[Tutor] missing idlelib and pip

[Paul Simon]

On 11/1/2017 9:08 AM, Mats Wichmann wrote:
> On 11/01/17 04:39, Alan Gauld via Tutor wrote:
>> On 01/11/17 04:30, Paul Simon wrote:
>>> The python distribution for the Mageia 6 update does not include idlelib
>>> or pip.  Please tell me where to find them to add.
>>
>> IDLE should be in your package manager - along with zillions of
>> other Python packages. You should just need to select it and
>> install it. The caveat is that I don't use Mageia but that's
>> how it works on every other Linux Python I've used.
>>
>> On my Mint system I use Synaptic as a package manager and typing
>> idle into the search box brings up a long list in the form
>>
>> idle-pythonX.Y
>>
>> Where X.Y represent every version from 2.3 through to 3.6
>> Just select the version corresponding to your installed
>> Python.
>>
> 
> Mageia is a descendant of Mandrake, which once upon a time (should be
> over a decade ago by now) I used as my main system.  If they haven't
> changed away, that means you would search using urpmi... but you've
> indicated you have asked them for things and not gotten a satisfactory
> answer.
> 
> You can _always_ just install your own Python environment.  I have used
> this to simplify management/installation:
> 
> https://github.com/pyenv/pyenv
> 
> Once you are running in a Python you have installed and are not messing
> up the system version, you should be able to install whatever you want,
> however you want, outside of whatever you think the distribution isn't
> doing right. Installing from source the way pyenv does means you have  a
> full build, not one that's been segmented into sub-packages the way
> Linux distributions do.
> 
> Note: IDLE would require a properly working tkinter, which requires a
> working tk library, which should not actually be a problem, it's not a
> tough thing to do, but has managed to trip up many people (for example,
> the system-provided tk on MacOS is not functional for this use so a lot
> of people have had IDLE problems there).  Don't feel you _have_ to use
> IDLE as your interactive programming environment, there are tons of
> other choices - the python.org website has a page of links.
> 
> 
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Thank you all very much.  I assumed it was always installed with the 
standard library, and every time I upgrade to a new version of Mageia, I 
have the same problem and can never remember what I have done before. 
Pat of the problem for me is that idle is automatically installed with 
the Windows version.
I got a lot of help from the Mageia group and now have all installed.

Paul Simon