From cbc at unc.edu  Tue Jan  3 17:26:17 2012
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 11:26:17 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] Lookiong For A Substitute Python Teacher At Chapel Hill
 Chinese School For 6 Weeks In Jan - Feb
Message-ID: <4F032C29.9040900@unc.edu>

I received the following request from Wen Gong, a TriZPUG member via 
meetup.com. Contact Wen directly if you can help:

Hi Chris,
I started teaching python to kids (mid-high school) since last Fall at 
Chapel Hill Chinese school (http://www.csch-nc.org).

Time: 5-5:50 pm Saturday
Place: McDougle Middle School
900 Old Fayetteville Road
Chapel Hill, NC 27516-7935

Due to a family emergency, I will not be able to teach for next 6 weeks 
in Jan 7 - Feb 18
Can you post this message to your group and help locate a substitute 
teacher in Chapel Hill area?

Anyone who is interested can contact me at wen.g.gong at gmail.com.
The substitute teacher will be paid at $25 per class.

Thanks,
Wen

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc
office: 3313 Venable Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599

From justis.peters at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 21:03:56 2012
From: justis.peters at gmail.com (Justis Peters)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:03:56 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] Fwd: [TriLUG] January 12 meeting - Open Source Business
 Intelligence Tools
Message-ID: <4F035F2C.7000201@gmail.com>

Some TriZPUG members may be interested in next week's meeting of the 
Triangle Linux Users Group. Alex will be talking mostly about products 
from Pentaho (http://www.pentaho.com/), which are primarily written in 
Java and have APIs for Java. That said, you could probably consume them 
using jython.

He will also be talking generally about business intelligence, which is 
an exciting and interesting topic for anyone with access to significant 
amounts of data. There are also a handful of OLAP projects implemented 
in python, so you may be able to apply the knowledge from Alex's talk to 
speed your learning of a python project.

For a quick intro to what BI is, please see 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_intelligence. If that gets you 
curious, then please join us next week to learn more!

Kind regards,
Justis Peters

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Subject: 	[TriLUG] January 12 meeting - Open Source Business 
Intelligence Tools
Date: 	Thu, 29 Dec 2011 10:31:20 -0500
Reply-To: 	Triangle Linux Users Group General Discussion 
<trilug at trilug.org>
To: 	trilug-announce at trilug.org, Triangle Linux Users Group General 
Discussion <trilug at trilug.org>



Topic: Open Source Business Intelligence Tools
Presenter: Alex Meadows
When: Thursday, January 12, 7pm
Where: Red Hat HQ, NCSU Centennial Campus
Map: http://www.redhat.com/about/contact/ww/americas/raleigh.html

Business Intelligence has become one of the business world's most 
valuable tools to determine upcoming business decisions. Thanks to the 
open source revolution, BI is no longer just for enterprise level 
businesses. This presentation will go over the different areas of 
Business Intelligence and show just how far open source alternatives 
have come in each area. BI can be broken down into five distinct areas, 
which include:

*) Reporting
*) Data Warehousing
*) Statistical Analysis
*) Visualization
*) Predictive Analytics

 From the very basic reporting to the most advanced predictive 
analytics, open source can cover many of the features and capabilities 
of their multi-million dollar competitors.

Alex Meadows is an avid open source advocate and self proclaimed 'data 
geek'. He has worked in the Business Intelligence field for six years 
and holds a Masters in Business Intelligence from Saint Joseph's 
University. He is also the Community Leader of the RTP Penthao User 
Group. He can be followed on his blog at 
http://www.bluefiredatasolutions.com and on Twitter at @DBA_Alex.

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From cbc at unc.edu  Wed Jan  4 00:53:09 2012
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 18:53:09 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG January 2012 Meeting: Your Talk Goes Here
Message-ID: <4F0394E5.7040608@unc.edu>

http://trizpug.org/Members/cbc/jan-12-mtg

When: Thursday, January 26, 2012 at 6pm

Where: Classroom G201, Murray Hall, campus of UNC-CH, 101 South Rd, 
Chapel Hill (http://trizpug.org/Members/cbc/mascparkingmap.pdf)

What: To announce a talk for this meeting, send an email with your topic 
to the TriZPUG email list. As always, spontaneous lightning talks of ten 
minutes or less on other topics are also welcome. Anything you've 
learned about Python, no matter how trivial, can be a lightning talk. 
Note: this meeting starts at 6pm as the doors to the building 
automatically lock at 7pm. Parking is available in the lot beside the 
building for those who show up early.

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc
office: 3313 Venable Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599

From cbc at unc.edu  Thu Jan  5 20:01:03 2012
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2012 14:01:03 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG January 2012 Meeting: Your Talk Goes Here
In-Reply-To: <4F0394E5.7040608@unc.edu>
References: <4F0394E5.7040608@unc.edu>
Message-ID: <4F05F36F.3000007@unc.edu>

The announcement below is to say, if you'd like to speak at the next 
meeting, then please sound off and you'll be added to the meeting topic. 
The last time we met at UNC, Joseph Tate gave an awesome Ply presentation.

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc
office: 3313 Venable Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599

On 1/3/2012 6:53 PM, Chris Calloway wrote:
> http://trizpug.org/Members/cbc/jan-12-mtg
>
> When: Thursday, January 26, 2012 at 6pm
>
> Where: Classroom G201, Murray Hall, campus of UNC-CH, 101 South Rd,
> Chapel Hill (http://trizpug.org/Members/cbc/mascparkingmap.pdf)
>
> What: To announce a talk for this meeting, send an email with your topic
> to the TriZPUG email list. As always, spontaneous lightning talks of ten
> minutes or less on other topics are also welcome. Anything you've
> learned about Python, no matter how trivial, can be a lightning talk.
> Note: this meeting starts at 6pm as the doors to the building
> automatically lock at 7pm. Parking is available in the lot beside the
> building for those who show up early.

From nathan.alexander.rice at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 20:30:11 2012
From: nathan.alexander.rice at gmail.com (Nathan Rice)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 14:30:11 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG January 2012 Meeting: Your Talk Goes Here
In-Reply-To: <4F05F36F.3000007@unc.edu>
References: <4F0394E5.7040608@unc.edu>
	<4F05F36F.3000007@unc.edu>
Message-ID: <CAOFbRmKkUP4rOBipO7UTDAegj7Ltga+igGHDgtpgNZ39cc4N=g@mail.gmail.com>

I could give a couple of lightning talks to help fill up the schedule.
 I have a neat project called Elementwise I could give a short demo of
and talk about, and I imagine some people would probably be somewhat
interested in an overview of the micro-framework Flask and the
similarities/differences relative to Django and Pyramid.

Nathan Rice

From cbc at unc.edu  Mon Jan  9 21:10:08 2012
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 15:10:08 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG January 2012 Meeting: Your Talk Goes Here
In-Reply-To: <CAOFbRmKkUP4rOBipO7UTDAegj7Ltga+igGHDgtpgNZ39cc4N=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F0394E5.7040608@unc.edu> <4F05F36F.3000007@unc.edu>
	<CAOFbRmKkUP4rOBipO7UTDAegj7Ltga+igGHDgtpgNZ39cc4N=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F0B49A0.7070709@unc.edu>

On 1/9/2012 2:30 PM, Nathan Rice wrote:
> I could give a couple of lightning talks to help fill up the schedule.
>   I have a neat project called Elementwise I could give a short demo of
> and talk about, and I imagine some people would probably be somewhat
> interested in an overview of the micro-framework Flask and the
> similarities/differences relative to Django and Pyramid.

You are on the agenda!

I just found this today, which is based on Flask:

http://pypi.python.org/pypi/Stallion

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc
office: 3313 Venable Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599

From nathan.alexander.rice at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 21:11:01 2012
From: nathan.alexander.rice at gmail.com (Nathan Rice)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:11:01 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG reminder - meeting this Thursday
Message-ID: <CAOFbRm+W7XOk4nxDSvTBC9ijSjZNvQfWm2KUFaRWoq+1VsPAnw@mail.gmail.com>

Just a friendly reminder to everyone on behalf of Chris Calloway,

When: Thursday, January 26, 2012 at 6pm

Where: Classroom G201, Murray Hall, campus of UNC-CH, 101 South Rd,
Chapel Hill (http://trizpug.org/Members/cbc/mascparkingmap.pdf)

I will be giving a presentation on symbolic programming in Python:

* Elaboration of what exactly symbolic programming is, as well as some
history for the uninitiated.
* Benefits and features of symbolic programming.
* Current approaches, using my projects Elementwise
(https://github.com/nathan-rice/Elementwise) and Constraints as case
studies.
* How you can implement language level support for symbolic
programming using PyPy.

I will also be giving a very short lightning talk where I compare and
contrast Flask with other popular approaches, such as Django, Pyramid,
etc.

If you would like to give a short lightning talk about pretty much
anything Python related, you are welcome to do so.  The best way to
learn is to teach others.


Nathan Rice

From pgodley at gmail.com  Thu Jan 26 14:02:28 2012
From: pgodley at gmail.com (Paul Godley)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 08:02:28 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG reminder - meeting this Thursday
In-Reply-To: <CAOFbRm+W7XOk4nxDSvTBC9ijSjZNvQfWm2KUFaRWoq+1VsPAnw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOFbRm+W7XOk4nxDSvTBC9ijSjZNvQfWm2KUFaRWoq+1VsPAnw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BBFC8DD1-A006-4544-BDDE-33899439D7FA@gmail.com>

What are my odds of finding a parking place on a game night?

P

On Jan 24, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Nathan Rice <nathan.alexander.rice at gmail.com> wrote:

> Just a friendly reminder to everyone on behalf of Chris Calloway,
> 
> When: Thursday, January 26, 2012 at 6pm
> 
> Where: Classroom G201, Murray Hall, campus of UNC-CH, 101 South Rd,
> Chapel Hill (http://trizpug.org/Members/cbc/mascparkingmap.pdf)
> 
> I will be giving a presentation on symbolic programming in Python:
> 
> * Elaboration of what exactly symbolic programming is, as well as some
> history for the uninitiated.
> * Benefits and features of symbolic programming.
> * Current approaches, using my projects Elementwise
> (https://github.com/nathan-rice/Elementwise) and Constraints as case
> studies.
> * How you can implement language level support for symbolic
> programming using PyPy.
> 
> I will also be giving a very short lightning talk where I compare and
> contrast Flask with other popular approaches, such as Django, Pyramid,
> etc.
> 
> If you would like to give a short lightning talk about pretty much
> anything Python related, you are welcome to do so.  The best way to
> learn is to teach others.
> 
> 
> Nathan Rice
> _______________________________________________
> TriZPUG mailing list
> TriZPUG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug
> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group


From nathan.alexander.rice at gmail.com  Thu Jan 26 15:51:43 2012
From: nathan.alexander.rice at gmail.com (Nathan Rice)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 09:51:43 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG reminder - meeting this Thursday
In-Reply-To: <BBFC8DD1-A006-4544-BDDE-33899439D7FA@gmail.com>
References: <CAOFbRm+W7XOk4nxDSvTBC9ijSjZNvQfWm2KUFaRWoq+1VsPAnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<BBFC8DD1-A006-4544-BDDE-33899439D7FA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOFbRmLv87OCxjBB4UC7nK-WZwz3knJo1xVm_EmqO46351g7Xg@mail.gmail.com>

Your best bet would be to park in chapel hill and take the bus in.
There is an open lot down the streen from Murray hall behind the art
building that is worth a shot too.

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 8:02 AM, Paul Godley <pgodley at gmail.com> wrote:
> What are my odds of finding a parking place on a game night?
>
> P

From justis.peters at gmail.com  Thu Jan 26 21:08:39 2012
From: justis.peters at gmail.com (Justis Peters)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:08:39 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG reminder - meeting this Thursday
In-Reply-To: <CAOFbRm+W7XOk4nxDSvTBC9ijSjZNvQfWm2KUFaRWoq+1VsPAnw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOFbRm+W7XOk4nxDSvTBC9ijSjZNvQfWm2KUFaRWoq+1VsPAnw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F21B2C7.90105@gmail.com>

On 01/24/2012 03:11 PM, Nathan Rice wrote:
> When: Thursday, January 26, 2012 at 6pm
Is this really at 6pm instead of at 7pm? For those of us coming from 
Raleigh, it's hard to get to Chapel Hill by 6pm.

Kind regards,
Justis

From nathan.alexander.rice at gmail.com  Thu Jan 26 21:35:44 2012
From: nathan.alexander.rice at gmail.com (Nathan Rice)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:35:44 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG reminder - meeting this Thursday
In-Reply-To: <4F21B2C7.90105@gmail.com>
References: <CAOFbRm+W7XOk4nxDSvTBC9ijSjZNvQfWm2KUFaRWoq+1VsPAnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F21B2C7.90105@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOFbRm+k4THqnKVQPGzsn4XHtnBCjbh2a--dsQ7UFRb6=uA0zw@mail.gmail.com>

Chris asked me to be there a little bit before 6 to set up.  I was
under the impression that our meetings were usually at 7, I'm not sure
what the rational here is.

I understand the issue with the timing and the Raleigh to Chapel Hill
commute.  I imagine we could create a half an hour grace window by
turning the usual introductions into an improv sharing session.  Would
that help?

Nathan

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Justis Peters <justis.peters at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 01/24/2012 03:11 PM, Nathan Rice wrote:
>>
>> When: Thursday, January 26, 2012 at 6pm
>
> Is this really at 6pm instead of at 7pm? For those of us coming from
> Raleigh, it's hard to get to Chapel Hill by 6pm.
>
> Kind regards,
> Justis
>
> _______________________________________________
> TriZPUG mailing list
> TriZPUG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug
> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group

From justis.peters at gmail.com  Thu Jan 26 21:48:15 2012
From: justis.peters at gmail.com (Justis Peters)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:48:15 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG reminder - meeting this Thursday
In-Reply-To: <CAOFbRm+k4THqnKVQPGzsn4XHtnBCjbh2a--dsQ7UFRb6=uA0zw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOFbRm+W7XOk4nxDSvTBC9ijSjZNvQfWm2KUFaRWoq+1VsPAnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F21B2C7.90105@gmail.com>
	<CAOFbRm+k4THqnKVQPGzsn4XHtnBCjbh2a--dsQ7UFRb6=uA0zw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F21BC0F.5030305@gmail.com>

On 01/26/2012 03:35 PM, Nathan Rice wrote:
> I understand the issue with the timing and the Raleigh to Chapel Hill
> commute.  I imagine we could create a half an hour grace window by
> turning the usual introductions into an improv sharing session.  Would
> that help?
Thanks, Nathan. That would help. I'm curious to learn more about 
symbolic programming in Python and will try to arrive by 18:30. Thanks 
in advance for the presentation!

Kind regards,
Justis

From dragonstrider at gmail.com  Thu Jan 26 23:02:06 2012
From: dragonstrider at gmail.com (Joseph S. Tate)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:02:06 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG reminder - meeting this Thursday
In-Reply-To: <4F21BC0F.5030305@gmail.com>
References: <CAOFbRm+W7XOk4nxDSvTBC9ijSjZNvQfWm2KUFaRWoq+1VsPAnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F21B2C7.90105@gmail.com>
	<CAOFbRm+k4THqnKVQPGzsn4XHtnBCjbh2a--dsQ7UFRb6=uA0zw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F21BC0F.5030305@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+WDQbH55XZAmjOj8sGCBvx1te0YYOr7Yu9SxC7ANqYYmGRktg@mail.gmail.com>

On the October meeting page it was mentioned that the doors to the building
lock at 7:00.  A 6:00 start time preempts the need to have someone watch
the door or be on call.

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Justis Peters <justis.peters at gmail.com>wrote:

> On 01/26/2012 03:35 PM, Nathan Rice wrote:
>
>> I understand the issue with the timing and the Raleigh to Chapel Hill
>> commute.  I imagine we could create a half an hour grace window by
>> turning the usual introductions into an improv sharing session.  Would
>> that help?
>>
> Thanks, Nathan. That would help. I'm curious to learn more about symbolic
> programming in Python and will try to arrive by 18:30. Thanks in advance
> for the presentation!
>
>
> Kind regards,
> Justis
> ______________________________**_________________
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>



-- 
Joseph Tate
Personal e-mail: jtate AT dragonstrider DOT com
Web: http://www.dragonstrider.com
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From tristan at caltech.edu  Thu Jan 26 23:06:11 2012
From: tristan at caltech.edu (Tristan)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:06:11 -0800
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG reminder - meeting this Thursday
In-Reply-To: <CAOFbRm+k4THqnKVQPGzsn4XHtnBCjbh2a--dsQ7UFRb6=uA0zw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOFbRm+W7XOk4nxDSvTBC9ijSjZNvQfWm2KUFaRWoq+1VsPAnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F21B2C7.90105@gmail.com>
	<CAOFbRm+k4THqnKVQPGzsn4XHtnBCjbh2a--dsQ7UFRb6=uA0zw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120126220610.GB15610@teckla.idyll.org>

I believe the building locks at 7pm, if I recall from last time.


Tristan

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 03:35:44PM -0500, Nathan Rice wrote:
> Chris asked me to be there a little bit before 6 to set up.  I was
> under the impression that our meetings were usually at 7, I'm not sure
> what the rational here is.
> 
> I understand the issue with the timing and the Raleigh to Chapel Hill
> commute.  I imagine we could create a half an hour grace window by
> turning the usual introductions into an improv sharing session.  Would
> that help?
> 
> Nathan
> 
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Justis Peters <justis.peters at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 01/24/2012 03:11 PM, Nathan Rice wrote:
> >>
> >> When: Thursday, January 26, 2012 at 6pm
> >
> > Is this really at 6pm instead of at 7pm? For those of us coming from
> > Raleigh, it's hard to get to Chapel Hill by 6pm.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Justis
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TriZPUG mailing list
> > TriZPUG at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug
> > http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group
> _______________________________________________
> TriZPUG mailing list
> TriZPUG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug
> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group

From jmack at wm7d.net  Fri Jan 27 00:43:06 2012
From: jmack at wm7d.net (Joseph Mack NA3T)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:43:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG reminder - meeting this Thursday
In-Reply-To: <BBFC8DD1-A006-4544-BDDE-33899439D7FA@gmail.com>
References: <CAOFbRm+W7XOk4nxDSvTBC9ijSjZNvQfWm2KUFaRWoq+1VsPAnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<BBFC8DD1-A006-4544-BDDE-33899439D7FA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1201261523460.28888@wm7d.net>

On Thu, 26 Jan 2012, Paul Godley wrote:

> What are my odds of finding a parking place on a game night?

0

I don't know UNC. I live in Durham and I can be at RedHat in 
45mins and I only go that far for special events.

It took 30 mins to get to Franklin/Moorehead Planetarium and 
another 45 min to the Patient Parking lot (which cost about 
$2 for a day time lecture in Dec), to find it closed. 
Instead I was directed to the game parking which I found was 
$10. I already had 1h 15min time sunk in getting to the 
meeting. The printed map wasn't going to be a lot of help in 
the dark with the small font (I'd seen Raleigh St, but 
couldn't find it on the map while I was sitting at a light). 
It was 6pm and I had no idea how to get to the meeting and 
estimated at best I'd be there by 6:30. It shouldn't be this 
hard to get to a lecture.

There needs to be someone at a meeting with a phone to steer 
in people who aren't familiar with the place, so in 
anticipation of problems like this, I'd asked Chris C for 
his ph#. It turns out the ph# is already on the ZPUP 
webpage. I called Chris C getting his message machine. I let 
him know why I wouldn't be at the meeting.

I can't read a map of an unfamiliar place in the car in the 
dark. Instructions like

o How to get to the parking lot (go to Franklin/Columbia..)

o How to get to the meeting spot from parking

would help

Are the Carboro places not available anymore? They were easy 
to get to and had parking.

Hope the meeting went well.

THanks Joe
-- 
Joseph Mack NA3T EME(B,D), FM05lw North Carolina
jmack (at) wm7d (dot) net - azimuthal equidistant map
generator at http://www.wm7d.net/azproj.shtml
Homepage http://www.austintek.com/ It's GNU/Linux!

From tobias at caktusgroup.com  Fri Jan 27 03:23:46 2012
From: tobias at caktusgroup.com (Tobias McNulty)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 21:23:46 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG reminder - meeting this Thursday
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1201261523460.28888@wm7d.net>
References: <CAOFbRm+W7XOk4nxDSvTBC9ijSjZNvQfWm2KUFaRWoq+1VsPAnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<BBFC8DD1-A006-4544-BDDE-33899439D7FA@gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.1201261523460.28888@wm7d.net>
Message-ID: <CAMGFDKTaAAOyPSme1JVaaPuQ1HCfP2FwY5DjJ3B9r_4ugQPyUQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Joseph Mack NA3T <jmack at wm7d.net> wrote:

> Are the Carboro places not available anymore? They were easy to get to and
> had parking.
>

We have a new, larger room on the ground floor we could probably use.  Not
sure how permanent it would be, but there is plenty of parking.

Tobias
-- 
Tobias McNulty, Managing Member
Caktus Consulting Group, LLC
http://www.caktusgroup.com
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From ncdave4life at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 06:15:32 2012
From: ncdave4life at gmail.com (David Burton)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 00:15:32 -0500
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On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Joseph Mack NA3T <jmack at wm7d.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Jan 2012, Paul Godley wrote:
>
>  What are my odds of finding a parking place on a game night?
>>
>
> 0
>
> I don't know UNC. I live in Durham and I can be at RedHat in 45mins and I
> only go that far for special events.
>
> It took 30 mins to get to Franklin/Moorehead Planetarium and another 45
> min to the Patient Parking lot (which cost about $2 for a day time lecture
> in Dec), to find it closed. Instead I was directed to the game parking
> which I found was $10. I already had 1h 15min time sunk in getting to the
> meeting. The printed map wasn't going to be a lot of help in the dark with
> the small font (I'd seen Raleigh St, but couldn't find it on the map while
> I was sitting at a light). It was 6pm and I had no idea how to get to the
> meeting and estimated at best I'd be there by 6:30. It shouldn't be this
> hard to get to a lecture.
>
> There needs to be someone at a meeting with a phone to steer in people who
> aren't familiar with the place, so in anticipation of problems like this,
> I'd asked Chris C for his ph#. It turns out the ph# is already on the ZPUP
> webpage. I called Chris C getting his message machine. I let him know why I
> wouldn't be at the meeting.
>
> I can't read a map of an unfamiliar place in the car in the dark.
> Instructions like
>
> o How to get to the parking lot (go to Franklin/Columbia..)
>
> o How to get to the meeting spot from parking
>
> would help
>
> Are the Carboro places not available anymore? They were easy to get to and
> had parking.
>
> Hope the meeting went well.
>


The meeting was interesting, but it sure was hard to get there!  Getting
around UNC on a basketball game night is extremely difficult.  My GPS
initially predicted that I'd be there 15 minutes early; instead, I got
there over 30 minutes late.  I spent nearly 40 minutes driving the length
of South Rd, which is less than one mile long.  Folks trickled in late for
most of the meeting.

Directions were hard, too.  I almost gave up finding the place.  Murray
Hall is not shown on some maps, including the big map-sign that I found on
campus.  Murray Hall is actually the west half of a building called
"Venable."  There's no sign for Murray Hall on the road, and *none* of the
buildings on campus seem to have house numbers, which makes street
addresses like "101 South Road" a lot less useful.  (Not completely
useless, however, because my GPS knew approximately where it was.)

I would not have found Murray Hall at all were it not for the kind
assistance of a sweet young thing named Chelsea, who happens to be taking a
class in that building.

I suggest adding the following to the "standard directions" for these
meetings:

On South Road, the sign to watch for is *Morehead Labs*, which is a big
building on the north side of South Rd, next to Kenan Labs, and just east
of S. Columbia St.  A few feet to the west of the sign that says Morehead
Labs is the entrance to a parking lot which is behind Morehead Labs.
 That's the best place to park; just don't use one of the "reserved" or
"handicapped" spaces.  The south side of the parking lot is the back side
of the Morehead Labs building, and at the east end of the parking lot is
Murray/Venable, which can be entered from the parking lot via a long,
descending ramp.

This Yahoo Maps
link<http://maps.yahoo.com/#q=21+South+Rd%2C+Chapel+Hill%2C+NC++27514-4117&conf=1&start=1&lat=35.9111333863541&lon=-79.04633045196533&zoom=17&mvt=m&trf=0>points
to the parking lot entrance; zoom in, and Murray/Venable is labeled
"Physical Science" on the Yahoo map.
Here's the Google Maps satellite
view<http://maps.google.com/maps?q=101+South+Road,+Chapel+Hill,+NC&hl=en&ll=35.910025,-79.050981&spn=0.003485,0.00574&sll=35.908693,-79.052079&hnear=101+S+Rd,+Chapel+Hill,+North+Carolina+27514&t=h&z=18>,
with the marker at the parking lot entrance, and Murray/Venable at the
right-end of the parking lot.

(I actually parked on the street, about 1/2 mi west of there, in a
residential neighborhood.)

I also wandered around inside a bit, and I'm still a bit fuzzy about where
in the building G201 is, but "G" stands for "Ground floor."

Dave



On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Joseph S. Tate <dragonstrider at gmail.com>
 wrote:

> On the October meeting page it was mentioned that the doors to the
> building lock at 7:00.  A 6:00 start time preempts the need to have someone
> watch the door or be on call.
>
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From jmack at wm7d.net  Fri Jan 27 12:19:39 2012
From: jmack at wm7d.net (Joseph Mack NA3T)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 03:19:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG reminder - meeting this Thursday
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2012, David Burton wrote:

> On South Road, the sign to watch for is *Morehead Labs*,

I sat next to this for quite some time, having no idea that 
it was where I was going.

> A few feet to the west of the sign that says Morehead Labs 
> is the entrance to a parking lot which is behind Morehead 
> Labs.

missed this

Joe

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From ncdave4life at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 12:55:23 2012
From: ncdave4life at gmail.com (David Burton)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 06:55:23 -0500
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The UNC classroom meeting place was very nice in many ways:  plenty of
room, nice desks, and a fantastic computer projection screen.  The
difficulty finding it (and getting there on a game night) was the worst
problem..  However, one other surprising (to me) disappointment about the
UNC meeting location was the lack of Internet access.

There were three visible wireless SSIDs, all with strong signals:
"UNC-Setup" -- open, but I couldn't do anything but ping the gateway
"UNC-1" -- need passphrase
"UNC-Secure" -- need passphrase

Reading on the UNC web site, it appears that they try very hard to limit
access to "members of the UNC community" (which doesn't include the NC
taxpayers who merely pay much of the bill).  Apparently, they go to the
remarkable trouble of keeping a campus-wide database of authorized MAC
addresses, and their DHCP servers are configured to access this database
and block access from unauthorized MAC addresses: http://help.unc.edu/4924

Even wired access is apparently blocked through this mechanism, which would
seem to rule out my 2nd thought, which was to just bring a wireless router
to the meetings and plug it in somewhere.

So, if we need Internet access for a presentation, is there a good solution
to this problem?  (Programming a router to spoof some MAC address in the
database doesn't seem like a "good" solution!)
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From ncdave4life at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 13:02:03 2012
From: ncdave4life at gmail.com (David Burton)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 07:02:03 -0500
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On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Joseph Mack NA3T <jmack at wm7d.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Jan 2012, David Burton wrote:
>
>  On South Road, the sign to watch for is Morehead Labs,
>>
>
> I sat next to this for quite some time, having no idea that it was where I
> was going.


So did I.



>  A few feet to the west of the sign that says Morehead Labs is the
>> entrance to a parking lot which is behind Morehead Labs.
>>
>
> missed this


Me too.

Next time I'll know.
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From jmack at wm7d.net  Fri Jan 27 13:49:20 2012
From: jmack at wm7d.net (Joseph Mack NA3T)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 04:49:20 -0800 (PST)
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2012, David Burton wrote:

> Reading on the UNC web site, it appears that they try very 
> hard to limit access to "members of the UNC community" 
> (which doesn't include the NC taxpayers who merely pay 
> much of the bill).

This is new (I think). I remember talking to Paul Jones 
(ibiblio) when wifi first became available and it became 
possible to wifi the whole campus. The administration was 
planning on making wifi access secure. At one of these 
meetings Paul had said with his wry laugh "you're going to 
keep a shared secret secret?".  I took from his reaction 
that the plan had been shelved. Looks like they found their 
way around the shared secret problem.

Joe
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From dragonstrider at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 17:51:54 2012
From: dragonstrider at gmail.com (Joseph S. Tate)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 11:51:54 -0500
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On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 12:15 AM, David Burton <ncdave4life at gmail.com>wrote:

>
> Directions were hard, too.  I almost gave up finding the place.  Murray
> Hall is not shown on some maps, including the big map-sign that I found on
> campus.  Murray Hall is actually the west half of a building called
> "Venable."  There's no sign for Murray Hall on the road, and *none* of
> the buildings on campus seem to have house numbers, which makes street
> addresses like "101 South Road" a lot less useful.  (Not completely
> useless, however, because my GPS knew approximately where it was.)
>

The PDF linked in the original message has the parking lot circled and the
Murray building labeled.  Stopping and asking for directions, is an
exercise left for the reader. :)
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From jmack at wm7d.net  Fri Jan 27 18:28:18 2012
From: jmack at wm7d.net (Joseph Mack NA3T)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:28:18 -0800 (PST)
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2012, Joseph Mack NA3T wrote:

Replying to the comment about finding the location with a 
map and helpful people on the street, being an exercise for 
the reader.

Not being able to read the map in the car last night, I 
asked a passer by for the nearest parking. I was on Raleigh 
and South, and as it turns out, not too far from Moorehead 
Labs and the parking there. I was sent down South St in the 
opposite direction, past the soccer fields, without finding 
any parking. It took 30mins to get back to the same spot.

It is just an exercise, but the convergeance time has to 
have a known upper bound.

Joe

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From tobias at caktusgroup.com  Fri Jan 27 19:43:42 2012
From: tobias at caktusgroup.com (Tobias McNulty)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 13:43:42 -0500
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On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Tobias McNulty <tobias at caktusgroup.com>wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Joseph Mack NA3T <jmack at wm7d.net> wrote:
>
>> Are the Carboro places not available anymore? They were easy to get to
>> and had parking.
>>
>
> We have a new, larger room on the ground floor we could probably use.  Not
> sure how permanent it would be, but there is plenty of parking.
>

I chatted with Colin today and we both agreed that, for the foreseeable
future, Caktus would be delighted to host TriZPUG whenever it's in Chapel
Hill / Carrboro.  Plenty of parking *and* guest wifi.

For those of you who may not have been here before, the office is located
at 209 Lloyd St in Carrboro.

For those of you who have been here before, we've got a larger conference
room on the ground floor now.

Let us know if this sounds appealing to anyone!

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From ableeb at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 20:08:41 2012
From: ableeb at gmail.com (Andrew Leeb)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 14:08:41 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG reminder - meeting this Thursday
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+1 (Despite my rather lackluster attendance record?)

-andy

On Jan 27, 2012, at 1:43 PM, Tobias McNulty wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Tobias McNulty <tobias at caktusgroup.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Joseph Mack NA3T <jmack at wm7d.net> wrote:
> Are the Carboro places not available anymore? They were easy to get to and had parking.
> 
> We have a new, larger room on the ground floor we could probably use.  Not sure how permanent it would be, but there is plenty of parking.
> 
> I chatted with Colin today and we both agreed that, for the foreseeable future, Caktus would be delighted to host TriZPUG whenever it's in Chapel Hill / Carrboro.  Plenty of parking *and* guest wifi.
> 
> For those of you who may not have been here before, the office is located at 209 Lloyd St in Carrboro.
> 
> For those of you who have been here before, we've got a larger conference room on the ground floor now.
> 
> Let us know if this sounds appealing to anyone!
> 
> Tobias
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> Caktus Consulting Group, LLC
> http://www.caktusgroup.com
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From: ogmaciel at gnome.org (Og Maciel)
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On 01/27/2012 02:08 PM, Andrew Leeb wrote:
> +1 (Despite my rather lackluster attendance record?)

Easily accessible parking would definitely improve my chances of
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From jmack at wm7d.net  Fri Jan 27 22:58:35 2012
From: jmack at wm7d.net (Joseph Mack NA3T)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 13:58:35 -0800 (PST)
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2012, Tobias McNulty wrote:

> Plenty of parking *and* guest wifi.

just a thought.

On my way home last night at 6:15pm, 15-501/Fordham (and 54 
and everything on my way home) was blocked solid in the 
direction going to UNC. Presumably this is a route people 
will be coming to Caktus.

If a future ZPUG meeting collides with a game, we should be 
told about it before hand. We must be able to do something - 
shift the meeting by a week, have it at NCSU that night, 
start the ZPUG meeting after the game..anything.

Joe

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generator at http://www.wm7d.net/azproj.shtml
Homepage http://www.austintek.com/ It's GNU/Linux!

From dragonstrider at gmail.com  Sun Jan 29 02:38:31 2012
From: dragonstrider at gmail.com (Joseph S. Tate)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:38:31 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG reminder - meeting this Thursday
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Actually, there's a route from I-40 and NC-86 that would bypass all the
game traffic.  We'll just have to make sure we call out that alternate
route in the event of a conflict.

On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Joseph Mack NA3T <jmack at wm7d.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Jan 2012, Tobias McNulty wrote:
>
>  Plenty of parking *and* guest wifi.
>>
>
> just a thought.
>
> On my way home last night at 6:15pm, 15-501/Fordham (and 54 and everything
> on my way home) was blocked solid in the direction going to UNC. Presumably
> this is a route people will be coming to Caktus.
>
> If a future ZPUG meeting collides with a game, we should be told about it
> before hand. We must be able to do something - shift the meeting by a week,
> have it at NCSU that night, start the ZPUG meeting after the game..anything.
>
>
> Joe
>
> --
> Joseph Mack NA3T EME(B,D), FM05lw North Carolina
> jmack (at) wm7d (dot) net - azimuthal equidistant map
> generator at http://www.wm7d.net/azproj.**shtml<http://www.wm7d.net/azproj.shtml>
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From lionface.lemonface at gmail.com  Sun Jan 29 15:08:25 2012
From: lionface.lemonface at gmail.com (lionface.lemonface at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:08:25 +0000
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG reminder - meeting this Thursday
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What route? I'm commuting that corridor these days

JJ
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

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From lionface.lemonface at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 13:53:08 2012
From: lionface.lemonface at gmail.com (lionface.lemonface at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:53:08 +0000
Subject: [TriZPUG] OT: Correction...
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After the meeting on Thursday in Chapel Hill, I was talking up 5 Guys for hamburgers. I must not have been in my right mind, because I forgot about Joe's Joint, my most favorite-est place in CH.

Open late, cheap, really tasty and consistent.

JJ 
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From lionface.lemonface at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 14:44:58 2012
From: lionface.lemonface at gmail.com (Josh Johnson)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 08:44:58 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] ANN: Node.js Vs Twisted
Message-ID: <CANtzOFR23=tXauw4wnJYgfKfMi6tL42kwv1Q1Nmc40Ca6TrUUg@mail.gmail.com>

I mentioned this at the meeting last week.

I've posted this on my blog:
http://lionfacelemonface.wordpress.com/2012/01/30/node-js-vs-twisted-a-scrum-tool-built-in-both-introductions-first-opnions/,
first in a series.

Project resources:
    Code:?https://github.com/jjmojojjmojo/Node.js-Vs-Twisted
    Docs:?http://jjmojojjmojo.github.com/Node.js-Vs-Twisted

Comments, questions, suggestions, etc always welcome.

Thanks,
JJ

From dragonstrider at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 17:32:38 2012
From: dragonstrider at gmail.com (Joseph S. Tate)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:32:38 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG reminder - meeting this Thursday
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Take i-40 to NC-86.  Turn left onto MLK/Airport.  Right turn at Estes Rd.
Estes drops you off at Greensboro St. in Carrboro.  A left on Greensboro
St. will take you back to Main St.  According to Google maps its about 3
miles further, but you wouldn't have to deal with any game traffic.

On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:08 AM, <lionface.lemonface at gmail.com> wrote:

> What route? I'm commuting that corridor these days
>
> JJ
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sender: trizpug-bounces+lionface.lemonface=gmail.com at python.org
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From cbc at unc.edu  Tue Jan 31 00:16:17 2012
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 18:16:17 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG reminder - meeting this Thursday
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On 1/27/2012 2:34 PM, Og Maciel wrote:
> On 01/27/2012 02:08 PM, Andrew Leeb wrote:
>> +1 (Despite my rather lackluster attendance record?)
>
> Easily accessible parking would definitely improve my chances of
> attending it for sure! +1=2

+1. I'm all for meeting within walking distance of Milltown 
after-meetings again.

Tobias, could we go back to 7pm meetings if we meet at Caktus? I think 
that would help a lot of folks, too.

Apologies for the TriZPUG/Tarheel game conflict. I might work at UNC. 
But I didn't go to school there and am not a Tarheel fan, thus I don't 
normally pay attention to game schedules. I have now learned to pay 
attention in the future, however.

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc
office: 3313 Venable Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599

From cbc at unc.edu  Tue Jan 31 20:25:32 2012
From: cbc at unc.edu (Chris Calloway)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:25:32 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG reminder - meeting this Thursday
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Anyone have a rough estimate of how many were in attendance at the 
meeting last week?

Also, big thanks to Nathan Rice for not only presenting but also 
stepping in to emcee in my untimely absence.

-- 
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc
office: 3313 Venable Hall   phone: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599

From jmack at wm7d.net  Tue Jan 31 20:51:42 2012
From: jmack at wm7d.net (Joseph Mack NA3T)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 11:51:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG reminder - meeting this Thursday
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On Tue, 31 Jan 2012, Chris Calloway wrote:

> Anyone have a rough estimate of how many were in attendance at the meeting 
> last week?

are there any notes/audio from the talk. I wouldn't mind 
know what there is for symbolic manipulation in python.

Thanks Joe

-- 
Joseph Mack NA3T EME(B,D), FM05lw North Carolina
jmack (at) wm7d (dot) net - azimuthal equidistant map
generator at http://www.wm7d.net/azproj.shtml
Homepage http://www.austintek.com/ It's GNU/Linux!

From lionface.lemonface at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 21:13:20 2012
From: lionface.lemonface at gmail.com (Josh Johnson)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:13:20 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG reminder - meeting this Thursday
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Roughly 15 people, I think. Very good turnout.

JJ

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Chris Calloway <cbc at unc.edu> wrote:
> Anyone have a rough estimate of how many were in attendance at the meeting
> last week?
>
> Also, big thanks to Nathan Rice for not only presenting but also stepping in
> to emcee in my untimely absence.
>
> --
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris Calloway http://nccoos.org/Members/cbc
> office: 3313 Venable Hall ? phone: (919) 599-3530
> mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599
> _______________________________________________
> TriZPUG mailing list
> TriZPUG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/trizpug
> http://trizpug.org is the Triangle Zope and Python Users Group

From nathan.alexander.rice at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 21:49:55 2012
From: nathan.alexander.rice at gmail.com (Nathan Rice)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:49:55 -0500
Subject: [TriZPUG] TriZPUG reminder - meeting this Thursday
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https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dhrnc3gb_2hpwd6mnn is the
outline for the presentation I gave.

The take home is that your ability to perform symbolic manipulation in
python is limited to "proxy" objects.  These proxy objects are
moderately well behaved but not fully transparent or complete; some
builtin functions and keywords break them.  Some examples of this
include the type callables (int, bool, etc), the "and" and "or"
keywords (because they bool() their input), isinstance, and some
others.  That being said

I will be releasing a PyPy object space to deal with the odd edge
cases fairly soon.  I am also going to write a generic proxy object
that simplifies the process somewhat, not sure exactly how long that
will take.

Also check out SymPy.

Nathan

On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Joseph Mack NA3T <jmack at wm7d.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jan 2012, Chris Calloway wrote:
>
>> Anyone have a rough estimate of how many were in attendance at the meeting
>> last week?
>
>
> are there any notes/audio from the talk. I wouldn't mind know what there is
> for symbolic manipulation in python.
>
> Thanks Joe