[Tutor] OT: Netiquette

Prasad, Ramit ramit.prasad at jpmorgan.com
Mon Sep 24 23:53:23 CEST 2012

Note: attributions might be a bit off due to the way this was sent. 

Dwight Hutto wrote:
> Dwight,
> Please stop responding to Mark.   His behaviour is typical schoolyard
> bully, meaning he's saying things precisely because he gets a reaction
> from you.  He probably doesn't even realise that he's doing it
> consciously, but either way the best way to deal with such behaviour
> is to stop giving such a person what they want, e.g. the reaction.
> So, please just **stop responding** to any of his posts
> I respond, to let him know that he just thinks I don't add context,
> but lacks the ability to cheeck, that I do try to include context, but
> in these question answer sessions, you should be following, the
> conversation, which should put everything into context.

To be fair, I do not think Mark is chastising you for context anywhere
that you actually provide context; only when it is missing. I do agree 
it was unnecessary to remark on your use of context in one thread.

> .  He'll soon
> grow bored and move on.  If you had kept out of the conversation when
> I'd originally replied to him then I'd have been able to take him to
> task for his childish behaviour.   As it stands now unfortunately,
> Myles' thread has become a wasteland of exchanges between yourself and
> him.   Again: Please just stop responding to him.
> Well, It's an argument, and I won't let him win. I could stop
> responding, but then he would think he had won, and do it to someone
> else.

Hmm, arguing on the internet. Reminds me of:
and http://xkcd.com/386/ 

> He's wrong. He took one response out of context, and assumed that is
> what I do, when usually it's just I followed the conversation for
> real, and if he had, then he would know the context in which a certain
> comment was made.

You have forgotten context more often than "one response". I am not 
sure what you mean by "I followed the conversation for real..."

> Thank you sincerely,
> Walter Prins
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy at yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
> > On 24/09/2012 17:52, Walter Prins wrote:
> >>
> >> Mark,
> >>
> >> On 23 September 2012 22:53, Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Is the personal sniping really necessary?  (That's a rhetorical
> >>>> question, just to be clear.)
> >>>
> >>> Well if Dwight insists on replying to something without quoting the
> >>> context
> >>> so the rest of us haven't the faintest idea what he's talking about what
> >>> are
> >>> we meant to do?  Sadly my mind reading capabilities are quite low, I
> >>> don't
> >>> know about that for anyone else.
> >>
> >>
> >> Well then tell him how to do it properly and/or provide a better
> >> answer without the personal invective.  No one expects you to read
> >> minds obviously, but the personal attacks and sarcasm are really way
> >> out of line.  I can only hang my head in shame at what Myles must be
> >> thinking of all this.  So childish.

Agreed. Wait, who is Myles? The OP?

> >>
> >> Walter
> He only has one conversation to prove his point on, and I made the
> point of telling him I was following a short conversation(at the
> time), and therefore needed no context at the time, because the OP is
> following the thread for the answer, and knows the context.
> Walter's point of entry into the thread is of no concern to me,
> because the OP is following the conversation. If Walter wants to know
> the context, read the every post just like the OP would, because
> that's who I'm responding to, not Walter.
> > Dwight Hutto refers to my family as pigs and you have a go at
> And when did I do that, please point out where I said that about your family.

"""> window I've just spotted a squadron of low flying pigs.

A family reunion no doubt. Maybe if you could pay attention instead of
picking sides you would understand the argument, and comment.
From: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.tutor/77951/focus=77955

> > downright bloody check.  We're here to teach Python.  If he's too thick to
> > understand context he can search the web for the word or resort to a
> > dictionary.
> If you're too thick to understand that sometimes it's an offhand
> remark to JUST the OP, then you don't understand the context of a
> tutor session in which one person asks a question, and gets responses.

True, but that is not really helpful to other people who may be reading
and curious or able to offer a correction/comment. Not to mention
anyone in need of future help. Though I have noted that you do attempt
to place context sometimes and I appreciate that. 

> You also seem to have missed lots of other conversations, where my
> replies are in line.
> You want an argument, and in this case you lose, because you couldn't
> understand the context of my remark, because you think that every time
> I respond it's without inline responses.
> You don't know enough about me to say I always quote out of context,
> and I can provide the evidence that I do.

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