[Tutor] Shelve del not reducing file size

Barton David David.Barton at nottingham.ac.uk
Fri Jul 27 15:50:11 CEST 2007

Sadly I can't think of a plan B, hence the frustration! Python, as far
as I know, is as good as it gets. And I don't have the courage or the
capability to improve it myself.

So all I can really do is clasp my hands together and helplessly plead:
"Won't Somebody, Please, Think of the Children!" 

(Meaning struggling non-pro users like me, of course)

As far as I'm concerned, the core language has matured to be elegant and
terrificly newbie-friendly, but the extended functionality (the standard
library) absolutely has not. It disappoints me that Guido and many other
developers *seem* to be more concerned with strategies for revamping the
former than they are with strategies for improving the latter. If Kay
Schluehr, Paul Rubin and John Nagle are opposing this trend and being
dismissed as 'carpers' then I fear Python has lost sight of the
'friendliness' it once seemed to aspired to. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Kent Johnson [mailto:kent37 at tds.net] 
Sent: 27 July 2007 14:11
To: Barton David
Cc: tutor at python.org
Subject: Re: [Tutor] Shelve del not reducing file size

If it's any solace, there is a small minority of Python users who agree
with you. There *are* rough edges in the library modules and the library
docs. The great majority of Python users seem to find them good enough
and are pleased and amazed at what you can do with the batteries
included. A minority find the warts, omissions and inconsistencies to be
very frustrating, and not because they (the users) are dumb. IIRC some
prominent carpers on comp.lang.python are Kay Schluehr, Paul Rubin and
John Nagle.

I'm curious, what is plan B? Do you have something better than Python to
try? I guess the above-named people are still with Python because the
benefits outweigh the warts.


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