Mike Reavey wrote: >>>class MyClass: "a simple example" n = 1234 def f(self): print "hello" >>>MyClass.n 1234 >>>MyClass.f <unbound method MyClass.f> >>>MyClass.f(self) NameError: name 'self' is not defined I found this trying to learn class objects in the Python Tutorial 9.3.2 I know I'm doing something wrong, but can't put my finger on it. thanks re-v