captering output of a cmd run using os.system.

Number of teams=20
4=20
6=20
8=20
10

Number of teams
4
6
8
10

Here is a quick and dirty solution. Not very Pythonesque, more a classical approach.
Take it as a challenge for Pythonistas to find a more *beautiful* one.
( http://www.lowerstandard.com/python/beautycontest.txt )

def roundrobin(n):
    # setup table
    global table
    table = [range(n)]
    for i in range(1,n):
        row = [i]
        while len(row)<n: row.append(0)
        table.append(row)
    # perform recursive brute search
    findround(1,2,n)
    # output in a dirty manner:
    for row in table: print row

def findround(row,col,dim):
    global table
    candidates = range(dim) # candidates for round to play the game
    # remove candidates already in the same row
    for i in range(col): candidates.remove(table[row][i])
    # remove candidates in rows already constructed
    for i in range(row):
        if table[i][col] in candidates: candidates.remove(table[i][col])
    for i in candidates:
        # try round nr. i
        table[row][col]=i
        table[col][row]=i
        if (row == dim-2) and (col == dim-1):
            # everything found
            return 1
        if col < dim - 1:
            if findround(row,col+1,dim):
                return 1
        elif row < dim - 2:
            if findround(row+1,row+2,dim):
                return 1
        # undo the try
        table[row][col]=0
        table[col][row]=0
    # no success
    return 0

roundrobin(10) --------------C754C59664FDB96DF7AC6849-- From dyoo@hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu Mon Jun 18 00:57:40 2001 From: dyoo@hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu (Danny Yoo) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 16:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tutor] Mac 1011 error after installation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 17 Jun 2001, Christopher Smith wrote: > I just tried to install the 2.1 Python on my Mac and have run into a > problem. After a succcessful installation, when I try to run the IDE it > quits with Mac error 1011 just after the splash screen goes away and the > editor window appears. Has anyone else encountered this or know what > might be wrong? Ouch! This sounds really specific to Macs; I don't have experience with them at all. If no one answers this soon, you might want to ask your question on the main comp.lang.python group. Another good place to ask is on the MacPython mailing list: http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig According to: http://www.peter.com.au/programming/mac-os-errors.html error 1011 matches up with the error: "Mixed mode failure". Dunno what that means, but perhaps it might be familiar to someone else. I hope someone can help you with this. Best of luck! From dyoo@hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu Mon Jun 18 00:58:10 2001 From: dyoo@hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu (Danny Yoo) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 16:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tutor] Option of passing sequences are arguments In-Reply-To: <000a01c0f5ee$83f44820$22c6a7cb@pf05nt.bayernz.co.nz> Message-ID: On Sat, 16 Jun 2001, Phil Bertram wrote: > Is it possible to unpack a sequence to fill arguments. I have been > playing around with *args type aruments but can't seem to get it to > work. Yes, this is possible. > I would like to define a class so that it can be called as follows > > m = MyObject(arg1,arg2,arg3) > > or > > args=(arg1,arg2,arg3) > x=MyObject(args) It sounds like you're looking for the apply() function: ### >>> def h(a, b): ... return (a**2 + b**2)**.5 ... >>> args = (3, 4) >>> apply(h, args) 5.0 ### apply() will take in a function and a tuple. Once it has those things, it will call h, and use the tuple as a source for the arguments. If you want more examples, or if you have questions about it, feel free to ask us! Good luck! From deirdre@deirdre.net Mon Jun 18 02:07:52 2001 From: deirdre@deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse Moen) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:07:52 -0700 Subject: [Tutor] Mac 1011 error after installation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 4:57 PM -0700 6/17/01, Danny Yoo wrote: >According to: > > http://www.peter.com.au/programming/mac-os-errors.html > >error 1011 matches up with the error: "Mixed mode failure". Dunno what >that means, but perhaps it might be familiar to someone else. > >I hope someone can help you with this. Best of luck! I know what it means, but it mystifies me. The Mixed Mode manager is a set of library routines to execute 68k code on a PowerPC. Why there would be any 68k code on the Python IDE is beyond me! -- _Deirdre Stash-o-Matic: http://weirdre.com http://deirdre.net "Cannot run out of time.... Is infinite time. You... are finite.... Zathrus... is finite. This... is wrong tool!" -- Zathrus From sburr@mac.com Mon Jun 18 06:44:20 2001 From: sburr@mac.com (Steven Burr) Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 22:44:20 -0700 Subject: [Tutor] Option of passing sequences are arguments In-Reply-To: <000a01c0f5ee$83f44820$22c6a7cb@pf05nt.bayernz.co.nz> Message-ID: <20010618054242.YSMA5596.femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost> On Friday, June 15, 2001, at 03:53 PM, Phil Bertram wrote: > Is it possible to unpack a sequence to fill arguments. > I have been playing around with *args type aruments but can't seem to > get it > to work. > > Eg > > I would like to define a class so that it can be called as follows > > m = MyObject(arg1,arg2,arg3) > > or > > args=(arg1,arg2,arg3) > x=MyObject(args) I think this may be the kind of thing you're looking for (the __str__ method is just for testing purposes): import types class MyObject: def __init__(self, *args): if len(args) == 1 and type(args[0]) != types.StringType: try: test = args[0][0] except TypeError: self.args = args else: self.args = args[0] else: self.args = args def __str__(self): return ' '.join([str(x) for x in self.args]) a = MyObject("It's", 'only', 'a', 'flesh', 'wound!') print a args = ("I've", 'had', 'worse.') b = MyObject(args) print b c = MyObject("You're a loony!") print c d = MyObject(1) print d RESULT: It's only a flesh wound! I've had worse. You're a loony! 1 From dyoo@hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu Mon Jun 18 08:50:12 2001 From: dyoo@hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu (Danny Yoo) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 00:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tutor] An IDLE introduction Message-ID: Hiya everyone, I'm starting to write up a small IDLE introduction for people who're just starting Python. As it is, it's really, really rough. I haven't finished writing in the comments, it still needs more image-captures, and all the writing needs to be rewritten for clarity. Still, I wanted to see if this sort of thing would be useful for people. Here's the web link (still disconnected from my main site): http://hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu/~dyoo/python/idle_intro/ Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! From glingl@aon.at Mon Jun 18 09:32:02 2001 From: glingl@aon.at (Gregor Lingl) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:32:02 +0200 Subject: [Tutor] A (not so) simple question? Round Robin References: <001601c0f6f1$9886dba0$05a616ca@computer1> <3B2D0CF6.5566EE8F@aon.at> Message-ID: <3B2DBC82.AFC9B4D2@aon.at> Yesterday I posted a solution to the 'round-robin'-problem asked for by Adam Gordon. This solution (shown below) delivers solutions to the "test-data" of the problem-setting (i. e. for up to 10 teams) immediately. However, for a solution for 12 teams it needs 4 secs (on my machine), and for 14 teams 2400 secs. Sort of exponential runtime-behaviour. Consequently arises the question not only for a more beautiful program, but also for a more efficient algorithm (for there are certainly competitions with more than 14 teams). Seems interesting to me (although it probably is a so called 'well known' problem.) Well known to somebody of you? With curiosity Gregor Lingl > Here is a quick and dirty solution. Not very Pythonesque, more a > classical approach. > Take it as a challenge for Pythonistas to find a more *beautiful* one. > > ( http://www.lowerstandard.com/python/beautycontest.txt ) > > def roundrobin(n): > # setup table > global table > table = [range(n)] > for i in range(1,n): > row = [i] > while len(row) table.append(row) > # perform recursive brute search > findround(1,2,n) > # output in a dirty manner: > for row in table: print row > > def findround(row,col,dim): > global table > candidates = range(dim) # candidates for round to play the game > # remove candidates already in the same row > for i in range(col): candidates.remove(table[row][i]) > # remove candidates in rows already constructed > for i in range(row): > if table[i][col] in candidates: > candidates.remove(table[i][col]) > for i in candidates: > # try round nr. i > table[row][col]=i > table[col][row]=i > if (row == dim-2) and (col == dim-1): > # everything found > return 1 > if col < dim - 1: > if findround(row,col+1,dim): > return 1 > elif row < dim - 2: > if findround(row+1,row+2,dim): > return 1 > # undo the try > table[row][col]=0 > table[col][row]=0 > # no success > return 0 > > # an now call for instance: > > roundrobin(10) From wheelege@tsn.cc Mon Jun 18 11:37:51 2001 From: wheelege@tsn.cc (Glen Wheeler) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 20:37:51 +1000 Subject: [Tutor] A (not so) simple question? Round Robin References: <001601c0f6f1$9886dba0$05a616ca@computer1> <3B2D0CF6.5566EE8F@aon.at> <3B2DBC82.AFC9B4D2@aon.at> Message-ID: <008b01c0f7e2$ba19daa0$0200a8c0@ACE> > > > Yesterday I posted a solution to the 'round-robin'-problem asked for > by Adam Gordon. > > This solution (shown below) delivers solutions to the "test-data" of the > > problem-setting (i. e. for up to 10 teams) immediately. > > However, for a solution for 12 teams it needs 4 secs (on my machine), > and for 14 teams 2400 secs. Sort of exponential runtime-behaviour. > > Consequently arises the question not only for a more beautiful program, > but also for a more efficient algorithm (for there are certainly > competitions with more than 14 teams). > > Seems interesting to me (although it probably is a so called 'well > known' > problem.) > > Well known to somebody of you? > Hmmm well with regards to the performance issue, I did notice quite a few 'in' keywords. And we all know what linear buggers they are :) This script could probably benefit exponentailly (ha ha) from using dictionaries as opposed to lists, then a simple has_key() call instead of 'in'. The beauty I can't really help you with - my python programs struggle to be elegant, let alone beautiful. Although I do know of several that I consider so...just not the ones I code :) It sure is an interesting problem. Perhaps a whole new unexpected approach would make it all alot easier? Brute force is usually just the tip of an iceberg. Glen. From wheelege@tsn.cc Mon Jun 18 11:55:41 2001 From: wheelege@tsn.cc (Glen Wheeler) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 20:55:41 +1000 Subject: [Tutor] A (not so) simple question? Round Robin References: <001601c0f6f1$9886dba0$05a616ca@computer1> <3B2D0CF6.5566EE8F@aon.at> <3B2DBC82.AFC9B4D2@aon.at> <008b01c0f7e2$ba19daa0$0200a8c0@ACE> Message-ID: <009b01c0f7e5$37b5b2c0$0200a8c0@ACE> > Hmmm well with regards to the performance issue, I did notice quite a few > 'in' keywords > <..snip..> Argh, that's what sleep deprivation will do to you. There is only one 'in' keyword being used the way I meant...still, it would increase speed to use a hash...but prbably not to the extent your looking for. Whoops again, Glen. From aschmidt@nv.cc.va.us Mon Jun 18 12:10:57 2001 From: aschmidt@nv.cc.va.us (Schmidt, Allen J.) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 07:10:57 -0400 Subject: [Tutor] An IDLE introduction Message-ID: <5CDFEBB60E7FD311B9E30000F6D6090688C0C9@novamail.nvcc.vccs.edu> Looks great so far! As a side note...I use a tool called ViewletBuilder2 from www.Qarbon.com to create step-by-step or interactive tutorials on various topics. Start a new VB2 project and it minimizes itself. Then just do whatever you normally do. Hit the PAUSE key anytime to capture a screenshot as often as you need. It tracks mouse movement, too. Then when finished, it jumps to the thumbnail view of all you captured. You can then go to each slide and add text balloons and callout bubbles to add your own information to the slide. Even records for voice annotation. This would certainly add clarity to for me on many Python topics. And completed Viewlets can be added for free to the library that anyone can view. Or serve them up for your own use or limited audience. The builder is Windows or *nix based but the Viewlets can be seen in any browser and live on almost any web server. Just thought I would offer a tip...Don't know enough about Python to be useful to the list yet. Allen -----Original Message----- From: Danny Yoo [mailto:dyoo@hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 3:50 AM To: tutor@python.org Subject: [Tutor] An IDLE introduction Hiya everyone, I'm starting to write up a small IDLE introduction for people who're just starting Python. As it is, it's really, really rough. I haven't finished writing in the comments, it still needs more image-captures, and all the writing needs to be rewritten for clarity. Still, I wanted to see if this sort of thing would be useful for people. Here's the web link (still disconnected from my main site): http://hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu/~dyoo/python/idle_intro/ Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor From scarblac@pino.selwerd.nl Mon Jun 18 12:22:31 2001 From: scarblac@pino.selwerd.nl (Remco Gerlich) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 13:22:31 +0200 Subject: [Tutor] A (not so) simple question? Round Robin In-Reply-To: <001601c0f6f1$9886dba0$05a616ca@computer1>; from adam0@tsn.cc on Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 03:51:41PM +1000 References: <001601c0f6f1$9886dba0$05a616ca@computer1> Message-ID: <20010618132231.A10765@pino.selwerd.nl> On 0, Adam Gordon wrote: > Hey Guys! > > I am just starting to learn python (after hearing my friend praise it like a religion :) and thought I'd try out a few classic problems to help the learning process. > So, I went to Useless Python to check out the challenges, and then went to the High School comp section. I went to the 2000 open competition and looked for some fun problems. One which caught my eye was a Round Robin problem - didn't look too hard or too easy. > But, for the life of me I cannot do it! I've spent quite some time mulling it over but still an elegant solution eludes me...here is a copy of the problem as found on the website (here http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~progcomp/pastComps/00prelim/prelim.phtml). > > > ##start task > Task 5 - Round Robin > Description > n teams are to play each other in a competition. In each round each team plays exactly one other team. We wish to have as few rounds as possible. > > Write a program which, given an even number n, produces a "draw table" showing which team plays which team in each round. It is to take the minimum possible number of rounds. If more than one such draw table is possible your program may return whichever you wish. In chess tournaments, there are standard tables called "Berger tables". A program that shows tables like this is at http://chess.cern.ch/tournaments/robin.en.shtml Unfortunately, without source, so we'll have to reverse engineer the algorithm from the tables :-). Looking at the table for, say, 10 people, we see some patterns: - Player 1 plays white against player 10 in the first round, then white vs player 2, black vs 3, white vs 4, alternating until black vs 9 in round 9. - Player 2 starts against 9. Then in the second round he's already paired with 1. After that it continues 10, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. - Player 3 starts against 8. Then 9, the next in the list. He's already paired with 1 and 2 for the next two rounds. Then the list continues, playing 10, 4, 5, 6, 7. The pattern is slightly different for the upper half of the numbers, and my time is up. It shouldn't be too hard to find the algorithm and write a short function. -- Remco Gerlich From qhe@ydyn.com Mon Jun 18 14:47:24 2001 From: qhe@ydyn.com (Peter He) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 08:47:24 -0500 Subject: [Tutor] Folder browser/chooser Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20010618084711.00ae5370@mail.ydyn.com.criticalpath.net> Hi all, Is there a widget which works as a folder broswer/chooser? Just like tkFileDialog for file browser/chooser? Thanks! Peter From rol9999@attglobal.net Mon Jun 18 16:14:28 2001 From: rol9999@attglobal.net (Roland Schlenker) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:14:28 -0500 Subject: [Tutor] A (not so) simple question? Round Robin References: <001601c0f6f1$9886dba0$05a616ca@computer1> Message-ID: <3B2E1AD4.B9D176BE@attglobal.net> > Adam Gordon wrote: > Description > > n teams are to play each other in a competition. In each round each > team plays exactly one other team. We wish to have as few rounds as > possible. > > Write a program which, given an even number n, produces a "draw table" > showing which team plays which team in each round. It is to take the > minimum possible number of rounds. If more than one such draw table is > possible your program may return whichever you wish. > > For example here is an 4 player draw table > > A B C D > A 1 2 3 > B 1 3 2 > C 2 3 1 > D 3 2 1 > Using the method suggested at: http://www.rain.org/~mkummel/stumpers/09feb01a.html I came up with: def outerZip(aList): assert 0 == len(aList) % 2 half = len(aList) / 2 listA, listB = aList[:half], aList[half:] listB.reverse() return zip(listA, listB) assert [(1, 6), (2, 5), (3, 4)] == outerZip([1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]) class RoundRobin: def __init__(self, teams): self.teams = teams self.rounds = [] def makeRounds(self): numberOfRounds = len(self.teams) - 1 pivotTeam, teams = self.teams[0], self.teams[1:] self.rounds = [] while 1: if numberOfRounds == 0: break playsPivotTeam, teams = teams[0], teams[1:] round = [(pivotTeam, playsPivotTeam)] + outerZip(teams) self.rounds.append(round) teams = teams + [playsPivotTeam] numberOfRounds -= 1 def playsWhoWhen(self, teamA, teamB): if teamA == teamB: return '' for round in self.rounds: for game in round: if teamA in game and teamB in game: return self.rounds.index(round) + 1 def roundsToString(self): result = [] result.append(" ") for team in self.teams: result.append(" " + team) result.append('\n') for team in self.teams: result.append(team) for opposingTeam in self.teams: result.append(" %1s" % self.playsWhoWhen(team, opposingTeam)) result.append('\n') return ''.join(result) aRound = RoundRobin(['A', 'B', 'C', 'D', 'E', 'F']) aRound.makeRounds() assert [[('A', 'B'), ('C', 'F'), ('D', 'E')], [('A', 'C'), ('D', 'B'), ('E', 'F')], [('A', 'D'), ('E', 'C'), ('F', 'B')], [('A', 'E'), ('F', 'D'), ('B', 'C')], [('A', 'F'), ('B', 'E'), ('C', 'D')]] == aRound.rounds assert 1 == aRound.playsWhoWhen('C', 'F') assert 5 == aRound.playsWhoWhen('A', 'F') assert " A B C D E F\n" +\ "A 1 2 3 4 5\n" +\ "B 1 4 2 5 3\n" +\ "C 2 4 5 3 1\n" +\ "D 3 2 5 1 4\n" +\ "E 4 5 3 1 2\n" +\ "F 5 3 1 4 2 \n" == aRound.roundsToString() Roland Schlenker From pobrien@orbtech.com Mon Jun 18 15:24:31 2001 From: pobrien@orbtech.com (Patrick K. O'Brien) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:24:31 -0500 Subject: [Tutor] An IDLE introduction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Nice. I find having screenshots is a real comfort when you are starting out - one picture worth a thousand words and all that. Keep going. I think this is a very useful thing to have in the tutor arsenal. --- Patrick K. O'Brien Orbtech "I am, therefore I think." -----Original Message----- From: tutor-admin@python.org [mailto:tutor-admin@python.org]On Behalf Of Danny Yoo Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 2:50 AM To: tutor@python.org Subject: [Tutor] An IDLE introduction Hiya everyone, I'm starting to write up a small IDLE introduction for people who're just starting Python. As it is, it's really, really rough. I haven't finished writing in the comments, it still needs more image-captures, and all the writing needs to be rewritten for clarity. Still, I wanted to see if this sort of thing would be useful for people. Here's the web link (still disconnected from my main site): http://hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu/~dyoo/python/idle_intro/ Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! _______________________________________________ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor From chetumal23@excite.com Mon Jun 18 16:18:54 2001 From: chetumal23@excite.com (john smith smith) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 08:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tutor] just saying thanks Message-ID: <15776461.992877534990.JavaMail.imail@cheeks.excite.com> i would just like to say you guys are the best, being a newbie to programming, i wasn't really getting it at first but you guys always offered great suggestions and encouragement. i'm far from the level you guys are but, i'm getting there. So once again THANKS! _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ From vlindberg@verio.net Mon Jun 18 16:37:35 2001 From: vlindberg@verio.net (VanL) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:37:35 -0600 Subject: [Tutor] Python-to-to native compilation via java? Message-ID: <3B2E203F.1080600@verio.net> Hello, I was reading about the new gcc 3.0 release, and something that caught my eye: """ The GNU Compiler for the Java Programming Language What is GCJ? GCJ is a portable, optimizing, ahead-of-time compiler for the Java Programming Language. It can compile: * Java source code directly to native machine code, * Java source code to Java bytecode (class files), * and Java bytecode to native machine code. Compiled applications are linked with the GCJ runtime, libgcj, which provides the core class libraries, a garbage collector, and a bytecode interpreter. libgcj can dynamically load and interpret class files, resulting in mixed compiled/interpreted applications. """ Would code get any significant speedup by going jython -> .class files -> native? Thanks, Van From dyoo@hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu Mon Jun 18 17:50:21 2001 From: dyoo@hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu (Danny Yoo) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tutor] Python-to-to native compilation via java? In-Reply-To: <3B2E203F.1080600@verio.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, VanL wrote: > I was reading about the new gcc 3.0 release, and something that caught > my eye: Did the new gcc come out today? Very cool! (For those who might be unfamiliar with "gcc": gcc is a collection of compilers for many programming languages, including C and Java. Python is built on top of C, and it's really neat to see how our favorite language is built on top of this "simpler" environment.) > Compiled applications are linked with the GCJ runtime, libgcj, which > provides the core class libraries, a garbage collector, and a bytecode > interpreter. libgcj can dynamically load and interpret class files, > resulting in mixed compiled/interpreted applications. """ > > Would code get any significant speedup by going jython -> .class > files -> native? Hmmm... I don't know! The Jython people might know; can you ask them about it? I'm also interested in hearing if Jython compiles well in gcj. 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------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C0F7F5.8BA0E700-- From nailed@videotron.ca Mon Jun 18 18:25:44 2001 From: nailed@videotron.ca (Alain Toussaint) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 13:25:44 -0400 Subject: [Tutor] Python-to-to native compilation via java? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01061813254400.02485@alain> Hello Everyone, > Did the new gcc come out today? Very cool! yes it did,have a look at http://gcc.gnu.org/ i will probably download it in the next few days but i will be able to throughly test it after Samba 2.2.1 is out (at that time,i will rebuild my box). Alain Toussaint From kalle@gnupung.net Mon Jun 18 18:56:38 2001 From: kalle@gnupung.net (Kalle Svensson) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 19:56:38 +0200 Subject: [Tutor] help for a beginner In-Reply-To: ; from jrfrog01@msn.com on Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:52:34PM -0400 References: Message-ID: <20010618195638.A12799@gandalf> Sez jay aliason: > I am currently trying to learn the language that is Python. The problem > is the last language I ever programmed was BASIC. So I need to know what > tools I need to get started I.E. -Start up platform > > -which version to use Generally, the latest official version is a good bet. Currently, this is 2.1, and it can be downloaded from http://www.python.org/2.1/ I've heard people say that ActiveState Python is good for Windows users. I don't know, but more info can be found on http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Downloads/ActivePython/ > -how to get the screen to let me type the language You can use a editor/environment that comes with Python. This can be IDLE, which is included in the stadard Python distribution, or Pythonwin, which is included with ActiveState Python. In any of these tools, you have interactive interpreter windows for testing. You can also edit python module files that you can save, distribute and run. These can be edited in any text editor, but IDLE and Pythonwin have syntax highlighting and indentation support that make writing Python easier. A good tutorial is http://www.crosswinds.net/~agauld/ Peace, Kalle -- Email: kalle@gnupung.net | You can tune a filesystem, but you Web: http://www.gnupung.net/ | can't tune a fish. -- man tunefs(8) PGP fingerprint: 0C56 B171 8159 327F 1824 F5DE 74D7 80D7 BF3B B1DD [ Not signed due to lossage. Blame Microsoft Outlook Express. ] From dyoo@hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu Mon Jun 18 18:59:41 2001 From: dyoo@hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu (Danny Yoo) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 10:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tutor] help for a beginner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, jay aliason wrote: > I am currently trying to learn the language that is Python. The > problem is the last language I ever programmed was BASIC. So I need That's not too much of a problem. In fact, it's great that you have some experience in BASIC, since the idea of an "interpreter" might seem familiar to you. Python has the "print" command too, so there's some similarities you can take advantage of... *grin* > to know what tools I need to get started I.E. -Start up platform > -which version to use -how to get the screen to let me type the > language Python 2.1 is the latest version, and that's probably what you'll want to get. Since you're running Win ME, you can just download the .exe file for Python: in an ideal world, it works uniformly on Windows 95/98/2000/ME/NT. > I am using a compaq 1700T laptop. It is a pentium III and runs at > 800mhz. With windows Me. Any help would be useful. Thanks for your > time and patience, This sounds good. You'll want to download the Python interpreter, and it can be found here: http://python.org/2.1/#locations All you'll probably need to download is the is the Python-2.1.exe file. It's a 6 MB download, which isn't too bad. It comes with all the tools you'll need to get started: o Python itself --- the "interpreter" that forms the heart of the system. o IDLE --- the Integrated Development Environment that's both a text editor and a nice way to play around with Python. (At the moment, I'm trying to write a small "First Day" guide on IDLE. Give me another day or so, and I'll be able to post it up.) You don't need to buy a book to learn Python (although there are a lot of good ones out there). You can browse through a few introductions and tutorials here: http://python.org/doc/Intros.html Alan Gauld's "Learning to Program": http://www.crosswinds.net/~agauld/ as well as Josh Cogliati's "A Non-Programmer's Tutorial for Python": http://www.honors.montana.edu/~jjc/easytut/easytut/ are both good tutorials, and start from the basics. Finally, you have us: Ask us any questions you have about Python, and we'll be happy to talk about them. Best of wishes! From nluken@earthlink.net Mon Jun 18 19:45:52 2001 From: nluken@earthlink.net (Noah Luken) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 14:45:52 -0400 Subject: [Tutor] a question about making standalone .exes from python Message-ID: <05ad01c0f826$e785b880$4d6d1a26@noah2lxehj3pbz> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_05AA_01C0F805.5F20E490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone,=20 (Let me preface this question -- I am a student of architecture = interested in using python for basic graphic design, algorithms, etc. = I have, in the process, been forced to learn some Tkinter, some (quite a = bit) of OpenGL, as well as the usual complement of useful python = modules. (PIL, Numeric, pyglut, etc.). I'm a newbie at ALL of them = (sigh).) I'm trying to make a standalone .exe of a python script which invokes = and draws in an openGL window. The imports are thus: from OpenGL.GL import * from OpenGL.GLUT import * from OpenGL.GLU import * import whrandom import time I poked around on the internet and tried Installer by Gordon MacMillan, = since it seemed most up to date. After installing and running = SetupTk.py once, I tried his standalone.py on my script = (interaction02.py) and got this result: > c:\python21\python.exe c:\python21\installer\Builder.py interaction W: exec statment detected at line 281 of imputil W: No module named dos W: No module named mac W: No module named nt.stat W: No module named os2 W: No module named posix W: Cannot determine your Windows or System directories W: Please add them to your PATH if .dlls are not found W: exec statment detected at line 65 of os W: exec statment detected at line 138 of os W: eval hack detected at line 405 of os W: No module named ce W: No module named strop.lowercase W: No module named strop.maketrans W: No module named strop.uppercase W: No module named strop.whitespace W: No module named win32api W: No module named pwd W: No module named riscos W: No module named riscosenviron W: No module named riscospath W: No module named MACFS W: No module named macfs W: No module named errno.EINVAL W: eval hack detected at line 634 of pickle W: __import__ hack detected at line 786 of pickle W: No module named OpenGL.dynload._opengl W: No module named OpenGL.dynload._opengl_num W: No module named OpenGL.dynload.openglutil W: No module named OpenGL.dynload.openglutil_num W: No module named OpenGL.dynload.wgl W: No module named OpenGL.GL.CarefulFunction W: No module named OpenGL.GL.Error W: No module named OpenGL.dynload._glu W: No module named OpenGL.dynload._glu_num W: No module named OpenGL.dynload._glut Needless to say, this program didn't work on a machine with opengl card, = drivers, etc. (problem with .dynload modules) I'm curious if there's a = way to get standalone .exe programs to work with python, and I'm also = wondering if I shouldn't just bite the bullet and program this in C or = C++ (which would involve learning one of the bad old languages I thought = I could avoid). Is there a way to go from python to c to an .exe? Is = python the right language for this or am I barking up the wrong tree = here? thanks in advance for any help you can offer. -noah luken nluken@mit.edu=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_05AA_01C0F805.5F20E490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi everyone,

(Let me preface this question -- I am a = student of=20 architecture interested in using python for basic graphic design, = algorithms,=20 etc. I have, in the process, been forced to learn some = Tkinter,=20 some (quite a bit) of OpenGL, as well as the usual complement of = useful=20 python modules. (PIL, Numeric, pyglut, etc.). I'm a newbie at ALL = of them=20 (sigh).)

I'm trying to make a standalone .exe of = a=20 python script which invokes and draws in an=20 openGL window. The imports are thus:

from OpenGL.GL import *
from = OpenGL.GLUT import=20 *
from OpenGL.GLU import *
import whrandom
import = time

I poked around on the internet and = tried Installer=20 by Gordon MacMillan, since it seemed most up to date. After = installing and=20 running SetupTk.py once, I tried his standalone.py on my script=20 (interaction02.py) and got this result:

> c:\python21\python.exe=20 c:\python21\installer\Builder.py interaction
W: exec statment = detected=20 at line 281 of imputil
W: No module named dos
W: No module named = mac
W:=20 No module named nt.stat
W: No module named os2
W: No module named=20 posix
W: Cannot determine your Windows or System directories
W: = Please add=20 them to your PATH if .dlls are not found
W: exec statment detected at = line 65=20 of os
W: exec statment detected at line 138 of os
W: eval hack = detected at=20 line 405 of os
W: No module named ce
W: No module named=20 strop.lowercase
W: No module named strop.maketrans
W: No module = named=20 strop.uppercase
W: No module named strop.whitespace
W: No module = named=20 win32api
W: No module named pwd
W: No module named riscos
W: No = module=20 named riscosenviron
W: No module named riscospath
W: No module = named=20 MACFS
W: No module named macfs
W: No module named = errno.EINVAL
W: eval=20 hack detected at line 634 of pickle
W: __import__ hack detected at = line 786=20 of pickle
W: No module named OpenGL.dynload._opengl
W: No module = named=20 OpenGL.dynload._opengl_num
W: No module named = OpenGL.dynload.openglutil
W:=20 No module named OpenGL.dynload.openglutil_num
W: No module named=20 OpenGL.dynload.wgl
W: No module named OpenGL.GL.CarefulFunction
W: = No=20 module named OpenGL.GL.Error
W: No module named = OpenGL.dynload._glu
W: No=20 module named OpenGL.dynload._glu_num
W: No module named=20 OpenGL.dynload._glut

Needless to say, this program didn't = work on a=20 machine with opengl card, drivers, etc. (problem with .dynload modules) = I'm=20 curious if there's a way to get standalone .exe programs to = work with=20 python, and I'm also wondering if I shouldn't just bite the bullet and = program=20 this in C or C++ (which would involve learning one of the bad old = languages I=20 thought I could avoid). Is there a way to go from python = to=20 c to an .exe? Is python the right language for this or am I = barking=20 up the wrong tree here?

thanks in advance for any help you can=20 offer.

-noah luken

nluken@mit.edu=20

------=_NextPart_000_05AA_01C0F805.5F20E490-- From wesc@deirdre.org Mon Jun 18 20:02:53 2001 From: wesc@deirdre.org (Wesley Chun) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tutor] Taking Mark Lutz's training course In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Daniel Yoo wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 kromag@nsacom.net wrote: > > Daniel Yoo said: > > > > And now for something completely different: > > > > Have you taken, or talked to anyone who has taken Mark Lutz' Python > > classes? It sounds like a good three days, but the money gods have > > frowned upon me this year. I _really_ get a lot of mileage out of > > "Learning Python", so I am inclined toward spending my dough with him. > > No, I haven't taken one of his classes. Has anyone here taken one? What > are they like? I don't know anyone who has either, but he *is* rather busy doing it! In fact, he told me a few days ago that he would have to start passing business to *me* if July has the same torrid training pace as June! :-) > > I have yet to find a college in the midwest that even teaches Python. > > *sigh* > > I actually tried to do a small "Introduction to Python" session in > Berkeley once. What a disaster! The problem was that the language was so > obvious, so simple, that I didn't need to say anything... *grin* I teach the Python course for the University of California, Santa Cruz extension system -- rather than teaching for students on-campus, these are once-a-week evening courses for working professionals. I believe UC Berkeley is offering a similar course. Teaching the actual language, as Daniel pointed out, is rather straightforward. The rest of the time, I'm overworking them with exercises, then doing more advanced topics (i.e., network- ing, regular expressions, GUIs and Tkinter, web programming, etc.) towards the end of the 8-week course. By the time they're done, not only do they know Python, but are good programmers as well! ;-) -wesley - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall PTR, December 2000 http://starship.python.net/crew/wesc/cpp/ wesley.j.chun :: wesc@baypiggies.org cyberweb.consulting :: silicon.valley, ca http://www.roadkill.com/~wesc/cyberweb/ From scastell@sas.upenn.edu Mon Jun 18 22:41:27 2001 From: scastell@sas.upenn.edu (Steven M. Castellotti) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:41:27 -0500 Subject: [Tutor] Re: [Jython-users] Python to native compilation via java? References: <3B2E6291.8000907@lindbergs.org> Message-ID: <3B2E7587.AA221ECC@sas.upenn.edu> A very good question! However, don't forget that if the software you're writing is GPL'd, there might be a restriction on compiling it together with jython, due to a conflict between the GPL and jython's license. VanL wrote: > > Hello, > > (Cross-posted by request from the python-tutor mailing list) > > I was reading about the new gcc 3.0 release, and something that caught > my eye: > > """ > The GNU Compiler for the Java Programming Language > What is GCJ? > > GCJ is a portable, optimizing, ahead-of-time compiler for the Java > Programming Language. It can compile: > > * Java source code directly to native machine code, > * Java source code to Java bytecode (class files), > * and Java bytecode to native machine code. > > Compiled applications are linked with the GCJ runtime, libgcj, which > provides the core class libraries, a garbage collector, and a bytecode > interpreter. libgcj can dynamically load and interpret class files, > resulting in mixed compiled/interpreted applications. > """ > > Would code get any significant speedup by going jython -> .class files > -> native? Is it possible? And does jython compile under gcj? > > Thanks, > > Van -- Steve Castellotti Systems Programmer School of Arts and Sciences, University of Pennsylvania From GBunting864@Worldsavings.com Mon Jun 18 22:14:06 2001 From: GBunting864@Worldsavings.com (Bunting, Glen, IG (x)) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:14:06 -0500 Subject: [Tutor] Taking Mark Lutz's training course Message-ID: <97E9FA3149D0D311BE5800008349BB270172BEC0@ok1ems1.worldsavings.com> Where could I find information about the UCSC extension class? I have looked on their web site but I could not find anything on python. Thanks Glen -----Original Message----- From: Wesley Chun [mailto:wesc@deirdre.org] Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 12:03 PM To: Daniel Yoo Cc: kromag@nsacom.net; tutor@python.org Subject: Re: [Tutor] Taking Mark Lutz's training course On Thu, 14 Jun 2001, Daniel Yoo wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 kromag@nsacom.net wrote: > > Daniel Yoo said: > > > > And now for something completely different: > > > > Have you taken, or talked to anyone who has taken Mark Lutz' Python > > classes? It sounds like a good three days, but the money gods have > > frowned upon me this year. I _really_ get a lot of mileage out of > > "Learning Python", so I am inclined toward spending my dough with him. > > No, I haven't taken one of his classes. Has anyone here taken one? What > are they like? I don't know anyone who has either, but he *is* rather busy doing it! In fact, he told me a few days ago that he would have to start passing business to *me* if July has the same torrid training pace as June! :-) > > I have yet to find a college in the midwest that even teaches Python. > > *sigh* > > I actually tried to do a small "Introduction to Python" session in > Berkeley once. What a disaster! The problem was that the language was so > obvious, so simple, that I didn't need to say anything... *grin* I teach the Python course for the University of California, Santa Cruz extension system -- rather than teaching for students on-campus, these are once-a-week evening courses for working professionals. I believe UC Berkeley is offering a similar course. Teaching the actual language, as Daniel pointed out, is rather straightforward. The rest of the time, I'm overworking them with exercises, then doing more advanced topics (i.e., network- ing, regular expressions, GUIs and Tkinter, web programming, etc.) towards the end of the 8-week course. By the time they're done, not only do they know Python, but are good programmers as well! ;-) -wesley - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall PTR, December 2000 http://starship.python.net/crew/wesc/cpp/ wesley.j.chun :: wesc@baypiggies.org cyberweb.consulting :: silicon.valley, ca http://www.roadkill.com/~wesc/cyberweb/ _______________________________________________ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor ***************************************************************************** If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated. ***************************************************************************** From glingl@aon.at Mon Jun 18 22:21:14 2001 From: glingl@aon.at (Gregor Lingl) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:21:14 +0200 Subject: [Tutor] A (not so) simple question? Round Robin References: <001601c0f6f1$9886dba0$05a616ca@computer1> <3B2D0CF6.5566EE8F@aon.at> <3B2DBC82.AFC9B4D2@aon.at> <008b01c0f7e2$ba19daa0$0200a8c0@ACE> <009b01c0f7e5$37b5b2c0$0200a8c0@ACE> Message-ID: <3B2E70CA.64EEE1E7@aon.at> Glen Wheeler schrieb: > > Hmmm well with regards to the performance issue, I did notice quite a > few > > 'in' keywords > > <..snip..> > > Argh, that's what sleep deprivation will do to you. There is only one > 'in' keyword being used the way I meant...still, it would increase speed to > use a hash...but prbably not to the extent your looking for. > Whoops again, > > Glen. So I had to search for a faster method and the internet once more proved its richness: google ( round robin tournament program ) led me to http://www.rain.org/~mkummel/stumpers/09feb01a.html where a description of an ingenious geometrically motivated algorithm is given. Here is the corresponding Python-program: def roundrobin(n): """implements a geometrically motivated algorithm to construct a table for a round-robin-tournament. The algorithm is called 'polygon method' and described at http://www.rain.org/~mkummel/stumpers/09feb01a.html """ # construct table filled with zeros row = [] while len(row) References: <97E9FA3149D0D311BE5800008349BB270172BEC0@ok1ems1.worldsavings.com> Message-ID: At 4:14 PM -0500 6/18/01, Bunting, Glen, IG (x) wrote: >Where could I find information about the UCSC extension class? I have >looked on their web site but I could not find anything on python. Wes hasn't been teaching at UCSC for the last semester. If you're desperate (gah, I can't spell today!) for something in the near future, Berkeley is offering one in its extension program for the first time in Summer. Otherwise, I'd wait for Wes' next. :) -- _Deirdre Stash-o-Matic: http://weirdre.com http://deirdre.net "Cannot run out of time.... Is infinite time. You... are finite.... Zathrus... is finite. This... is wrong tool!" -- Zathrus From danny.ayers@btinternet.com Mon Jun 18 23:45:06 2001 From: danny.ayers@btinternet.com (Danny Ayers) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:45:06 +0100 Subject: [Tutor] RE: [Jython-users] Python to native compilation via java? In-Reply-To: <3B2E6291.8000907@lindbergs.org> Message-ID: I've just been looking at some of the intermediate Java code generated by jythonc on its way to a .class. I may be wrong, but it looks to me like the class is will effectively wrap up the python source, which will be interpreted by the interpreter embedded in jpython. To compile this up to native code, unless the compiler is *really* smart it would carry over all the inefficiencies of the interpretation process, and so I would guess that the performance improvements overall are likely to be minimal or non-existent, compared to running the Python source on a native interpreter. I guess. BTW, I've just been trying to find a good way of porting Python source over to Java, and made a small step forward using the Object Domain UML tool (time limited demo) - it can generate the Java classes and method shells (from UML generated from Python), which with a bit of search & replace (get rid of 'self'!) should save a fair bit of hand coding. --- Danny Ayers http://www.isacat.net >-----Original Message----- >From: jython-users-admin@lists.sourceforge.net >[mailto:jython-users-admin@lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of VanL >Sent: 18 June 2001 21:21 >To: jython-users@lists.sourceforge.net >Subject: [Jython-users] Python to native compilation via java? > > >Hello, > >(Cross-posted by request from the python-tutor mailing list) > >I was reading about the new gcc 3.0 release, and something that caught >my eye: > >""" >The GNU Compiler for the Java Programming Language >What is GCJ? > >GCJ is a portable, optimizing, ahead-of-time compiler for the Java >Programming Language. It can compile: > > * Java source code directly to native machine code, > * Java source code to Java bytecode (class files), > * and Java bytecode to native machine code. > >Compiled applications are linked with the GCJ runtime, libgcj, which >provides the core class libraries, a garbage collector, and a bytecode >interpreter. libgcj can dynamically load and interpret class files, >resulting in mixed compiled/interpreted applications. >""" > >Would code get any significant speedup by going jython -> .class files >-> native? Is it possible? And does jython compile under gcj? > >Thanks, > >Van > > > >_______________________________________________ >Jython-users mailing list >Jython-users@lists.sourceforge.net >http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jython-users From dyoo@hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu Tue Jun 19 00:36:25 2001 From: dyoo@hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu (Danny Yoo) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:36:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tutor] Re: [Python-Help] folder browser/chooser In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010618141443.00af6eb8@mail.ydyn.com.criticalpath.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Peter He wrote: > Is there a widget which works as a folder browser/chooser? Just like > tkFileDialog for file browser/chooser. Hmmm... I'm not quite sure about this one. Wait, wait, I know I've seen this question before though. Let's see... Ah! Ok, you'll want to take a look at Rick Pasotto's answer: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/tutor/2001-May/005270.html There is a FileDialog widget that's just not documented well, but it is there. Thanks Rick! From wesc@deirdre.org Tue Jun 19 00:36:52 2001 From: wesc@deirdre.org (Wesley Chun) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 16:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tutor] Taking Mark Lutz's training course In-Reply-To: <97E9FA3149D0D311BE5800008349BB270172BEC0@ok1ems1.worldsavings.com> Message-ID: glen, i apologize for neglecting to mention that due to personal reasons, i have not been able to teach the Python course for UCSC during this year. the next class is tentatively set for Winter quarter 2002. i am available for corporate training however if you company wants to train a bunch of people, i'll come out there. Mark Lutz does mething similar although most of his courses are taught near where *he* lives. hope this helps! -wesley On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Bunting, Glen, IG (x) wrote: > Where could I find information about the UCSC extension class? I have > looked on their web site but I could not find anything on python. > > Thanks > > Glen > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > "Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall PTR, December 2000 > http://starship.python.net/crew/wesc/cpp/ > > wesley.j.chun :: wesc@baypiggies.org > cyberweb.consulting :: silicon.valley, ca > http://www.roadkill.com/~wesc/cyberweb/ From michael@exasource.com Tue Jun 19 03:14:37 2001 From: michael@exasource.com (Michael) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 20:14:37 -0600 Subject: [Tutor] Python and web scripting Message-ID: <01061820143700.02862@orion.andromeda> Hi, I'm new to Python and new to programming. I've done html and a few javascripts and was wanting to learn a real programming language. After reading up on all the possibilities, I decided to learn Python as my first. My question is, how is Python used in a web development application. Can it be used in the same manner, but instead of PHP? Are there any tutorials / books that cover this aspect? Thanks, Michael PS I liked the IDLE tutorial, I've already learned some things from that even though it is not finished. From dyoo@hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu Tue Jun 19 07:19:53 2001 From: dyoo@hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu (Danny Yoo) Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:19:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tutor] a question about making standalone .exes from python In-Reply-To: <05ad01c0f826$e785b880$4d6d1a26@noah2lxehj3pbz> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Noah Luken wrote: > I poked around on the internet and tried Installer by Gordon > MacMillan, since it seemed most up to date. After installing and > running SetupTk.py once, I tried his standalone.py on my script > (interaction02.py) and got this result: Have you tried py2exe? I believe it too is being actively developed; from what I've heard, it's very good and easier to work with than McMillian's Installer. You can find out about py2exe here: http://starship.python.net/crew/theller/py2exe/ Good luck! From jstanley@start.com.au Tue Jun 19 10:28:22 2001 From: jstanley@start.com.au (Jordan Stanley) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:28:22 +1000 Subject: [Tutor] Re: An IDLE Introduction Message-ID: i thinks its great so far just a suggestion, how about introducing varibales eg a=3 s=3*a etc i'll certainly be coming back to see how the site is going Jordan RE: An IDLE introduction (Patrick K. O'Brien) > >-----Original Message----- >From: tutor-admin@python.org [mailto:tutor-admin@python.org]On Behalf Of >Danny Yoo >Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 2:50 AM >To: tutor@python.org >Subject: [Tutor] An IDLE introduction > >Hiya everyone, > >I'm starting to write up a small IDLE introduction for people who're just >starting Python. As it is, it's really, really rough. I haven't finished >writing in the comments, it still needs more image-captures, and all the >writing needs to be rewritten for clarity. > >Still, I wanted to see if this sort of thing would be useful for people. >Here's the web link (still disconnected from my main site): > > http://hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu/~dyoo/python/idle_intro/ > >Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au From fasal.waseem@cis.co.uk Tue Jun 19 12:10:58 2001 From: fasal.waseem@cis.co.uk (fasal.waseem@cis.co.uk) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:10:58 +0000 Subject: [Tutor] Attribute Error Message-ID: Hi All is abspath an attribute of 1.5, if not is there some equivalent of it. 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CIS & the CIS logo (R) Co-operative Insurance Society Limited ******************************************************************************** From scarblac@pino.selwerd.nl Tue Jun 19 11:19:14 2001 From: scarblac@pino.selwerd.nl (Remco Gerlich) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:19:14 +0200 Subject: [Tutor] Attribute Error In-Reply-To: ; from fasal.waseem@cis.co.uk on Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 11:10:58AM +0000 References: Message-ID: <20010619121914.A12613@pino.selwerd.nl> On 0, fasal.waseem@cis.co.uk wrote: > Hi All > > is abspath an attribute of 1.5, if not is there some equivalent of it. I think you're talking about os.path.abspath(). It's not in 1.5, but was new in 1.5.2; the current documentation says: (http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/module-os.path.html) abspath(path) Return a normalized absolutized version of the pathname 'path'. On most platforms, this is equivalent to os.path.normpath(os.path.join(os.getcwd(), path)) New in version 1.5.2. That line (basically adds the current directory and the path together and normalizes it) should work. -- Remco Gerlich From fasal.waseem@cis.co.uk Tue Jun 19 13:10:04 2001 From: fasal.waseem@cis.co.uk (fasal.waseem@cis.co.uk) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:10:04 +0000 Subject: [Tutor] Attribute Error Message-ID: Hi there Yes I am trying to use os.path.abspath and I am getting error as shown below; progspec=os.path.abspath(sys.argv[0]) AttributeError: abspath how do use sys.argv and normpath together. regards Faz Distributed system support Analyst CIS Miller Street Manchester M60 0AL 0161 837 4487 (office) www.cis.co.uk (our web page) Remco Gerlich cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: [Tutor] Attribute Error tutor-admin@pyth on.org 19/06/01 10:19 On 0, fasal.waseem@cis.co.uk wrote: > Hi All > > is abspath an attribute of 1.5, if not is there some equivalent of it. I think you're talking about os.path.abspath(). It's not in 1.5, but was new in 1.5.2; the current documentation says: (http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/module-os.path.html) abspath(path) Return a normalized absolutized version of the pathname 'path'. On most platforms, this is equivalent to os.path.normpath(os.path.join(os.getcwd(), path)) New in version 1.5.2. That line (basically adds the current directory and the path together and normalizes it) should work. -- Remco Gerlich _______________________________________________ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor ************************************************************************* This e-mail may contain confidential information or be privileged. It is intended to be read and used only by the named recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please notify us immediately so that we can make arrangements for its return: you should not disclose the contents of this e-mail to any other person, or take any copies. 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Box 101, 1 Balloon Street, Manchester M60 4EP, and administered by CIS Policyholder Services Limited as agent of the Bank. CIS & the CIS logo (R) Co-operative Insurance Society Limited ******************************************************************************** From arcege@speakeasy.net Tue Jun 19 12:00:02 2001 From: arcege@speakeasy.net (Michael P. Reilly) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 07:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tutor] Attribute Error In-Reply-To: <20010619121914.A12613@pino.selwerd.nl> from "Remco Gerlich" at Jun 19, 2001 12:19:14 PM Message-ID: <200106191100.f5JB02i01811@dsl092-074-184.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net> Remco Gerlich wrote > > On 0, fasal.waseem@cis.co.uk wrote: > > is abspath an attribute of 1.5, if not is there some equivalent of it. > > I think you're talking about os.path.abspath(). I took this a completely different way. I was thinking of 1.5 as a float, not a release number. For a floating point number, you are probably looking for the abs() function. It is a builtin, so you can just use it directly: $ python -c 'print abs(-1.5), abs(1.5)' 1.5 1.5 But with this illness, I could have easily gotten mistaken. :) -Arcege -- +----------------------------------+-----------------------------------+ | Michael P. Reilly | arcege@speakeasy.net | From scarblac@pino.selwerd.nl Tue Jun 19 12:14:13 2001 From: scarblac@pino.selwerd.nl (Remco Gerlich) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:14:13 +0200 Subject: [Tutor] Attribute Error In-Reply-To: ; from fasal.waseem@cis.co.uk on Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 12:10:04PM +0000 References: Message-ID: <20010619131413.A12716@pino.selwerd.nl> On 0, fasal.waseem@cis.co.uk wrote: > Yes I am trying to use os.path.abspath and I am getting error as shown > below; > > progspec=os.path.abspath(sys.argv[0]) > AttributeError: abspath > > how do use sys.argv and normpath together. Let's see how I wrote that again, from the library reference documents: > abspath(path) > Return a normalized absolutized version of the pathname 'path'. On most > platforms, this is equivalent to > os.path.normpath(os.path.join(os.getcwd(), path)) > New in version 1.5.2. That means that your line should be written: progspec = os.path.normpath(os.path.join(os.getcwd(), sys.argv[0])) to work on 1.5. (in your case 'path', the argument to abspath(), is 'sys.argv[0]') -- Remco Gerlich From rhess@bic.ch Tue Jun 19 15:00:24 2001 From: rhess@bic.ch (Flynt) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:00:24 +0200 Subject: [Tutor] Python and web scripting References: <01061820143700.02862@orion.andromeda> Message-ID: <3B2F5AF8.CF125658@bic.ch> Michael wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm new to Python and new to programming. I've done html and a few > javascripts and was wanting to learn a real programming language. After > reading up on all the possibilities, I decided to learn Python as my first. > > My question is, how is Python used in a web development application. Can it > be used in the same manner, but instead of PHP? Are there any tutorials / > books that cover this aspect? > > Thanks, > > Michael > > PS I liked the IDLE tutorial, I've already learned some things from that even > though it is not finished. > Hi Michael There is a nice package, HTMLgen (http://starship.python.net/crew/friedrich/HTMLgen/html/main.html), which helps you a lot writing HTML. There is an web application server based entirely on Python, called Zope (the link is http://www.zope.org/). This is a full featured web application server framework, for which also a lot of Add-On modules are already developed to handle special functionalities. You have to spend some time studying the docs, to see what it is capable of, but I think it is well worth a try. Because of the use of python, I think you are moving on much better founded ground than by using PHP, which might be quicker in the first place to implement but gives not as much back, when you are going to more involved problems. And, in IMO, PHP is *web only*, whereas with Python you can work in just all areas. A comprehensive introduction to Zope will come out right now at New Riders Publishing, the Zope Book by Amos Latteier and Michel Pelletier (search for "Zope" on amazon). You can have a look at the last draft of the book at http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB/ HTH --- Flynt From bill-bell@bill-bell.hamilton.on.ca Tue Jun 19 16:42:04 2001 From: bill-bell@bill-bell.hamilton.on.ca (Bill Bell) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:42:04 -0400 Subject: [Tutor] Elementary questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3B2F3A8C.16726.34CAA9D@localhost> Would it be possible for someone to point me toward advice about the following points? 1. When I launch PythonWin its window occupies only part of my screen. How may I configure it to use the entire screen? Similarly, is it possible to configure PythonWin so that child windows (for code, for instance) occupy the entire client window? 2. When I launch a .py script from Windows Explorer the resulting DOS box closes before I'm able to read about exceptions. How may I change this behaviour of the system? Thanks in advance. Bill From pobrien@orbtech.com Tue Jun 19 16:55:44 2001 From: pobrien@orbtech.com (Patrick K. O'Brien) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:55:44 -0500 Subject: [Tutor] Elementary questions In-Reply-To: <3B2F3A8C.16726.34CAA9D@localhost> Message-ID: 1. Right click on the link or menu choice for PythonWin. You will see an option labeled "Run." Set it to Maximized and PythonWin will launch in full screen mode. If you maximize a child window in PythonWin, all existing and subsequent children will open maximized. Restore one and you restore all, etc. Like a toggle. 2. Don't run the file by double-clicking on it. You could start a dos window and then do "python thefile.py". Or run the .py file from IDLE or PythonWin. Sorry about the brevity, but hope that helps. --- Patrick K. O'Brien Orbtech "I am, therefore I think." -----Original Message----- From: tutor-admin@python.org [mailto:tutor-admin@python.org]On Behalf Of Bill Bell Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 10:42 AM To: tutor@python.org Subject: [Tutor] Elementary questions Would it be possible for someone to point me toward advice about the following points? 1. When I launch PythonWin its window occupies only part of my screen. How may I configure it to use the entire screen? Similarly, is it possible to configure PythonWin so that child windows (for code, for instance) occupy the entire client window? 2. When I launch a .py script from Windows Explorer the resulting DOS box closes before I'm able to read about exceptions. How may I change this behaviour of the system? Thanks in advance. Bill _______________________________________________ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor From mbc2@netdoor.com Tue Jun 19 17:24:45 2001 From: mbc2@netdoor.com (Brad Chandler) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:24:45 -0500 Subject: [Tutor] Python and web scripting References: <01061820143700.02862@orion.andromeda> <3B2F5AF8.CF125658@bic.ch> Message-ID: <000601c0f8dc$5acdbc60$111c0d0a@spb.state.ms.us> Does one actually write programs in Python when using Zope? I've looked at Zope briefly, but it looked overly complicated for simple web scripting and I could never wrap my mind around how it was supposed to work. There's something called PSP http://www.ciobriefings.com/psp/ , which stands for Python Server Pages. I think it's supposed to work similar to PHP. It looks promising, but I haven't figured out whether you can use it with Python or whether you have to use the Java implementation of Python called JPython. (Can someone explain the reason for the exisitence of JPython? Why would anyone use it? All I know about Java is the client side web stuff which I hate with a passion). I like programming in python better, but for web scripting it's hard to beat PHP, especially if your using MySQL or PostgreSQL since PHP has some great builtin functions for those databases, better than the ones available for Python in my opinion. I use PHP for all of my web scripting and Python for utility programs that aren't used for the web. You can of course use Python for cgi programs. I've included an example of an extremely simple one below. The first two print statements are mandatory I believe, after that you can program away. I didn't actually need the 'import cgi' line in this example, but keep that module in mind. You place the script in your cgi-bin directory and access it by pointing your browser to http://www.yourdomain.com/cgi-bin/test.py At least that's how I access mine, assuming you named the file test.py and made it executable. #!/usr/bin/python import cgi print "Content-type: text/html" print print """ Hello World! Hello World!
""" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Flynt" To: "Michael" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [Tutor] Python and web scripting > Michael wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm new to Python and new to programming. I've done html and a few > > javascripts and was wanting to learn a real programming language. After > > reading up on all the possibilities, I decided to learn Python as my first. > > > > My question is, how is Python used in a web development application. Can it > > be used in the same manner, but instead of PHP? Are there any tutorials / > > books that cover this aspect? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Michael > > > > PS I liked the IDLE tutorial, I've already learned some things from that even > > though it is not finished. > > > > Hi Michael > > > There is a nice package, HTMLgen > (http://starship.python.net/crew/friedrich/HTMLgen/html/main.html), > which helps you a lot writing HTML. > > There is an web application server based entirely on Python, called Zope > (the link is http://www.zope.org/). This is a full featured web > application server framework, for which also a lot of Add-On modules are > already developed to handle special functionalities. > You have to spend some time studying the docs, to see what it is capable > of, but I think it is well worth a try. Because of the use of python, I > think you are moving on much better founded ground than by using PHP, > which might be quicker in the first place to implement but gives not as > much back, when you are going to more involved problems. And, in IMO, > PHP is *web only*, whereas with Python you can work in just all areas. > A comprehensive introduction to Zope will come out right now at New > Riders Publishing, the Zope Book by Amos Latteier and Michel Pelletier > (search for "Zope" on amazon). You can have a look at the last draft of > the book at > http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB/ > > HTH > > --- Flynt > > _______________________________________________ > Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor From wilson@visi.com Tue Jun 19 18:09:31 2001 From: wilson@visi.com (Timothy Wilson) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:09:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Tutor] Python and web scripting In-Reply-To: <000601c0f8dc$5acdbc60$111c0d0a@spb.state.ms.us> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Brad Chandler wrote: > Does one actually write programs in Python when using Zope? I've looked at > Zope briefly, but it looked overly complicated for simple web scripting and > I could never wrap my mind around how it was supposed to work. Yes, you can write Zope apps directly in Python, but it's not a trivial process. I suspect that some of the PHP-like packages are simpler initially. Of course, using Zope gives you much more power than simply scripting in Python. Like anything else, you have to weigh your needs vs. the complexity of the solution. That said, it's pretty simple to set up some pretty cool Web apps with Python. Check out the Zope book at http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB/. -Tim -- Tim Wilson | Visit Sibley online: | Check out: Henry Sibley HS | http://www.isd197.org | http://www.zope.org W. St. Paul, MN | | http://slashdot.org wilson@visi.com | | http://linux.com From bill-bell@bill-bell.hamilton.on.ca Tue Jun 19 18:20:46 2001 From: bill-bell@bill-bell.hamilton.on.ca (Bill Bell) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:20:46 -0400 Subject: [Tutor] RE: Elementary questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3B2F51AE.14806.3A70BF6@localhost> "Patrick K. O'Brien" wrote: > 1. Right click on the link or menu choice for PythonWin. You will see > an option labeled "Run." Set it to Maximized and PythonWin will launch > in full screen mode. > Sorry about the brevity, but hope that helps. Not at all. Thanks very much for the help. I've been using MSW for a l-o-n-g time. Can't believe that it would never have occurred to me to do that! LOL. Thanks, Patrick! - Bill Bill Bell, Software Developer From michael@exasource.com Tue Jun 19 19:13:06 2001 From: michael@exasource.com (Michael) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:13:06 -0600 Subject: [Tutor] Python and web scripting In-Reply-To: <3B2F5AF8.CF125658@bic.ch> References: <01061820143700.02862@orion.andromeda> <3B2F5AF8.CF125658@bic.ch> Message-ID: <01061912130600.01219@orion.andromeda> Hi Flynt, Thanks for the information. I felt like a dummy writing this message last night because after sending it, I found some information on the Python site. I bet I've been on this site at least 15-20 times, but never found the information, because I was always looking under the tutorials section. I also saw the information on Zope and after reading your post regarding the book, decided that I would get it and check it out. Maybe I'll download Zope now and at least try to get it figured out so when it comes time to use it, after I actually know something about programming in Python, There will be less of a learning curve. The reason I picked Python is just like you said, It can be used in a variety of applications. I'm also interested in trying out Glade. It sounds totally awesome. After I go through several of the web tutorials, what book(s) would you, or anyone else reading this recommend? Thanks, Michael > Hi Michael > > > There is a nice package, HTMLgen > (http://starship.python.net/crew/friedrich/HTMLgen/html/main.html), > which helps you a lot writing HTML. > > There is an web application server based entirely on Python, called Zope > (the link is http://www.zope.org/). This is a full featured web > application server framework, for which also a lot of Add-On modules are > already developed to handle special functionalities. > You have to spend some time studying the docs, to see what it is capable > of, but I think it is well worth a try. Because of the use of python, I > think you are moving on much better founded ground than by using PHP, > which might be quicker in the first place to implement but gives not as > much back, when you are going to more involved problems. And, in IMO, > PHP is *web only*, whereas with Python you can work in just all areas. > A comprehensive introduction to Zope will come out right now at New > Riders Publishing, the Zope Book by Amos Latteier and Michel Pelletier > (search for "Zope" on amazon). You can have a look at the last draft of > the book at > http://www.zope.org/Members/michel/ZB/ > > HTH > > --- Flynt -- Michael Lewis Exasource Inc. 970.206.4556 "Linux - The final solution" From csmith@blakeschool.org Tue Jun 19 19:17:21 2001 From: csmith@blakeschool.org (Christopher Smith) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 13:17:21 -0500 Subject: [Tutor] A (not so) simple question? Round Robin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Greg, I'm learning Python and this was a good learning exercise. I, too, found the web site that you did and implemented a solution using two lists and a dictionary. Basically the dictionary acts as a matrix which is accessed through a tuple pair. The lists are the two lines of participants; for a given round, the competitors across from each other have their entry in the dictionary filled with the round number. I modified your print-out routine to fit with my data. You can probably tell that I am use to printing out matrices and don't yet know a more Python like way to print out an entire row of my dictionary inone statement. Basically I need to do something like "print all dictionary entries that have i as the first member of the tuple key." Can anyone provide any tips on this? /c Code follows: def roundrobin(n): # Uses the "rotating lines" scheme presented # at http://www.rain.org/~mkummel/stumpers/09feb01a.html # to print a table for a round robin tournament # between n teams which are represented by capital letters. # If n is odd, the "bye" is indicated with a "_". # make lines l=[];m=[];t={};odd=0 if n/2*2 !=n: n=n+1 odd=1 n2=n/2 for i in range(n2): l.append(i) m.append(i+n2) # do the rounds for r in range(n-1): for i in range(n2): t[(l[i],m[i])],t[(m[i],l[i])]=r,r # rotate the lines (this was fun!) l.append(m.pop()) m.insert(0,l.pop(1)) # define team names and print results teams = map(chr,range(65,65+n)) if odd: teams[-1]="_" print " |" + "%4s"*n % tuple(teams) print "--|" + "----"*n for i in range(n): print "%s |" % teams[i], for j in range(n): if i==j: t[(i,i)]=-1 # initialize diagonal # Without the () in the next line, a string+int error is obtained # Also, the trailing comma leaves a space between elements so the # total space is actually 4, not 3, for each round number print "%3d" % (t[(i,j)]+1), print roundrobin(7) # This is the output # # | A B C D E F G _ # --|-------------------------------- # A | 0 2 3 4 1 7 6 5 # B | 2 0 6 3 5 1 4 7 # C | 3 6 0 7 2 5 1 4 # D | 4 3 7 0 6 2 5 1 # E | 1 5 2 6 0 4 7 3 # F | 7 1 5 2 4 0 3 6 # G | 6 4 1 5 7 3 0 2 # _ | 5 7 4 1 3 6 2 0 From wesc@deirdre.org Tue Jun 19 20:19:33 2001 From: wesc@deirdre.org (Wesley Chun) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 12:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tutor] Python and web scripting In-Reply-To: <01061820143700.02862@orion.andromeda> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Michael wrote: > > I'm new to Python and new to programming. I've done html and a few > javascripts and was wanting to learn a real programming language. After > reading up on all the possibilities, I decided to learn Python as my first. > > My question is, how is Python used in a web development application. Can it > be used in the same manner, but instead of PHP? Are there any tutorials / > books that cover this aspect? Michael, good question. now by saying "web development" and mentioning PHP, you are focusing specifically on applications run by web servers (and not including subjects like lower-level network programming [sockets] or Internet client programming [FTP, POP3, NNTP, etc.]). Those are a whole 'nother topic on their! Anyhoo, congratulations are still in order for choosing Python after your investigation. The "old"-style way of web development used CGI, however, the need to embedding logic in static HTML data spawned a great-enough demand for tools like ASP, JSP, Cold Fusion, PHP, and even PSP (Python Server Pages). The other way to do it is to use Zope, as some have already mentioned. Currently, there are some books on Zope coming out, and as far as PSP goes, I've only seen a few magazine articles. For basic matters, it may be easiest and most lightweight to use CGI (plus HTMLgen if your HTML is complex). Performance for sites with a good number of hits can be improved by using a Python Apache module such as PyApache or mod_python. Once this solution becomes less productive, then you can migrate to a more "serious" tool such as the ones we just discussed. Good luck, and hope this helps! -wesley - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall PTR, December 2000 http://starship.python.net/crew/wesc/cpp/ wesley.j.chun :: wesc@baypiggies.org cyberweb.consulting :: silicon.valley, ca http://www.roadkill.com/~wesc/cyberweb/ From michael@exasource.com Tue Jun 19 21:18:33 2001 From: michael@exasource.com (Michael) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:18:33 -0600 Subject: [Tutor] Python and web scripting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01061914183301.01219@orion.andromeda> > Michael, > > good question. now by saying "web development" and mentioning PHP, > you are focusing specifically on applications run by web servers > (and not including subjects like lower-level network programming > [sockets] or Internet client programming [FTP, POP3, NNTP, etc.]). Yes, my primary focus is on applications run by webservers. > Those are a whole 'nother topic on their! Anyhoo, congratulations > are still in order for choosing Python after your investigation. It seemed to be the most versatile language. I was mainly interested in being able to use it in web applications, but as I progress, I like the idea of being able to do a complete application, GUI and all. Glade sounds awesome. > > The "old"-style way of web development used CGI, however, the need > to embedding logic in static HTML data spawned a great-enough demand > for tools like ASP, JSP, Cold Fusion, PHP, and even PSP (Python > Server Pages). The other way to do it is to use Zope, as some have > already mentioned. Currently, there are some books on Zope coming > out, I have been reading the CVS on The ZOPE Book at sourceforge. It sounds great! I'm looking forward to downloading it and playing with it until I can get proficient enough to use it. >and as far as PSP goes, I've only seen a few magazine articles. I've read a couple of things on this too. Maybe by the time I'm actually able to use ZOPE in a real world application, there will be more information available on this subject as well. > > For basic matters, it may be easiest and most lightweight to use > CGI (plus HTMLgen if your HTML is complex). Performance for sites > with a good number of hits can be improved by using a Python Apache > module such as PyApache or mod_python. Once this solution becomes > less productive, then you can migrate to a more "serious" tool such > as the ones we just discussed. I tried using the ApacheToolBox to install all of this, but it failed. I am attempting to do a manual install and see if this works. Currently we are using a PostgreSQL database, PHP and Apache. The guy working on the backend picked PHP becuase he has a strong background in C, but he's already having problems working with arrays and is not sure what to do about it. I'm just looking for alternatives and since I don't have any prior programming predjudices, decided to look at Python. Thanks for the information and at what point in my journey would your book be beneficial? Is it right for a total newbie, or would it be better to do a few tutorials first? Thanks, Michael From cynic@mail.cz Tue Jun 19 21:36:03 2001 From: cynic@mail.cz (Cynic) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 22:36:03 +0200 Subject: [Tutor] Python and web scripting In-Reply-To: References: <01061820143700.02862@orion.andromeda> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20010619221645.01fa3230@mail.cz> Hi there, At 21:19 19.6. 2001, Wesley Chun wrote the following: -------------------------------------------------------------- >good question. now by saying "web development" and mentioning PHP, >you are focusing specifically on applications run by web servers >(and not including subjects like lower-level network programming >[sockets] or Internet client programming [FTP, POP3, NNTP, etc.]). >Those are a whole 'nother topic on their! Anyhoo, congratulations >are still in order for choosing Python after your investigation. ------end of quote------ this is not true. PHP has a FTP extension, sockets functions, a c-client extension (access to IMAP, POP3 and NNTP servers)... You can do pretty much anything you might want to do with PHP. cynic@mail.cz ------------- And the eyes of them both were opened and they saw that their files were world readable and writable, so they chmoded 600 their files. - Book of Installation chapt 3 sec 7 From wesc@deirdre.org Tue Jun 19 22:25:33 2001 From: wesc@deirdre.org (Wesley Chun) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:25:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tutor] Python and web scripting In-Reply-To: <01061914183301.01219@orion.andromeda> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Michael wrote: > > It seemed to be the most versatile language. I was mainly interested in > being able to use it in web applications, but as I progress, I like the idea > of being able to do a complete application, GUI and all. Glade sounds > awesome. yes, i have seen a demonstration of GLADE and it looks quite potent. i don't think GUI development had it any easier! > > Currently, there are some books on Zope coming out, > > I have been reading the CVS on The ZOPE Book at sourceforge. It sounds > great! I'm looking forward to downloading it and playing with it until I can > get proficient enough to use it. there is more documentation on Zope now than before, but some still feel it's lacking. i'm interesting in messing around with it more myself. > >and as far as PSP goes, I've only seen a few magazine articles. > > I've read a couple of things on this too. Maybe by the time I'm actually > able to use ZOPE in a real world application, there will be more information > available on this subject as well. > > I tried using the ApacheToolBox to install all of this, but it failed. I am > using a PostgreSQL database, PHP and Apache. The guy working on the backend > picked PHP becuase he has a strong background in C, but he's already having > problems working with arrays and is not sure what to do about it. I'm just > looking for alternatives and since I don't have any prior programming > predjudices, decided to look at Python. Ah, yes. PHP itself is a good concept. unfortunately, it requires learning "yet another language." So this is where PSP and Zope look like better alternatives. In my days at Four11.com and Yahoo!, we used a proprietary PSP-like system to crank our products out. it is definitely the way to go as far as coming up with entire web systems on the fly. Python makes a pretty good first language. The syntax is friendly enough to not scare you away, and you can "add-on" anytime you want. Sort of like having Batman's costume, then adding different gadgets as you see fit. > Thanks for the information and at what point in my journey would your book be > beneficial? Is it right for a total newbie, or would it be better to do a > few tutorials first? Thanks for asking. I will make no attempt to hide the fact that the target audience of Core Python Programming is a technical person who has prior experience in another language (any). I'd suggest doing some of the more well-known programming newbie tutorials: There are several well-known excellent documents pertaining to learning how to program with Python. Most are available from the Python edu-sig website: http://www.python.org/sigs/edu-sig/ Instant Hacking: Learning to Program with Python http://www.hetland.org/python/instant-hacking.php Learning to Program (A. Gauld) http://members.nbci.com/alan_gauld/tutor/tutindex.htm Non-Programmers Tutorial (J. Cogliati) http://www.honors.montana.edu/~jjc/easytut/easytut/ How to Think Like a Computer Scientist (Java and C++ versions by original author A. Downey; and Python version by J. Elkner) http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCS.html As far as books are concerned, Learn to Program Using Python is an extension of Alan Gauld's tutorial, and Ivan's Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours are both targeted towards pro- gramming newbies. These books will teach you how to program *using* Python. (anyone have feedback on these BTW?) Once you know how to program, then Core Python can perhaps give you much more insight on *Python* programming. You will probably get a lot out of the Web Programming chapter in particular. Hope this helps! -wesley - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall PTR, December 2000 http://starship.python.net/crew/wesc/cpp/ wesley.j.chun :: wesc@baypiggies.org cyberweb.consulting :: silicon.valley, ca http://www.roadkill.com/~wesc/cyberweb/ From malex@purdue.edu Tue Jun 19 23:01:25 2001 From: malex@purdue.edu (Oleksandr Moskalenko) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:01:25 -0500 Subject: (forw) [wesc@deirdre.org: Re: [Tutor] Python and web scripting] Message-ID: <20010619170125.A18474@purdue.edu> --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline I read Ivan's Python in 24 hours. It was my first book on Python and it left me confused in a few places as I am still a newbie here. I heard your talk at Purdue Linux Users' group which got me really intersted in Python BTW. Anyway, Since I bought Mark's Learning Python and Programming Python 2nd ed. I hit my head quite a few times saying "Oh, that's what Ivan was trying to show!". For example the lambda function was way over my head until I read about it in Learning Python. I guess they are kind of complimentary. Oh, I also read those tutors on the web adn think they are excellent. Alex. --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: Envelope-to: malex@localhost Delivery-date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:41:01 -0500 Received: from oleksa ([127.0.0.1] helo=localhost) by oleksa with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 15CTF6-0004mq-00 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:41:00 -0500 Received: from herald.cc.purdue.edu [128.210.11.29] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.8.6) for malex@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:41:00 -0500 (EST) Received: via tmail-2000(13) for malex; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:42:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.python.org (mail.python.org [63.102.49.29]) by herald.cc.purdue.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3/herald) with ESMTP id f5JLgMX00287 for ; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:42:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=mail.python.org) by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 3.21 #1) id 15CTGD-0000cZ-00; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:42:09 -0400 Received: from [198.144.195.190] (helo=emperor.deirdre.ORG ident=root) by mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 3.21 #1) id 15CTFg-0000bu-00 for tutor@python.org; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:41:36 -0400 Received: from emperor.deirdre.org (wesc@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (8.12.0.Beta7/8.12.0.Beta7/Debian 8.12.0.Beta7-1) with ESMTP id f5JLPYep015664; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:25:35 -0700 Received: from localhost (wesc@localhost) by emperor.deirdre.org (8.12.0.Beta7/8.12.0.Beta7/Debian 8.12.0.Beta7-1) with ESMTP id f5JLPX5O015660; Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:25:34 -0700 From: Wesley Chun To: Michael cc: Tutor Subject: Re: [Tutor] Python and web scripting In-Reply-To: <01061914183301.01219@orion.andromeda> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: tutor-admin@python.org Errors-To: tutor-admin@python.org X-BeenThere: tutor@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.5 (101270) Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Discussion for learning programming with Python List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:25:33 -0700 (PDT) On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Michael wrote: > > It seemed to be the most versatile language. I was mainly interested in > being able to use it in web applications, but as I progress, I like the idea > of being able to do a complete application, GUI and all. Glade sounds > awesome. yes, i have seen a demonstration of GLADE and it looks quite potent. i don't think GUI development had it any easier! > > Currently, there are some books on Zope coming out, > > I have been reading the CVS on The ZOPE Book at sourceforge. It sounds > great! I'm looking forward to downloading it and playing with it until I can > get proficient enough to use it. there is more documentation on Zope now than before, but some still feel it's lacking. i'm interesting in messing around with it more myself. > >and as far as PSP goes, I've only seen a few magazine articles. > > I've read a couple of things on this too. Maybe by the time I'm actually > able to use ZOPE in a real world application, there will be more information > available on this subject as well. > > I tried using the ApacheToolBox to install all of this, but it failed. I am > using a PostgreSQL database, PHP and Apache. The guy working on the backend > picked PHP becuase he has a strong background in C, but he's already having > problems working with arrays and is not sure what to do about it. I'm just > looking for alternatives and since I don't have any prior programming > predjudices, decided to look at Python. Ah, yes. PHP itself is a good concept. unfortunately, it requires learning "yet another language." So this is where PSP and Zope look like better alternatives. In my days at Four11.com and Yahoo!, we used a proprietary PSP-like system to crank our products out. it is definitely the way to go as far as coming up with entire web systems on the fly. Python makes a pretty good first language. The syntax is friendly enough to not scare you away, and you can "add-on" anytime you want. Sort of like having Batman's costume, then adding different gadgets as you see fit. > Thanks for the information and at what point in my journey would your book be > beneficial? Is it right for a total newbie, or would it be better to do a > few tutorials first? Thanks for asking. I will make no attempt to hide the fact that the target audience of Core Python Programming is a technical person who has prior experience in another language (any). I'd suggest doing some of the more well-known programming newbie tutorials: There are several well-known excellent documents pertaining to learning how to program with Python. Most are available from the Python edu-sig website: http://www.python.org/sigs/edu-sig/ Instant Hacking: Learning to Program with Python http://www.hetland.org/python/instant-hacking.php Learning to Program (A. Gauld) http://members.nbci.com/alan_gauld/tutor/tutindex.htm Non-Programmers Tutorial (J. Cogliati) http://www.honors.montana.edu/~jjc/easytut/easytut/ How to Think Like a Computer Scientist (Java and C++ versions by original author A. Downey; and Python version by J. Elkner) http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/thinkCS.html As far as books are concerned, Learn to Program Using Python is an extension of Alan Gauld's tutorial, and Ivan's Teach Yourself Python in 24 Hours are both targeted towards pro- gramming newbies. These books will teach you how to program *using* Python. (anyone have feedback on these BTW?) Once you know how to program, then Core Python can perhaps give you much more insight on *Python* programming. You will probably get a lot out of the Web Programming chapter in particular. Hope this helps! -wesley - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "Core Python Programming", Prentice Hall PTR, December 2000 http://starship.python.net/crew/wesc/cpp/ wesley.j.chun :: wesc@baypiggies.org cyberweb.consulting :: silicon.valley, ca http://www.roadkill.com/~wesc/cyberweb/ _______________________________________________ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g-- From dyoo@hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu Tue Jun 19 23:44:30 2001 From: dyoo@hkn.eecs.berkeley.edu (Danny Yoo) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:44:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Tutor] Re: An IDLE Introduction In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Jun 2001, Jordan Stanley wrote: > i thinks its great so far > > just a suggestion, how about introducing varibales eg a=3 s=3*a etc > > i'll certainly be coming back to see how the site is going Thanks! Hmmm... This should be in "Day 2 of IDLE", which I'm planning to do sometime soon. The reason I want to keep the "Day 1" page short is to encourage people to look at the Python Introductions on http://python.org/doc/Intros.html, since there's such good documentation there already. Talk to you later! From rol9999@attglobal.net Wed Jun 20 01:39:07 2001 From: rol9999@attglobal.net (Roland Schlenker) Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:39:07 -0500 Subject: [Tutor] A (not so) simple question? Round Robin References: Message-ID: <3B2FF0AB.492BF1DA@attglobal.net> Christopher Smith wrote: > > Dear Greg, > > I'm learning Python and this was a good learning exercise. > > I, too, found the web site that you did and implemented > a solution using two lists and a dictionary. Basically > the dictionary acts as a matrix which is accessed through > a tuple pair. The lists are the two lines of participants; > for a given round, the competitors across from each other > have their entry in the dictionary filled with the round > number. I modified your print-out routine to fit with > my data. You can probably tell that I am use to printing > out matrices and don't yet know a more Python like way to > print out an entire row of my dictionary inone statement. > Basically I need to do something like "print all dictionary > entries that have i as the first member of the tuple key." > Can anyone provide any tips on this? I think the way you did is just fine. If you are asking how to find all entries that have i as the first member of the tuple key: for k in dict.keys(): if k[0] == i: do something with k > > /c > > Code follows: > > def roundrobin(n): > # Uses the "rotating lines" scheme presented > # at http://www.rain.org/~mkummel/stumpers/09feb01a.html > # to print a table for a round robin tournament > # between n teams which are represented by capital letters. > # If n is odd, the "bye" is indicated with a "_". > > # make lines > l=[];m=[];t={};odd=0 > if n/2*2 !=n: > n=n+1 > odd=1 > n2=n/2 > for i in range(n2): > l.append(i) > m.append(i+n2) > > # do the rounds > for r in range(n-1): > for i in range(n2): > t[(l[i],m[i])],t[(m[i],l[i])]=r,r > > # rotate the lines (this was fun!) > l.append(m.pop()) > m.insert(0,l.pop(1)) > > # define team names and print results > teams = map(chr,range(65,65+n)) > if odd: > teams[-1]="_" > print " |" + "%4s"*n % tuple(teams) > print "--|" + "----"*n > for i in range(n): > print "%s |" % teams[i], > for j in range(n): > if i==j: > t[(i,i)]=-1 # initialize diagonal > # Without the () in the next line, a string+int error is obtained > # Also, the trailing comma leaves a space between elements so the > # total space is actually 4, not 3, for each round number > print "%3d" % (t[(i,j)]+1), > print > > roundrobin(7) > > # This is the output > # > # | A B C D E F G _ > # --|-------------------------------- > # A | 0 2 3 4 1 7 6 5 > # B | 2 0 6 3 5 1 4 7 > # C | 3 6 0 7 2 5 1 4 > # D | 4 3 7 0 6 2 5 1 > # E | 1 5 2 6 0 4 7 3 > # F | 7 1 5 2 4 0 3 6 > # G | 6 4 1 5 7 3 0 2 > # _ | 5 7 4 1 3 6 2 0 > > _______________________________________________ > Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor Roland Schlenker From emailrassilca@yahoo.com.au Wed Jun 20 00:21:02 2001 From: emailrassilca@yahoo.com.au (emailrassilca@yahoo.com.au) Date: Ñð, 20 èþí 2001 04:36:38 Subject: [Tutor] E-ìàéë áàçû íà îäíîì CD çà 1000 ðóáëåé. Ïðîèçâîäèì ðàññûëêó. Message-ID: Ïðîäàþòñÿ å-ìàéë áàçû íà îäíîì CD çà 1000 ðóáëåé. Áàçà "Ìîñêâà" - 40000 å-ìàéëîâ ôèðì Ìîñêâû. Áàçà "Ðîññèÿ" - 300000 å-ìàéëîâ. + Ïðîãðàììà äëÿ ðàññûëêè. Òàêæå ïî Âàøåìó çàêàçó ïðîèçâåäåì ðàññûëêó. Ïèøèòå: emailrassilka@yahoo.com.au èëè emailrasilka@yahoo.com.au From fasal.waseem@cis.co.uk Wed Jun 20 10:36:47 2001 From: fasal.waseem@cis.co.uk (fasal.waseem@cis.co.uk) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:36:47 +0000 Subject: [Tutor] Type Error Message-ID: Hi All Does anybody know where I can get hold of the document for python version 1.5, as I have to use that version and I keep having errors, and I would be very grateful if some one check why am I getting this error. line=string.split(string.strip(line),maxsplit=1) TypeError: this function takes no keyword arguments regards Faz Distributed system support Analyst CIS Miller Street Manchester M60 0AL 0161 837 4487 (office) www.cis.co.uk (our web page) ************************************************************************* This e-mail may contain confidential information or be privileged. It is intended to be read and used only by the named recipient(s). 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CIS & the CIS logo (R) Co-operative Insurance Society Limited ******************************************************************************** From scarblac@pino.selwerd.nl Wed Jun 20 09:51:38 2001 From: scarblac@pino.selwerd.nl (Remco Gerlich) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:51:38 +0200 Subject: [Tutor] Type Error In-Reply-To: ; from fasal.waseem@cis.co.uk on Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 09:36:47AM +0000 References: Message-ID: <20010620105138.A13953@pino.selwerd.nl> On 0, fasal.waseem@cis.co.uk wrote: > Hi All > > Does anybody know where I can get hold of the document for python version > 1.5, as I have to use that version and I keep having errors, and I would be > very grateful if some one check why am I getting this error. > > line=string.split(string.strip(line),maxsplit=1) > TypeError: this function takes no keyword arguments > > regards http://www.python.org/doc/1.5/ In this case the closest translation would be line = string.split(string.strip(line), " ", 1) but that behaves slightly different; the original you have there splits on blocks of whitespace, the translation on single spaces so e.g. >>> string.split("whee whee") ['whee','whee'] >>> string.split("whee whee", " ") ['whee','','','whee'] That may or may not be a problem, depending on what your strings look like (are there multiple spaces between the first word and the rest?) -- Remco Gerlich From fasal.waseem@cis.co.uk Wed Jun 20 11:53:52 2001 From: fasal.waseem@cis.co.uk (fasal.waseem@cis.co.uk) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:53:52 +0000 Subject: [Tutor] Thank you Message-ID: Hi Just would like to express my appreciations and thanks to all who sent me the info recently, especially Remco. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C0F96F.E15D7B60-- From alan.gauld@bt.com Wed Jun 20 11:26:38 2001 From: alan.gauld@bt.com (alan.gauld@bt.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:26:38 +0100 Subject: [Tutor] Python and web scripting Message-ID: <5104D4DBC598D211B5FE0000F8FE7EB20751D831@mbtlipnt02.btlabs.bt.co.uk> > Does one actually write programs in Python when using Zope? Yes. The URLs used to reach a Zope page are actually method calls of python objects. Thus: http://www.azope.server/zoperoot/anobject/amethod is a (fictitious!) URL that calls the amethod() method of an object called "anobject" which is stored in a folder under zoperoot. > Zope briefly, but it looked overly complicated for simple web > scripting It is. There is a simpler version called Poor Man's Zope which might be more appropriate but I've only read the web pages not used it... > There's something called PSP http://www.ciobriefings.com/psp/ > , which stands for Python Server Pages. I think it's > supposed to work similar to PHP. Yes and ASP etc etc... It is server sice scripting embedded within the HTML. > looks promising, but I haven't figured out whether you > can use it with Python or whether you have to use the > Java implementation of Python No it works with regular C Python. > (Can someone explain the reason for the exisitence > of JPython? Why would anyone use it? All I know about Java > is the client side web stuff which I hate with a passion). Leaving passion aside client side Java is the only way to implement stateful cliuent server applications that run in a browser so its very usful. It also performs a lot better than http and provides a much richer computing environment - drag n drop becomes possible for example. Unfortunately Javas programming model is a biit longwinded jython allows you to build a "Java" web client using Python. However the real strength of Jaba nowadays is in server side programming and the huige range of class libraries available for enterprise strength computing. Jython provides access to all of that industry standard code from Python. Its also about the only way to get Java and Python to communicate and with many corporates stanbdardising their computing environment on Java its likely to become even more ubiquitous. Finally a compiled Jython program will run on any platform with a JVM installed - from a mainframe to an embedded system - thats farv more likely than finding a box with python installed(at least for now!) Hopefully some(but not all) of the reasons? > You can of course use Python for cgi programs. Yes and there is an addin to allow embedded cgi which should speed it up considerably since it obviates the need for a new interpreter session each time. There are several books which talk about web programming in Python including the new Programming Python monster volume. Alan G From alan.gauld@bt.com Wed Jun 20 11:32:54 2001 From: alan.gauld@bt.com (alan.gauld@bt.com) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:32:54 +0100 Subject: [Tutor] Python and web scripting Message-ID: <5104D4DBC598D211B5FE0000F8FE7EB20751D832@mbtlipnt02.btlabs.bt.co.uk> > > for tools like ASP, JSP, Cold Fusion, PHP, and even PSP > ... > >and as far as PSP goes, I've only seen a few magazine articles. FWIW it is of course possible to write ASP in Python if you are using an NT/IIS web server with Active Scripting enabled. The winall package contains a script that registers python as an alternative language alongside VBSCript and JSCript. You just spoecify LANGUAGE-Python and then write code inside the usual

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W. Jarrett Campbell, = Ph.D. Member=20 of the Technical Staff Yield Dynamics, Inc. 5838 Balcones = Drive,=20 Ste. 101 Austin, TX 78731	512.323.9149 =20 office 512.257.9503 fax 512.415.1078 = mobile jarrett@ydyn.com http://www.ydyn.com