[Tutor] Over optimizing
mhansen at cso.atmel.com
Mon Oct 18 23:50:57 CEST 2004
My post wasn't directed at anyone. It also wasn't intended to stop the
discussions on optimizing. There's much to be learned from viewing
different and better ways of coding. I just wanted to put optimizing in
the overall picture of programming.
Bill Mill wrote:
>as probably the guy you're talking at, I just want to say that I agree
>100%. The topic just kind of came up in one thread, but I introduced
>it into another. I find that sometimes optimization is fun for its own
>sake, and to learn a little bit more about the environment in which
>you're programming or operating.
>However, as you say, these are treacherous waters. When I write actual
>programs, I don't even think about optimization until after the
>program's operational, and I can find the bottlenecks in it.
>Most likely, the tutor mailing list is not the place for these
>discussions. I will try to refrain from them in the future.
>bill.mill at gmail.com
>On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:35:39 -0400, Kent Johnson
><kent_johnson at skillsoft.com> wrote:
>>Yes. As a confirmed optimization junkie, I will second that! CAR Hoare
>>famously said "Premature optimization is the root of all evil."
>>For most of the programs mentioned on this list, optimization is not needed
>>at all. Once the program is working correctly any performance problems can
>>If you do need to improve performance, use a profiler to find the hot
>>spots. You will often be surprised at where the time is going!
>>This page http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?RulesOfOptimization has three rules of
>>optimization (and links to other useful info):
>>2. Don't yet
>>3. Profile before optimizing.
>>At 11:42 AM 10/18/2004 -0600, Mike Hansen wrote:
>>>[steps up on soapbox]
>>>Lately there's been a lot of talk about getting various code snippets to
>>>run faster. It's good to exercise your brain coming up with better ways to
>>>optimize code and get exposed to different methods of writing code. I
>>>would like to offer a little bit of caution for those new to programming.
>>>Many programs run into problems when the the programmer is overly
>>>concerned with optimizing. Sometimes inadvertently sacrificing stability
>>>and readability in the name of optimization. Sometimes the clever
>>>optimization becomes difficult to read and possibly difficult to modify.
>>>In general, you should worry about optimizing code only when it appears to
>>>be running too slow. Don't try to second guess the program's performance.
>>>Machines are pretty fast these days, and are getting faster. In short, get
>>>it working, make sure it's readable, and optimize only if it's performing
>>>Just an opinion based on some books I've read and some experience.
>>>[steps off soapbox]
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