is undergoing re-org). -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 332 Chapman Hall phone: (919) 962-4323 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From david at handysoftware.com Fri Oct 26 04:01:59 2007 From: david at handysoftware.com (David Handy) Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:01:59 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Plone Jams In-Reply-To: <4721009C.3010107@unc.edu> References: <18208.52865.777571.680696@dexter.saiph.com> <4721009C.3010107@unc.edu> Message-ID: <20071026020159.GA16782@arno2> On Thu, Oct 25, 2007 at 04:46:20PM -0400, Chris Calloway wrote: > We'd dubbed this "Plone Jam" in previous attempt ... > ... You can make a presentation. You can just work on your > code. It's a Jam: it's improvisational. Plone at the Improv. Just play > and see what comes out. See if a groove develops. Several TriZPUGers are > already grooving on their common approach to Plone integration and want > to share the love. So now I have this vivid image of this cool group of professional Jazz musicians getting together and just jamming their hearts out. Knock, knock, here's this middle-school band member with his uncle's saxaphone. That would be me! > In order to accommodate this, I have two requests for feedback: > > 1) The building this Jam would meet in locks at 7pm. Would you be > opposed to meeting at 6pm? Then anyone who is an hour or more late can > call me to be let in. If we jammed for two hours, this would also get us > out at 8pm for a bite to eat instead of when most places to eat have > already stopped serving. > > 2) TriZPUG used to meet on Wednesdays. We moved the meetings to Tuesdays > to accommodate a request from a regular member. This member has > indicated he would not be unopposed to now moving the night back to > Wednesdays. However, this is not what I'm asking. I'm asking if it would > be OK to have Plone Jams on the first and third Wednesdays of the month. > This is because a community organization to which I belong, and try to > get as many other people to join as possible, has their nationwide > designated meeting nights as Tuesdays. I'm just lucky that so far the > particular Tuesday of the month my local group of this organization > meets has not had a collision with TriZPUG meetings on fourth Tuesdays. > Is there opposition to having Plone Jams on first and third Wednesdays? > > If you can voice your concerns or agreements in short order, I can make > a repeating reservation for the room starting Wed. Nov 7 at 6pm. The way my schedule is now, Tuesdays don't work any more. Many Wednesdays would work for me, but not Nov. 7. What would I do at a Plone jam? Well, I guess I'd pull out my little Plone book and start working on beginning stuff, because that's where I'm at. But it would be real helpful to be able to ask questions of real people in real time, provided they don't get too annoyed... David H -- David Handy Computer Programming is Fun! Beginning Computer Programming with Python http://www.handysoftware.com/cpif/ From josh_johnson at unc.edu Fri Oct 26 15:08:08 2007 From: josh_johnson at unc.edu (Josh Johnson) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:08:08 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Plone Jams In-Reply-To: <4721009C.3010107@unc.edu> References: <18208.52865.777571.680696@dexter.saiph.com> <4721009C.3010107@unc.edu> Message-ID: <4721E6B8.1090809@unc.edu> I think I could really dig a regular meeting. I also like the loose sprintish concept. +1 for the general idea (and not just because I work at UNC and it'd be hella convenient for me.. ;)) +1 for 6 pm. I go to bed early and have a hard time finding something to do after work till 7pm :P +1 for wednesdays. Although I play poker occasionally on wednesdays, I can deal (no pun intended). JJ p.s. It's important that I note the use of the word "hella" in this e-mail. I promise that I will never use it again ;) p.p.s. OK, maybe I will use it, but only for comic relief. p.p.p.s. OK, pun intended. :P Chris Calloway wrote: > Mark and I talked offline about the follow-up to the last "Plone Tips" > TriZPUG meeting. The idea has been to put more "Z and P" in TriZPUG > meetings and take some of the fervent Plone activity, not out of > TriZPUG, but into additional TriZPUG meetings where newcomers wouldn't > be freaked out by the intensity of all the Plone activity. Not that we > couldn't talk about Plone at regular TriZPUG meetings anymore. But just > let some of the excess Plone pressure out of the cooker. > > We'd dubbed this "Plone Jam" in previous attempt where I dropped the > ball on the meeting place for the designated day back in August, I > think. We're going to try it again. > > The idea is sort of an "un-sprint." That is the topic is what you show > up with to work on rather than a pre-planned theme. And we may work on > our own things side by side for synergistic effect or we may work in > teams/pairs like sprint; it's up to the individuals how to work together > at each Jam. You can bring a problem you are trying to solve at work. > You can bring a pet project. You can bring something you are playing > around with. You can make a presentation. You can just work on your > code. It's a Jam: it's improvisational. Plone at the Improv. Just play > and see what comes out. See if a groove develops. Several TriZPUGers are > already grooving on their common approach to Plone integration and want > to share the love. > > I'm coming into this with a sweet meeting space on the UNC campus: a > deluxe conference room with a huge picture window view on the 4th floor > of my new building. It has a giant screen laptop projector and a large > LCD display at either end. It has a gianormous conference table. It has > GigE pipes. It has nice restrooms. It has a kitchen with a frig and > sink. It's fairly private and secluded. The parking situation is the > same as when we meet in Phillips Hall (that is, Swain Lot for a modest > fee, around $1/hour). In fact, to get to this room you will enter > through Phillips Hall and walk through a sky bridge at the rear of the > building into brand new Chapman Hall (so new it's not even on campus > maps yet). > > Mark suggested we meet every other week on days not overlapping regular > TriZPUG meetings. That sort of scares me except the CharPy group has > been having regular meetings every other week with no lack of steam. In > fact, meeting every other week seems to be energizing them. > > In order to accommodate this, I have two requests for feedback: > > 1) The building this Jam would meet in locks at 7pm. Would you be > opposed to meeting at 6pm? Then anyone who is an hour or more late can > call me to be let in. If we jammed for two hours, this would also get us > out at 8pm for a bite to eat instead of when most places to eat have > already stopped serving. > > 2) TriZPUG used to meet on Wednesdays. We moved the meetings to Tuesdays > to accommodate a request from a regular member. This member has > indicated he would not be unopposed to now moving the night back to > Wednesdays. However, this is not what I'm asking. I'm asking if it would > be OK to have Plone Jams on the first and third Wednesdays of the month. > This is because a community organization to which I belong, and try to > get as many other people to join as possible, has their nationwide > designated meeting nights as Tuesdays. I'm just lucky that so far the > particular Tuesday of the month my local group of this organization > meets has not had a collision with TriZPUG meetings on fourth Tuesdays. > Is there opposition to having Plone Jams on first and third Wednesdays? > > I will caution that any night we pick, there will be some home > basketball games during which parking on campus will be non-existent, > even if you get here early. Parking would then be best found in the Bank > of America deck on Rosemary Street. I think they charge $3 flat rate in > advance in the evening. Home games on first and third Wednesdays occur > on Dec 19 at 9pm, Jan 2 at 8pm, and Feb 2 and 9pm. That last date is the > Duke game. > > If you can voice your concerns or agreements in short order, I can make > a repeating reservation for the room starting Wed. Nov 7 at 6pm. > > Also, the next TriZPUG meeting will be on Nov 27 at 7pm in 328 Phillips > at UNC-CH. You are encouraged to speak up and tell us what you would > like to present. For my part, I would like to spend a little time > showing you why I've become a convert to KSS and update you on the > latest KSS developments. KSS is Kinetic Style Sheets. It brings a super > simple CSS-like domain-specific syntax to doing Ajax applications > without having to know any Javascript. Think of it as Grok for Ajax. It > currently works in Zope2, Zope3, Grok, and Plone. It's being brought to > Django and Pylons and soon the rest of the world. It currently works > with Prototype, MochiKit, Sarissa, and JQuery and has a plug-in > architecture to allow it to accommodate other Javascript libraries like > Scriptalicious. To learn more see http://kssproject.org/ (which is > undergoing re-org). > > From edmund at unc.edu Fri Oct 26 16:08:44 2007 From: edmund at unc.edu (Edmund Moseley) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:08:44 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Plone Jams Message-ID: <20071026100844.xnj1gta0m8o44kco@webmail5.isis.unc.edu> +1 to regular Wed Plone Jams. In my book, noobie questions are just as important as expert/niche ones, in order to clarify/nail down the basics so as to facilitate expanding upon those building blocks and learn new stuff. My 2 cents. -- Edmund Moseley Databases Analyst NC Office of the Chief Medical Examiner From cbc at unc.edu Fri Oct 26 17:05:07 2007 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:05:07 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Plone Jams In-Reply-To: <20071026020159.GA16782@arno2> References: <18208.52865.777571.680696@dexter.saiph.com> <4721009C.3010107@unc.edu> <20071026020159.GA16782@arno2> Message-ID: <47220223.8090508@unc.edu> David Handy wrote: > What would I do at a Plone jam? Well, I guess I'd pull out my little Plone > book and start working on beginning stuff, because that's where I'm at. But > it would be real helpful to be able to ask questions of real people in real > time, provided they don't get too annoyed... I think one of the purposes of Plone Jam is for real people to be in the same room together working on Plone in real time. So bring your Lisa Simpson saxophone. I heard from Rob on #trizpug that he is OK with Wednesdays, too. I'm really hoping to hear from Mike Revoir as he's so experienced with the design pattern Plone Jam is playing around with. Maybe we could alternate Plone Jam back and forth between Duke and UNC if it would help Mike? David, are you saying you'd like TriZPUG regular meetings back on Wednesdays? Your opinion counts as much as anybody's here as you were the one who requested the move to Tuesdays. :) BTW, this is the book to work from now: http://www.amazon.com/Professional-Plone-Development-Martin-Aspeli/dp/1847191983 And according to Joel Burton, you will need to read this one first: http://www.amazon.com/Web-Component-Development-Zope-3/dp/3540338071 BTW, again, Philipp's book is coming out in a third edition in paperback in Feb 2008. Right now Amazon has the 2nd edition at 37% off. The new paperback edition will be as expensive as the hardback ($60). I'm going to tack one more thing onto this email. I was just contacted by Tres, ChrisM, and Paul at Agendaless. I've told some of you about how excited I am by their latest development: http://repoze.org/ Repoze is going to allow all Python web frameworks to converge into one big pool of components. Grok, Twisted, Pylons, Django, Turbogears, Zope2, Zope3, Plone.... we'll all be able to develop from a set of shared components. Repoze is the single most important development in the Python world at present. Tres is offering to send someone from Agendaless to talk to us about Repoze. I've asked them to come whenever they like and that I would also try to coordinate with ChapPy. Whenever they choose to come, I think we should make a concerted effort to get a big audience there. ChrisM is particularly good at making easy to grok presentations. It might be time to try another form of video conferencing again, and try to bring in the Atlanta Plone group and some of our other friends. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 332 Chapman Hall phone: (919) 962-4323 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From jim at ibang.com Fri Oct 26 17:38:27 2007 From: jim at ibang.com (Jim Allman) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:38:27 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Plone Jams In-Reply-To: <20071026100844.xnj1gta0m8o44kco@webmail5.isis.unc.edu> References: <20071026100844.xnj1gta0m8o44kco@webmail5.isis.unc.edu> Message-ID: <5161015C-5F1D-43B9-94E0-D593E379D3D4@ibang.com> +1 for Wednesdays UNC's kind of a haul for me, but this does sound like a great space. Remote participation (IRC) would OK too, since at least you'd know people are online and jamming. (Argh, I've allowed my IRC habit to lapse badly since our last class.) =jimA= From mrevoir at gmail.com Fri Oct 26 20:19:42 2007 From: mrevoir at gmail.com (Mike Revoir) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:19:42 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Plone Jams In-Reply-To: <47220223.8090508@unc.edu> References: <18208.52865.777571.680696@dexter.saiph.com> <4721009C.3010107@unc.edu> <20071026020159.GA16782@arno2> <47220223.8090508@unc.edu> Message-ID: On 10/26/07, Chris Calloway wrote: > > I heard from Rob on #trizpug that he is OK with Wednesdays, too. I'm > really hoping to hear from Mike Revoir as he's so experienced with the > design pattern Plone Jam is playing around with. Maybe we could > alternate Plone Jam back and forth between Duke and UNC if it would help > Mike? > This is a great idea, but unfortunately Wednesday's are the one night that I have a firm commitment each week as I'm a commander in the Royal Rangers (think Cub Scout / Boy Scout leader.) Would the first Wednesday and third Thursday or some other form of alternating days be possible? If so, and we started at 6, I might be able to schedule a different location at Duke which has better accommodations if that suited the group better. I'm flexible. Have a nice weekend, Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbc at unc.edu Fri Oct 26 22:48:37 2007 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:48:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [triangle-zpug] Plone Jams References: <18208.52865.777571.680696@dexter.saiph.com> <4721009C.3010107@unc.edu> <20071026020159.GA16782@arno2> <47220223.8090508@unc.edu> Message-ID: Mike Revoir writes: > This is a great idea, but unfortunately Wednesday's are the one night that I have a firm commitment each week as I'm a commander in the Royal Rangers (think Cub Scout / Boy Scout leader.) OK, we've gotten a lot of +1 for Wednesday. But Mike saying he can't on Wednesdays is kind of a show stopper for me. All, please sound off your +/-/1/0 for Thursday Plone James. > Would the first Wednesday and third Thursday or some other form of alternating days be possible? If so, and we started at 6, I might be able to schedule a different location at Duke which has better accommodations if that suited the group better. I'm flexible. Mike, I'm confused. Are you saying you can make first Wednesdays, just not third Wednesdays? On a different note: you can see Paul Bugni near the very end of this snippet of Italian TV about PloneCon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7OLg1AZvr4 Cheers, Chris From mrevoir at gmail.com Sat Oct 27 00:12:33 2007 From: mrevoir at gmail.com (Mike Revoir) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:12:33 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Plone Jams In-Reply-To: References: <18208.52865.777571.680696@dexter.saiph.com> <4721009C.3010107@unc.edu> <20071026020159.GA16782@arno2> <47220223.8090508@unc.edu> Message-ID: On 10/26/07, Chris Calloway wrote: > > Mike Revoir writes: > > This is a great idea, but unfortunately Wednesday's are the one night > that I > have a firm commitment each week as I'm a commander in the Royal Rangers > (think > Cub Scout / Boy Scout leader.) > > OK, we've gotten a lot of +1 for Wednesday. But Mike saying he can't on > Wednesdays is kind of a show stopper for me. Chris, you're too kind. > All, please sound off your +/-/1/0 for Thursday Plone James. > > > Would the first Wednesday and third Thursday or some other form of > alternating > days be possible? If so, and we started at 6, I might be able to schedule > a > different location at Duke which has better accommodations if that suited > the > group better. I'm flexible. > > Mike, I'm confused. Are you saying you can make first Wednesdays, just not > third > Wednesdays? Since you've gotten so many +1's for Wednesday, I was suggesting that we have alternating days as well as weeks. That way I'd be able to attend every other jam. Please don't stop this great idea just for me though. Have a nice day, Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Beginning Computer Programming with Python http://www.handysoftware.com/cpif/ From david at handysoftware.com Sat Oct 27 15:02:37 2007 From: david at handysoftware.com (David Handy) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 09:02:37 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Plone Jams In-Reply-To: <47220223.8090508@unc.edu> References: <18208.52865.777571.680696@dexter.saiph.com> <4721009C.3010107@unc.edu> <20071026020159.GA16782@arno2> <47220223.8090508@unc.edu> Message-ID: <20071027130237.GB10522@arno2> On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 11:05:07AM -0400, Chris Calloway wrote: > So bring your Lisa Simpson saxophone. ROFL! > David, are you saying you'd like TriZPUG regular meetings back on > Wednesdays? Your opinion counts as much as anybody's here as you were > the one who requested the move to Tuesdays. :) Actually, yeah, if TriZPUG were back on Wednesday's I'd be able to come... but I wasn't going to bring it up, just for that reason, that I'd already instigated one schedule change on my behalf. The conflict is my boys' scout night. And about once a year it changes schedule. If you have Plone Jams on one week night, and TriZPUG meetings on another, then chances are at least one of them won't conflict with something. Or alternating is Ok, worst case 50% of meetings would hit a conflict in my schedule, which is better than 100%... -- David Handy Computer Programming is Fun! Beginning Computer Programming with Python http://www.handysoftware.com/cpif/ From FDimauro at unch.unc.edu Sun Oct 28 03:17:01 2007 From: FDimauro at unch.unc.edu (Dimauro, Frank) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 22:17:01 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] plone jams References: Message-ID: thursday is also best for moi,,,+9 Frank DiMauro -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Biggers) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:12:27 -0500 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Plone Jams In-Reply-To: <4721009C.3010107@unc.edu> References: <18208.52865.777571.680696@dexter.saiph.com> <4721009C.3010107@unc.edu> Message-ID: <18213.63579.200414.488809@dexter.saiph.com> Chris Calloway writes: > If you can voice your concerns or agreements in short order, I can make > a repeating reservation for the room starting Wed. Nov 7 at 6pm. +2 for Tues (outside of TriZPUG) +1 for Weds -1 for Thur (usually heading home) At least for the next few months, I think can offer meeting space at TOTMarketing.com in Morrisville. Parking is no issue, and Aviation Parkway is very central - Raleigh / Cary folks might come. Jim A and I will discuss. thank you, ----mark From csl at med.unc.edu Mon Oct 29 16:35:35 2007 From: csl at med.unc.edu (Carol Ludwig) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:35:35 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Plone Jams In-Reply-To: References: <18208.52865.777571.680696@dexter.saiph.com> <4721009C.3010107@unc.edu> <20071026020159.GA16782@arno2> <47220223.8090508@unc.edu> Message-ID: +1 for Thurs Plone Jams ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Calloway Date: Friday, October 26, 2007 5:59 pm Subject: Re: [triangle-zpug] Plone Jams To: triangle-zpug at starship.python.net > Mike Revoir writes: > > This is a great idea, but unfortunately Wednesday's are the > one night that I > have a firm commitment each week as I'm a commander in the Royal > Rangers (think > Cub Scout / Boy Scout leader.) > > OK, we've gotten a lot of +1 for Wednesday. But Mike saying he > can't on > Wednesdays is kind of a show stopper for me. > > All, please sound off your +/-/1/0 for Thursday Plone James. > > > Would the first Wednesday and third Thursday or some other > form of alternating > days be possible? If so, and we started at 6, I might be able to > schedule a > different location at Duke which has better accommodations if > that suited the > group better. I'm flexible. > > Mike, I'm confused. Are you saying you can make first > Wednesdays, just not third > Wednesdays? > > On a different note: you can see Paul Bugni near the very end of > this snippet of > Italian TV about PloneCon: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7OLg1AZvr4 > > Cheers, Chris > > > > _______________________________________________ > triangle-zpug mailing list > triangle-zpug at starship.python.net > http://starship.python.net/mailman/listinfo/triangle-zpug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From flyingfred0+trizpug at gmail.com Mon Oct 29 16:57:46 2007 From: flyingfred0+trizpug at gmail.com (Chris Church) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:57:46 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Plone Jams In-Reply-To: <18213.63579.200414.488809@dexter.saiph.com> References: <18208.52865.777571.680696@dexter.saiph.com> <4721009C.3010107@unc.edu> <18213.63579.200414.488809@dexter.saiph.com> Message-ID: <1ea258670710290857nd7fce34v7fc280a78f24b24@mail.gmail.com> Although I'm not a Plone guy, I'd still like to attend when possible and see what I can learn. +1 for Mark's location (< 6 miles from the office). -1 for Thursday nights. On 10/29/07, Mark R. Biggers wrote: > > Chris Calloway writes: > > If you can voice your concerns or agreements in short order, I can make > > a repeating reservation for the room starting Wed. Nov 7 at 6pm. > > +2 for Tues (outside of TriZPUG) > +1 for Weds > -1 for Thur (usually heading home) > > At least for the next few months, I think can offer meeting space at > TOTMarketing.com in Morrisville. Parking is no issue, and Aviation > Parkway is very central - Raleigh / Cary folks might come. Jim A and > I will discuss. > > thank you, > ----mark > > _______________________________________________ > triangle-zpug mailing list > triangle-zpug at starship.python.net > http://starship.python.net/mailman/listinfo/triangle-zpug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbc at unc.edu Mon Oct 29 18:15:05 2007 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:15:05 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Plone Jams In-Reply-To: <1ea258670710290857nd7fce34v7fc280a78f24b24@mail.gmail.com> References: <18208.52865.777571.680696@dexter.saiph.com> <4721009C.3010107@unc.edu> <18213.63579.200414.488809@dexter.saiph.com> <1ea258670710290857nd7fce34v7fc280a78f24b24@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47261519.50304@unc.edu> Wow. Lots of feedback. So no night is good for everybody. So that makes Mike's suggestion to meet on different nights well taken. And Mark has a good offer to meet at a more central location. With that, I suggest we leave it to Mark and Mike to divvy up first Wednesday (Mark) and third Thursday (Mike). Would you guys want post your Plone Jam dates and locations on trizpug.org? First Wednesday is soon. I'm going to work some more on getting Agendaless to come here for that Repoze talk during a regular or special meeting. The Zope podcast just put out last week is about taking Repoze to the user groups. ChrisM is doing a Repoze talk at ZPUGDC this week, I think. Whit said on IRC if we have one here that he would like to come in from Tennessee for it. Is anybody here using virtualenv and zc.buildout? Not asking for help. Asking for my information and planning. BTW, here's something some of you might want to read: http://www.muthukadan.net/docs/zca.html -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 332 Chapman Hall phone: (919) 962-4323 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From josh_johnson at unc.edu Mon Oct 29 19:23:39 2007 From: josh_johnson at unc.edu (Josh Johnson) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:23:39 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Plone Jams In-Reply-To: <47261519.50304@unc.edu> References: <18208.52865.777571.680696@dexter.saiph.com> <4721009C.3010107@unc.edu> <18213.63579.200414.488809@dexter.saiph.com> <1ea258670710290857nd7fce34v7fc280a78f24b24@mail.gmail.com> <47261519.50304@unc.edu> Message-ID: <4726252B.2000408@unc.edu> I used the plone buildout at the BBQ sprint, but haven't used buildout for anything since. I am planning to work it into my dev cycle in the future though. I sat in on a demo that Whit did of workingenv (I remember him calling it that, not sure about the workingenv/virtualenv difference), but have never used it. I use VMs to segment my python environments right now. JJ Chris Calloway wrote: > Wow. Lots of feedback. > > So no night is good for everybody. > > So that makes Mike's suggestion to meet on different nights well taken. > > And Mark has a good offer to meet at a more central location. > > With that, I suggest we leave it to Mark and Mike to divvy up first > Wednesday (Mark) and third Thursday (Mike). Would you guys want post > your Plone Jam dates and locations on trizpug.org? First Wednesday is soon. > > I'm going to work some more on getting Agendaless to come here for that > Repoze talk during a regular or special meeting. The Zope podcast just > put out last week is about taking Repoze to the user groups. ChrisM is > doing a Repoze talk at ZPUGDC this week, I think. Whit said on IRC if we > have one here that he would like to come in from Tennessee for it. > > Is anybody here using virtualenv and zc.buildout? Not asking for help. > Asking for my information and planning. > > BTW, here's something some of you might want to read: > > http://www.muthukadan.net/docs/zca.html > > From cbc at unc.edu Mon Oct 29 21:16:51 2007 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:16:51 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Plone Jams In-Reply-To: <4726252B.2000408@unc.edu> References: <18208.52865.777571.680696@dexter.saiph.com> <4721009C.3010107@unc.edu> <18213.63579.200414.488809@dexter.saiph.com> <1ea258670710290857nd7fce34v7fc280a78f24b24@mail.gmail.com> <47261519.50304@unc.edu> <4726252B.2000408@unc.edu> Message-ID: <47263FB3.5080409@unc.edu> Josh Johnson wrote: > I sat in on a demo that Whit did of workingenv (I > remember him calling it that, not sure about the workingenv/virtualenv > difference), but have never used it. I use VMs to segment my python > environments right now. OK, if you are using workingenv or virtual python, you should immediately go look at the replacement product virtualenv. virtualenv is the package that is going to have support going forward. virtualenv is a successor to workingenv, and an extension of virtual-python, written by Ian Bicking with support from The Open Planning Project: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/virtualenv http://blog.ianbicking.org/2007/09/16/2-python-environment-experiments/ It's super easy. Like 3 lines or less of magic... Pick the python you want to use. It would be good to start with a fresh compile from scratch so that you are using a python with nothing already installed in site-packages. Remember, python 2.4 is still the requirement for Zope3 (you will get compile errors immediately if you try to use 2.5 unless you are a C guru) and 2.4 does not come with easy_install (the setuptools binary for installing eggs). 1) If you don't already have easy_install, download ez_setup.py and run it: wget http://peak.telecommunity.com/dist/ez_setup.py python ez_setup.py This makes an easy_install binary in the bin of your python. 2) Then use easy_install to get and install virtualenv. Use the subversion repo trunk to get virtualenv so you get the lastest code which copies the include directory to the new virtual environment so you can build C extensions (see my comment in Ian's blog post above and his response): easy_install virtualenv==dev This make a virtualenv binary in the bin of your python. 3) Then create as many virtual environments as you want like this: virtualenv myvirtualenv cd myvirtualenv ./bin/python >>> (you are now in a virtual python environment where you can install any eggs you want and not pollute your build of python for other projects.) I use virtualenv to make environments for zc.buildout as BaijuM describes: http://www.muthukadan.net/docs/zca.html Also check out Baiju's screencast for using virtualenv with zopeproject: http://www.baijum.info/z3/screencasts/zopeproject.html Baiju has the blog which is probably best attuned to the general geist of where this user group's collective head is at: http://baijum81.livejournal.com/ -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 332 Chapman Hall phone: (919) 962-4323 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From cbc at unc.edu Tue Oct 30 01:59:02 2007 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:59:02 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Plone Jams In-Reply-To: <47263FB3.5080409@unc.edu> References: <18208.52865.777571.680696@dexter.saiph.com> <4721009C.3010107@unc.edu> <18213.63579.200414.488809@dexter.saiph.com> <1ea258670710290857nd7fce34v7fc280a78f24b24@mail.gmail.com> <47261519.50304@unc.edu> <4726252B.2000408@unc.edu> <47263FB3.5080409@unc.edu> Message-ID: <472681D6.6070407@unc.edu> Chris Calloway wrote: > http://www.muthukadan.net/docs/zca.html To reinforce, here's Philipp's zc.buildout lightning talk at EuroPython (you can full screen the Flash version): http://comlounge.tv/blog/zope/cltv36-europython-2007-philipp-von-weitershausen-about-zcbuildout-lightning-talk with a link to Martin's buildout tutorial: http://plone.org/documentation/tutorial/buildout -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 332 Chapman Hall phone: (919) 962-4323 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From cbc at unc.edu Tue Oct 30 23:40:57 2007 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:40:57 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] FYI - mailman host is moving In-Reply-To: <0FF00990-96C0-49D1-87A0-97D7A2631E80@unc.edu> References: <0FF00990-96C0-49D1-87A0-97D7A2631E80@unc.edu> Message-ID: <4727B2F9.7090108@unc.edu> In the ongoing saga of our mailing list woes, I saw this: http://pyfound.blogspot.com/2007/10/seeking-volunteer-postmasters.html which might explain why we've never received a response to our request to host the TriZPUG email list on mail.python.org. So I'm putting this out here for you, if you have the experience requested and desire Python fame and glory, here's your chance. That thing about "best if you're already known within the Python community," well, tell 'em you're well known in *this* Python community and send 'em our way. We'll see how well known they are to us. :) I don't know how anyone thinks they can get new volunteers by recycling the same set of faces for every job that comes along. We wouldn't be having this problem if that were the case. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 332 Chapman Hall phone: (919) 962-4323 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From mrevoir at gmail.com Wed Oct 31 17:59:44 2007 From: mrevoir at gmail.com (Mike Revoir) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:59:44 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Plone Jams In-Reply-To: <47261519.50304@unc.edu> References: <18208.52865.777571.680696@dexter.saiph.com> <4721009C.3010107@unc.edu> <18213.63579.200414.488809@dexter.saiph.com> <1ea258670710290857nd7fce34v7fc280a78f24b24@mail.gmail.com> <47261519.50304@unc.edu> Message-ID: On 10/29/07, Chris Calloway wrote: > > With that, I suggest we leave it to Mark and Mike to divvy up first > Wednesday (Mark) and third Thursday (Mike). Would you guys want post > your Plone Jam dates and locations on trizpug.org? First Wednesday is > soon. I've scheduled our second Plone Jam on Nov 15th at Hock Plaza -- http://trizpug.org/Members/mrevoir/plonejams/2007-11-15. This is a different building that where we've been meeting for our TriZPUG meetings, but its about two blocks away on Erwin Rd next to the BP (or at least I think its a BP) and next to the VA. We'll have a typical conference room with a projector and wireless access. I'll update the logistics page ( http://trizpug.org/Members/mrevoir/hockplaza_logistics) with information on how to get into the building shortly. I look forward to seeing you then! Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob_lineberger at med.unc.edu Wed Oct 31 18:37:03 2007 From: rob_lineberger at med.unc.edu (Rob Lineberger) Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:37:03 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Plone Jams In-Reply-To: References: <18208.52865.777571.680696@dexter.saiph.com> <4721009C.3010107@unc.edu> <18213.63579.200414.488809@dexter.saiph.com> <1ea258670710290857nd7fce34v7fc280a78f24b24@mail.gmail.com> <47261519.50304@unc.edu> Message-ID: <1193852223.23652.13.camel@victoria> > > > I'll update the logistics page > (http://trizpug.org/Members/mrevoir/hockplaza_logistics) with > information on how to get into the building shortly. >From a previous email: The meeting will be held in the Hock Plaza building, which is just off the north side of the Duke University campus, at the corner of Erwin Rd. and Research Drive (next to the BP station and across the street from the Duke Eye Center). You can see an interactive map with driving directions courtesy of Google Maps. Alternatively you can follow the directions below: >From the west (Chapel Hill), take 15-501 N to Durham, take Exit 107 (Cameron Blvd/Duke University). Make a right at the bottom of the exit ramp. At the first stoplight, take left on Erwin and pass 3 lights at Moreene Rd, Lasalle Street and Research Drive. Immediately after Research Drive / Douglas St. you will see Hock Plaza on your left. >From the east or south (Raleigh), take Durham Fwy 147 and exit at 15B Fulton St. Turn left on Fulton St and go through one light, turn right at next light onto Erwin Rd. Hock Plaza is on your right just before you reach the next light at Research Dr / Douglas St. Parking There is free parking for visitors in the parking deck immediately behind the building. Enter through the covered driveway on Erwin Rd near the right front side of the building, and drive all the way to the back to enter the parking deck. (Do not park in the front ungated area which is reserved for coffee shop customers and building management only, otherwise you will be ticketed) Drive through to the back of the entry level of the parking deck where you will find gates. To get a free parking ticket, push the white intercom button and say you are there for the Duke Comprehensive Cancer Center web software meeting. Enter the Hock Plaza lobby which is actually level 3 of the building. Check in with the security guard and let them know you are here for the Duke Comprehensive Cancer Center web software meeting. They should let you come on up to the 7th floor. The 7th floor has additional security (badge access). Knock on the door to the left, I will be in the conference room just across the hallway from the lobby and should hear the knock. We will also keep looking and check the lobby often for any meeting participants. URL's used above if you have trouble: Google Maps http://maps.google.com/maps?q=2424+Erwin+Road+Durham +NC&spn=0.029418,0.027764&hl=en >