From robert at geigers.net Sun Sep 2 15:06:02 2007 From: robert at geigers.net (Robert Geiger) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 09:06:02 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Check this out... Message-ID: <46DAB53A.1010704@geigers.net> Since many of you are independent contractors, et al, I thought I'd forward you some information pertaining to paying taxes, a subject near and dear to our hearts.... -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5Of8M1MZJQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hRwkyqycgU&mode=related&search= Article: THE POWER TO DESTROY IRS loses challenge to prove tax liability Lawyer is acquitted after arguing income levy lacks legal foundation http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56855 http://www.truthattack.org/ **** Memorandum submitted to the court... won the case! http://www.truthattack.org/cryer_MEMORANDUM.pdf -- Robert Geiger 919.271.7132 Mobile 888.691.5888 Fax http://robert.geigers.net Have a great day! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: robert.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 219 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jeff at taupro.com Mon Sep 3 09:37:24 2007 From: jeff at taupro.com (Jeff Rush) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 02:37:24 -0500 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Revisiting Use of the Names "PyCamp" and "Bootcamp" Message-ID: <46DBB9B4.8010803@taupro.com> Greetings from Dallas! With your permission I would like to open a discussion with the TriZPUG group regarding use of the term "PyCamp". I have subscribed to your mailing list to reach your group, as I understand your community as a whole owns the name. Back in February 2007, prior to PyCon, the term accidentally got applied by Dallas folk to the idea for a first Texas Python "unconference" in Houston, not realizing you were using it for your series of training events. Chris Calloway brought it to our attention, and we backed off our use. At some point Chris mentioned in an email that TriZPUG chose the name to avoid infringing on the Python trademark, re "Python(r) Boot Camp". After reading the Python Software Foundation guidelines for use of the Python(r) trademark, that didn't sound quite right so I asked the PSF board to clarify their meaning. The PSF discussed it internally and came to the conclusions: - that they have no problem with anyone using the general term "Python Boot Camp" as long as the use is not exclusive and would prefer the addition of either a regional or date qualifier to distinguish them: - Houston Python Bootcamp - 2007 TriZPUG Python Bootcamp - that they have no policing interest nor jurisdiction over the term "PyCamp" (or indeed any "Py*" name), but would sincerely hope this quite general term would be shared throughout the world. They also felt that the meaning of the terms "PyCamp" and "Python Bootcamp" are very far apart, where a bootcamp is an intensive, short-term drill-instructor training session like what TriZPUG offers, while PyCamp has a correlation to O'Reilly's by-invitation Foo Camp or the spinoff anyone-is-welcome BarCamp, which are open, participatory workshop-events, whose content is provided by participants. Putting on my Python Advocacy Coordinator hat, I do believe worldwide usage of the term "PyCamp" to describe Python-related unconferences would be a valuable marketing tool, as it has high recognition association with "BarCamp", and that it would benefit the advocacy of Python overall. Therefore I would like to see if we can come together in agreement to let the name "PyCamp" be used for unconferences and "Python Bootcamp" for intensive training sessions, with geographic/year qualifiers to distinguish our respective events. Jeff Rush Python Advocacy Coordinator DFW Pythoneers Organizer (for those perhaps not familiar with the whole barcamp scene) Definition of "Unconference" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconference Definition of "Foo Camp" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FooCamp Definition of "BarCamp" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BarCamp From biggers at utsl.com Fri Sep 7 14:14:32 2007 From: biggers at utsl.com (Mark R. Biggers) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 08:14:32 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Plone-form captchas, FYI Message-ID: <18145.16552.980964.563535@dexter.saiph.com> FYI all Plone folks: http://www.evolvingbits.com/2007/09/04/captchas-a-spam-prevention-feature-for-your-plone-forms/ ...grabbed from the Planet Plone: http://planet.plone.org/ have a great day, ----mark From cbc at unc.edu Tue Sep 11 17:48:03 2007 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:48:03 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Software Freedom Day Celebration Coming to Chapel Hill Message-ID: <46E6B8B3.3020706@unc.edu> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: CONTACT: Crist?bal Palmer Carolina Open Source Initiative cristobalpalmer at gmail.com www.ibiblio.org/cosi Software Freedom Day Celebration Coming to Chapel Hill * Open source software demonstrations and presentations * Friday, 14 September 2007, 10am-4pm * FPG Student Union, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill * map: Chapel Hill, NC ? The international celebration of Software Freedom Day will come a day early to UNC-CH, on Friday, 14 September 2007. The Carolina Open Source Initiative (COSI) is sponsoring an all-day event with open source software demonstrations, speakers, free food and gear, and door prizes from Dell. Demonstrations will be held for TheOpenCD, a compilation of free open source software for users of Microsoft Windows; and Ubuntu with Beryl, which brings 3D desktop visual effects to the popular free open source operating system. Presentations will be given by: * Max Spevack, the Fedora project leader at Red Hat, 10 am. * Amit Bhutani, a Senior Linux Software Engineer from Dell, 11 am. * Pam Sessoms, the Electronic Reference Services Librarian at Davis Library, UNC-CH, noon. * Mark Finkle, a Platform Evangelist at Mozilla, 12:45 pm. * Joseph Mack, of AustinTek, 1:45 pm. Software Freedom Day for Chapel Hill, NC, is sponsored by Dell, MindTouch, OpenNMS, Triangle Linux Users Group (TriLUG), Red Hat, and Siena Tech. This event is free and open to the public. For additional information on Software Freedom Day at Chapel Hill, contact Crist?bal Palmer or visit www.ibiblio.org/cosi. ABOUT CAROLINA OPEN SOURCE INITIATIVE: COSI was founded in 2007 to facilitate communication and collaboration among members of the UNC-CH and Triangle communities who want to utilize, support, or develop open source software. COSI is devoted to educating students, faculty and staff about open source software and its technical, economic and social benefits, and is committed to offering positive and realistic open source solutions to campus needs and challenges. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 332 Chapman Hall phone: (919) 962-4323 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From cbc at unc.edu Mon Sep 17 16:47:43 2007 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:47:43 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Paging Paul Smith and Adam Hupp and unrelated general question about Plone Conference addressed to all of TriZPUG Message-ID: <46EE938F.8030506@unc.edu> Paul, Are you hosting TriZPUG next week? Just wondering in advance. :) Adam, I heard you say you were interested in presenting Pymacs and/or Python 3K soon? I'm just voicing my support that if you were going to present either of those at a hypothetical meeting, say, next week, that I would make extra effort to be at such a meeting. :) All, Are any of you sitting on the fence about whether to go to Plone Conference next month? Like, you think you might be going but are having doubts of one kind or another? I'm asking because there might be limited "help" available of one kind of another. Email me offlist, please, if you fit the profile. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 332 Chapman Hall phone: (919) 962-4323 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From cbc at unc.edu Tue Sep 18 16:09:33 2007 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:09:33 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Offtopic: live video now of UNC divers at the Aquarius undersea lab Message-ID: <46EFDC1D.4040002@unc.edu> Live videocast with Dr. Martens and Dr. Lindquist explaining what you are seeing: Dr. Chris Martens: http://nurc.net/reddiver.htm Dr. Niels Lindquist: http://nurc.net/greendiver.htm More information: http://www.uncw.edu/aquarius/ -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 332 Chapman Hall phone: (919) 962-4323 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From cjj at ifpeople.net Tue Sep 18 16:49:33 2007 From: cjj at ifpeople.net (Christopher Johnson) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:49:33 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] ApacheCon in Atlanta! Message-ID: <1190126973.4592.17.camel@quebracho> Hey folks, Looks like we got a big geek-fest coming to town - ApacheCon! Nov 12-16, 2007 I placed a call to see if they are doing anything to host community spaces (a la Plone booth), though the web site doesn't make it promising...anyway, will let folks know. May be a nice opportunity to promote Plone and our local group. To our Plonista brethren in Triangle land, if you are coming to the conference, please let us know! 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From adam at hupp.org Wed Sep 19 16:12:19 2007 From: adam at hupp.org (Adam Hupp) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:12:19 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Paging Paul Smith and Adam Hupp and unrelated general question about Plone Conference addressed to all of TriZPUG In-Reply-To: <766a29bd0709180713x214cf343j1f8abbb1fe62f92a@mail.gmail.com> References: <46EE938F.8030506@unc.edu> <766a29bd0709180713x214cf343j1f8abbb1fe62f92a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <766a29bd0709190712t2f443449hf33b58ad63274472@mail.gmail.com> I think this got caught in the moderation queue, so resending from the right address. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Adam Hupp Date: Sep 18, 2007 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [triangle-zpug] Paging Paul Smith and Adam Hupp and unrelated general question about Plone Conference addressed to all of TriZPUG To: cbc at unc.edu, "Mailing list for North Carolina (Research Triangle area) Zope/Python User Group" On 9/17/07, Chris Calloway wrote: > > I heard you say you were interested in presenting Pymacs and/or Python > 3K soon? > I'm just voicing my support that if you were going to present either of > those at a hypothetical meeting, say, next week, that I would make extra > effort to be at such a meeting. :) Yes, that sounds good to me. I was going to talk about either the emacs python-mode (not pymacs), or on the changes coming up in python 3000. Anyone have a preference? It would be interesting to have a series of talks on different python editors. I'd like to hear see what other people are using too. I'm not sure how much time I would need for these topics but I doubt it would take more than half an hour. Does anyone else want to take the other half of the time? Otherwise it could just be an open session. -- Adam Hupp | http://hupp.org/adam/ -- Adam Hupp | http://hupp.org/adam/ From tbryan at python.net Sat Sep 22 14:29:39 2007 From: tbryan at python.net (T. Bryan) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:29:39 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] FYI - mailman host is moving Message-ID: <46F50AB3.2010700@python.net> Just an FYI for the group. This mailing list has been kindly hosted by the folks who run http://starship.python.net/ since the start of the group many years ago. The domain will be moved to a different machine at a different hosting company before the end of the month. The hope is that the move will happen without a glitch, but there is a window of time during the last week of September or the first week of October where someone might mess up a DNS change or configure mailman incorrectly on the new host. As a further aside, as Python has grown, there is less need in the Python community for http://starship.python.net/. It was founded by Christian Tsimer at a time when few hosting companies provided Python. It was intended to be a place where the community could show off all of the cool things people could do with Python. Since it's now much easier to find Python and even Plone hosting providers and since the software world now knows how cool Python is, the long term existence of http://starship.python.net/ is in some doubt. I don't think that it will go away any time soon, but it might be good for TriZPUG to look around for another mailing list host. Maybe we could run Mailman on trizpug.org. Anyway, it might be a good idea to migrate the list in the next year or two. In any case, it's probably good to have a contingency plan for the list so that we don't have to scramble if we get word that http://starship.python.net/ is going away at some point. Regards, ---Tom From adam at hupp.org Mon Sep 24 02:55:15 2007 From: adam at hupp.org (Adam Hupp) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:55:15 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Paging Paul Smith and Adam Hupp and unrelated general question about Plone Conference addressed to all of TriZPUG In-Reply-To: <766a29bd0709190712t2f443449hf33b58ad63274472@mail.gmail.com> References: <46EE938F.8030506@unc.edu> <766a29bd0709180713x214cf343j1f8abbb1fe62f92a@mail.gmail.com> <766a29bd0709190712t2f443449hf33b58ad63274472@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <766a29bd0709231755o6b8fabf6pb280a2f636a5e3ea@mail.gmail.com> I've decided the topic will be how to use emacs as a python IDE. I won't assume any emacs knowledge, so hopefully this will serve as a general tutorial as well. Where is the meeting this week? The website still lists August's meeting. On 9/19/07, Adam Hupp wrote: > I think this got caught in the moderation queue, so resending from the > right address. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Adam Hupp > Date: Sep 18, 2007 10:13 AM > Subject: Re: [triangle-zpug] Paging Paul Smith and Adam Hupp and > unrelated general question about Plone Conference addressed to all of > TriZPUG > To: cbc at unc.edu, "Mailing list for North Carolina (Research Triangle > area) Zope/Python User Group" > > > On 9/17/07, Chris Calloway wrote: > > > > I heard you say you were interested in presenting Pymacs and/or Python > > 3K soon? > > I'm just voicing my support that if you were going to present either of > > those at a hypothetical meeting, say, next week, that I would make extra > > effort to be at such a meeting. :) > > Yes, that sounds good to me. I was going to talk about either the > emacs python-mode (not pymacs), or on the changes coming up in python > 3000. Anyone have a preference? > > It would be interesting to have a series of talks on different python > editors. I'd like to hear see what other people are using too. > > I'm not sure how much time I would need for these topics but I doubt > it would take more than half an hour. Does anyone else want to take > the other half of the time? Otherwise it could just be an open > session. > > -- > Adam Hupp | http://hupp.org/adam/ > > > -- > Adam Hupp | http://hupp.org/adam/ > -- Adam Hupp | http://hupp.org/adam/ From cbc at unc.edu Mon Sep 24 21:41:40 2007 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:41:40 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Paging Paul Smith and Adam Hupp and unrelated general question about Plone Conference addressed to all of TriZPUG In-Reply-To: <766a29bd0709231755o6b8fabf6pb280a2f636a5e3ea@mail.gmail.com> References: <46EE938F.8030506@unc.edu> <766a29bd0709180713x214cf343j1f8abbb1fe62f92a@mail.gmail.com> <766a29bd0709190712t2f443449hf33b58ad63274472@mail.gmail.com> <766a29bd0709231755o6b8fabf6pb280a2f636a5e3ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F812F4.5030209@unc.edu> Adam Hupp wrote: > I've decided the topic will be how to use emacs as a python IDE. I > won't assume any emacs knowledge, so hopefully this will serve as a > general tutorial as well. > > Where is the meeting this week? The website still lists August's meeting. It still lists August because we have not heard from Paul nor had he updated the site. I will call him now. I've been in a meeting all day else I would have called him already. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 332 Chapman Hall phone: (919) 962-4323 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From cbc at unc.edu Mon Sep 24 21:55:10 2007 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:55:10 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Paging Paul Smith and Adam Hupp and unrelated general question about Plone Conference addressed to all of TriZPUG In-Reply-To: <766a29bd0709231755o6b8fabf6pb280a2f636a5e3ea@mail.gmail.com> References: <46EE938F.8030506@unc.edu> <766a29bd0709180713x214cf343j1f8abbb1fe62f92a@mail.gmail.com> <766a29bd0709190712t2f443449hf33b58ad63274472@mail.gmail.com> <766a29bd0709231755o6b8fabf6pb280a2f636a5e3ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F8161E.1050102@unc.edu> Adam Hupp wrote: > I've decided the topic will be how to use emacs as a python IDE. I > won't assume any emacs knowledge, so hopefully this will serve as a > general tutorial as well. > > Where is the meeting this week? The website still lists August's meeting. The meeting is posted: http://trizpug.org/Members/psmith/sept-07-mtg/ Adam Hupp presents Emacs as a Python IDE. This will not assume any emacs knowledge, so hopefully the presentation will serve as a general tutorial as well. For more information, visit http://trizpug.org/Members/psmith/capstrat-directions/ What Meeting When 2007-09-25 from 19:00 to 21:00 Where Capstrat, 1201 Edwards Mill Road, Suite 102, Raleigh Name Paul Smith Contact Email psmith the at sign capstrat the dot mark com Contact Phone (919) 805-9212 -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 332 Chapman Hall phone: (919) 962-4323 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From cbc at unc.edu Mon Sep 24 21:59:14 2007 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:59:14 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] FYI - mailman host is moving In-Reply-To: <46F50AB3.2010700@python.net> References: <46F50AB3.2010700@python.net> Message-ID: <46F81712.1010705@unc.edu> T. Bryan wrote: > Just an FYI for the group. This mailing list has been kindly hosted by the > folks who run http://starship.python.net/ since the start of the group many > years ago. The domain will be moved to a different machine at a different > hosting company before the end of the month. The hope is that the move will > happen without a glitch, but there is a window of time during the last week > of September or the first week of October where someone might mess up a DNS > change or configure mailman incorrectly on the new host. > > As a further aside, as Python has grown, there is less need in the Python > community for http://starship.python.net/. It was founded by Christian > Tsimer at a time when few hosting companies provided Python. It was > intended to be a place where the community could show off all of the cool > things people could do with Python. Since it's now much easier to find > Python and even Plone hosting providers and since the software world now > knows how cool Python is, the long term existence of > http://starship.python.net/ is in some doubt. I don't think that it will go > away any time soon, but it might be good for TriZPUG to look around for > another mailing list host. Maybe we could run Mailman on trizpug.org. > Anyway, it might be a good idea to migrate the list in the next year or two. > In any case, it's probably good to have a contingency plan for the list so > that we don't have to scramble if we get word that > http://starship.python.net/ is going away at some point. Tom, Thank you for being the contact for this for so very long. I'm going to apply to get us hosted on python.org. I copied the member list from http://starship.python.net/mailman/listinfo/triangle-zpug It shows there are 2 private digested members not shown and 1 private non-digested member not shown. I guess there is no way to find out who those private members are and they will just have to rejoin? -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 332 Chapman Hall phone: (919) 962-4323 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From tbryan at python.net Fri Sep 28 13:29:04 2007 From: tbryan at python.net (T. Bryan) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:29:04 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] Moderation queue In-Reply-To: <766a29bd0709190712t2f443449hf33b58ad63274472@mail.gmail.com> References: <46EE938F.8030506@unc.edu> <766a29bd0709180713x214cf343j1f8abbb1fe62f92a@mail.gmail.com> <766a29bd0709190712t2f443449hf33b58ad63274472@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <46FCE580.1050707@python.net> Adam Hupp wrote: > I think this got caught in the moderation queue, so resending from the > right address. Note that the triangle-zpug address gets a bunch of spam, which is now making it to the moderation queue. I still handle the list's moderation queue, but I'm unlikely to notice a legitimate message caught in the queue because of the volume of junk there. If you've been queued, either fix the problem and resend your message (as Adam did), or just send me a note directly, and I'll pass your message through the queue. Regards, ---Tom From cbc at unc.edu Fri Sep 28 15:33:39 2007 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:33:39 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] FYI - mailman host is moving In-Reply-To: <46F81712.1010705@unc.edu> References: <46F50AB3.2010700@python.net> <46F81712.1010705@unc.edu> Message-ID: <46FD02B3.5030408@unc.edu> Chris Calloway wrote: > I'm going to apply to get us hosted on python.org. Speaking of the email list, I did send a note to mailman at python.org as advised by the PSF user group advocacy coordinator and haven't heard squat back. I asked what the terms of use would be. I've heard that user group email lists hosted on python.org don't actually have administrative control of their own email lists. So I simply wanted to know what the deal would be. Running our own Mailman might be what we have to do. That would be both interesting and unfortunate. Mark Biggers, didn't we decide PostFix should be our mail server of choice? -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 332 Chapman Hall phone: (919) 962-4323 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From jeff at taupro.com Fri Sep 28 21:49:12 2007 From: jeff at taupro.com (Jeff Rush) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:49:12 -0500 Subject: [triangle-zpug] FYI - mailman host is moving In-Reply-To: <46FD02B3.5030408@unc.edu> References: <46F50AB3.2010700@python.net> <46F81712.1010705@unc.edu> <46FD02B3.5030408@unc.edu> Message-ID: <46FD5AB8.2020404@taupro.com> Chris Calloway wrote: > Chris Calloway wrote: >> I'm going to apply to get us hosted on python.org. > > Speaking of the email list, I did send a note to mailman at python.org as > advised by the PSF user group advocacy coordinator and haven't heard > squat back. Hmm, I did a full search of my mail archives and didn't see anything from you about it - perhaps you meant mailman at python.org, which is an automated blackhole that no one actually reads. This has bit me before, waiting for a reply from that address. > I asked what the terms of use would be. I've heard that user > group email lists hosted on python.org don't actually have > administrative control of their own email lists. So I simply wanted to > know what the deal would be. No, actually you get a Mailman admin password and can set up your list any way you want. Just drop an email to "postmaster at python.org" and one of the volunteers will help you out. You'll need to send in that email a few items: - short name of your list - long name of your list - one or more emails of someone who will administer/moderate the list They'll set you up, make your list private/invisible, you'll get an automated email giving you your password and then you log in to change your password, adjust the settings and change your list to public/visible. Hope this helps, -Jeff From cbc at unc.edu Fri Sep 28 22:34:32 2007 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:34:32 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] FYI - mailman host is moving In-Reply-To: <46FD5AB8.2020404@taupro.com> References: <46F50AB3.2010700@python.net> <46F81712.1010705@unc.edu> <46FD02B3.5030408@unc.edu> <46FD5AB8.2020404@taupro.com> Message-ID: <46FD6558.2060900@unc.edu> Jeff Rush wrote: > Chris Calloway wrote: >> Chris Calloway wrote: >>> I'm going to apply to get us hosted on python.org. >> Speaking of the email list, I did send a note to mailman at python.org as >> advised by the PSF user group advocacy coordinator and haven't heard >> squat back. > > Hmm, I did a full search of my mail archives and didn't see anything from you > about it - perhaps you meant mailman at python.org, which is an automated > blackhole that no one actually reads. This has bit me before, waiting for a > reply from that address. Send it to mailman.python.org as stated above is what I did, as advised by you in this offlist discussion on 3/3/07 precipitated by a discussion on the user group advocacy list about how to best get an email list for user groups: Jeff Rush wrote: > Chris Calloway wrote: >> >> By what process did you go about getting an email list created on >> python.org? > > All I did was fire off an email explaining who I was and what I wanted > to: > > > > I believe that alias goes to a list of volunteer administrators who > then create the list for you. As I recall, they prefer to keep admin > control over the list themselves, so it would help if you provided in > your request any settings, such as the subject line label e.g. > [advocacy], and the abstract/description of your new list. This way > they only have to change your settings once, when they set it up. > > You can see a roster of all the mailing lists at: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo > > to get some ideas on what to call yours relative to other similar > groups and what descriptive information is typically used on > python.org. There are several usergroup lists already there, so your > request is not out of character. Does that ring a bell? :) Hearing that we wouldn't have admin control is what kept me from signing up for a python.org list then. >> I asked what the terms of use would be. I've heard that user >> group email lists hosted on python.org don't actually have >> administrative control of their own email lists. So I simply wanted to >> know what the deal would be. > > No, actually you get a Mailman admin password and can set up your list any way > you want. Just drop an email to "postmaster at python.org" and one of the > volunteers will help you out. OK, I'll try postmaster at python.org this time. Especially since we could get admin control of the list. Although, if you look at: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo It says: "If you are having trouble using the lists, please contact mailman at python.org." And the list admin page at: http://mail.python.org/mailman/admin says: "(Send questions and comments to mailman at python.org.)" > You'll need to send in that email a few items: > > - short name of your list > - long name of your list > - one or more emails of someone who will administer/moderate the list > > They'll set you up, make your list private/invisible, you'll get an automated > email giving you your password and then you log in to change your password, > adjust the settings and change your list to public/visible. > > Hope this helps, Very much, thanks again. Having to run our own mailserver and and mailman would have been a huge never-ending PITA. Hopefully with administrative control, we'll be able to migrate our list of subscribers over almost transparently. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 332 Chapman Hall phone: (919) 962-4323 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From cbc at unc.edu Fri Sep 28 22:40:38 2007 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:40:38 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] FYI - mailman host is moving In-Reply-To: <46FD6558.2060900@unc.edu> References: <46F50AB3.2010700@python.net> <46F81712.1010705@unc.edu> <46FD02B3.5030408@unc.edu> <46FD5AB8.2020404@taupro.com> <46FD6558.2060900@unc.edu> Message-ID: <46FD66C6.806@unc.edu> >> - one or more emails of someone who will administer/moderate the list BTW, before I make another request of python.org, would anyone else among us we know well enough like to volunteer to be among the list of admins/moderators? It would be good to have three of us at least, I think. Tom Bryan, do you still want to help with this? We have certainly benefited from your many years of doing so. -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 332 Chapman Hall phone: (919) 962-4323 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 From jeff at taupro.com Sat Sep 29 00:11:16 2007 From: jeff at taupro.com (Jeff Rush) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:11:16 -0500 Subject: [triangle-zpug] FYI - mailman host is moving In-Reply-To: <46FD6558.2060900@unc.edu> References: <46F50AB3.2010700@python.net> <46F81712.1010705@unc.edu> <46FD02B3.5030408@unc.edu> <46FD5AB8.2020404@taupro.com> <46FD6558.2060900@unc.edu> Message-ID: <46FD7C04.8090706@taupro.com> Chris Calloway wrote: > Jeff Rush wrote: >> Chris Calloway wrote: > > Send it to mailman.python.org as stated above is what I did, as advised > by you in this offlist discussion on 3/3/07 precipitated by a discussion > on the user group advocacy list about how to best get an email list for > user groups: > > Jeff Rush wrote: >> Chris Calloway wrote: >>> >>> By what process did you go about getting an email list created on >>> python.org? >> >> All I did was fire off an email explaining who I was and what I wanted >> to: >> >> Yeah, I got caught in those mis-instructions as well, the first couple of times (over several months so I forgot again), and waited for a reply. > OK, I'll try postmaster at python.org this time. Especially since we could > get admin control of the list. > > Although, if you look at: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo > > It says: > > "If you are having trouble using the lists, please contact > mailman at python.org." > > And the list admin page at: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/admin These are wrong and were brought to the attention of those who can change it (not in an area I can change). There was some discussion but no one had time to actually fix it, as I recall. > Hopefully with administrative control, we'll be able to migrate our list > of subscribers over almost transparently. Yes, the Bangalore usersgroup just migrated their members onto mail.python.org quite painlessly, not wanting to run their own Mailman server either. And just for general information, the Python advocacy coordinator project is wrapping up and coming to an end on Oct 15. I'll be heading off to other things, probably Zope 3 work. -Jeff From cbc at unc.edu Sat Sep 29 05:15:10 2007 From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:15:10 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] CharPy and WSGI and virtualenv and zopeproject Message-ID: <0A828041-944B-4149-8DE5-C0E73C0C4C11@unc.edu> FYI, a Python user group has recently started meeting in Charlotte. They are about 10 people at this point: charpy at googlegroups.com They've met twice, I think. Once for breakfast on or near Central Ave., and once for a presentation at CPCC (whose web presence is Plone). At their last meeting, Brodie Rao made a presentation on WSGI. Then he posted this ridiculously awesome journal entry about it: http://brodierao.com/journal/why-wsgi/ This just goes to prove the adage, "Why use someone else's Python web framework when it's so easy to roll your own?" I'm excited because Brodie says on the CharPy list: "I plan to write some followup articles on the subject of WSGI and web applications, from how to make simple CRUD applications, to building complex output-transforming WSGI middleware. I also intend to show where this "roll your own" development style falls short, and how it can be made into a more viable solution." What a great example of someone sharing their experience with others. Seeing that people like Brodie are involved lets me know that CharPy is going to be a big success. I wouldn't be surprised if we go to PyCon in Charlotte one day. Speaking of ridiculously awesome blog posts, check out the screencast with this one (especially youse guys using virtual python): http://baijum81.livejournal.com/22191.html -- Sincerely, Chris Calloway http://www.seacoos.org office: 332 Chapman Hall cell: (919) 599-3530 mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tbryan at python.net Sun Sep 30 15:48:58 2007 From: tbryan at python.net (T. Bryan) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:48:58 -0400 Subject: [triangle-zpug] FYI - mailman host is moving In-Reply-To: <46FD66C6.806@unc.edu> References: <46F50AB3.2010700@python.net> <46FD6558.2060900@unc.edu> <46FD66C6.806@unc.edu> Message-ID: <200709300948.59355.tbryan@python.net> On Friday 28 September 2007 16:40, Chris Calloway wrote: > >> - one or more emails of someone who will administer/moderate the list > Tom Bryan, do you still want to help with this? We have certainly > benefited from your many years of doing so. Sure. There's not normally much to do, and the Mailman admin interface is pretty straightforward. Of course, I know how the current list is configured, so I can probably help set up the new list the same way. Really, the move should be largely painless except for the change in the actual list address. It looks like starahip.python.net will continue to exist for now. Like I said, its original purpose isn't really necessary anymore, and I expect that it will probably be shut down at some point in the future. It would make me feel better if we could move triangle-zpug to a different host now so that there's not a scramble in the future. Thanks for taking the lead in finding out who to contact about moving the list to python.org, Chris. By the way, does python.org also handle list archives? It would be cool if we could move our old archives over, too: it would be a shame to lose five years of our history. http://starship.python.net/pipermail/triangle-zpug/ ---Tom