[Tutor] Tutor Digest, Vol 223, Issue 2
Abdullah Rashid
abdullahkhrief at gmail.com
Sun Sep 4 17:38:03 EDT 2022
Hello there!
Thank you for your advice, I don't have a problem to study by English
Language, I think it's harder to study data scientist by other languages
since it's based on English Language, and I would like to have an online
courses because I don't want it to be a struggle if I have got a job, but
maybe I could have some courses in Saudi Arabia and it's still in English
Language and it's not online, but as I said I don't have a problem with
English, but still I don't know how to start the career...
Thank you for your response
On Fri, 2 Sept 2022, 19:01 , <tutor-request at python.org> wrote:
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> From: <avi.e.gross at gmail.com>
> To: "'O ZA'" <sodercan at yahoo.com>, <tutor at python.org>
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2022 14:06:51 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Tutor] Just wanted to ask about SimpiLearn Data scientist
> course
> I had already forwarded a similar message so I am glad he sent directly to
> the group.
>
> But sadly, sometimes people from some cultures might appreciate some of
> what you say is not good. Heck, imagine going to a school in your own
> country where the courses are mainly taught in English (and this is true in
> MANY countries for some subjects) and most of the students are local and
> most of the staff are local. They all speak English to various degrees and
> often with similar accents and maybe understand each other somewhat better
> than any outsider might. And, local customs being what they are, they may
> see chauvinistic comments 9whatever that means) as fun or with it rather
> than being deplorable to the outsider.
>
> Joking aside, I know of people who went to say a Medical School in some
> country and were the only real English speaker in an area that may not have
> especially favored aspects of themselves like gender and sexuality or
> racial/cultural/religious ...
>
> Online courses though can appeal to a more mixed worldwide audience. Old
> info being taught worked if only older equipment and software was available
> in the local market. But is that particularly true anymore in many parts of
> the world?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tutor <tutor-bounces+avi.e.gross=gmail.com at python.org> On Behalf Of
> O ZA via Tutor
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 9:53 AM
> To: tutor at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Tutor] Just wanted to ask about SimpiLearn Data scientist
> course
>
> I hope you receive my advice on time
>
>
> Data science is great, but Simplilearn is a horrible platform They play
> with dates, so that you cannot ask for a refund Their tutorials are really
> old, and they use low cost instructors who speak broken English and come
> out with chauvinistic comments There’s a Simplilearn fraud group on
> Facebook. Maybe you can also ask in there Please, let me know which course
> you eventually chose Good luck, Óscar
>
>
> On 29/08/2022 22.03, عبدالله راشد wrote:
> > Hello!
> > I'm willing to have a course from SimpiLearn as a data scientist but
> > unfortunately I am not sure if is going to be a good course, I'm still
> > new and don't have any experience or knowledge about data scientist.
>
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Abdullah Rashid <abdullahkhrief at gmail.com>
> To: tutor at python.org
> Cc:
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> Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2022 03:57:38 +0300
> Subject: Re: [Tutor] Tutor Digest, Vol 223, Issue 1
> I really enjoying the conversations here, and sorry if the topic is a bit
> strange to ask,
> I really would like to start data scientist career, but don't know how to
> begin, so what are your advice to start the career?
>
> Thank you in advance for your help.
>
> On Thu, 1 Sept 2022, 19:01 , <tutor-request at python.org> wrote:
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> > 1. FW: Simplilearn data science (avi.e.gross at gmail.com)
> > 2. Re: Just wanted to ask about SimpiLearn Data scientist course
> > (O ZA)
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: <avi.e.gross at gmail.com>
> > To: <tutor at python.org>
> > Cc:
> > Bcc:
> > Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 13:01:14 -0400
> > Subject: [Tutor] FW: Simplilearn data science
> > I am not clear on any RULES of etiquette here and may be violating some
> > broader expectations, but I am forwarding a message I received in private
> > from a third party.
> >
> >
> >
> > The topic is, or was, a user with some name like Abdallah Rashid (عبدالله
> > راشد) who wrote a short message here and, as too often happens here, then
> > has not reappeared to respond to anything several of us wrote. In my
> > opinion, that is a fine reason to stop discussing it as we may be talking
> > to ourselves and it may not be a topic we are interested in.
> >
> >
> >
> > But we also have seen people in many groups like this who use it for
> their
> > own purposes and one such purpose can be to sort of advertise their
> product
> > and hope someone tries it. As I read it, we were being asked about a
> > platform for teaching in general, and on a specific, albeit loose, topic.
> > No pointers to a specific web page showing what was meant were given.
> >
> >
> >
> > The letter below was sent to me in what looks like a Bcc as a response to
> > the original message. As I understand it, it suggests that the
> Simplilearn
> > platform as a whole is not a great choice for the many reasons mentioned.
> > It goes to the point of suggesting it is a fraud.
> >
> >
> >
> > I, personally, am not in the market for taking courses to gain
> > credentials, but more along the lines of just for fun and enlightenment.
> I
> > have taken all kinds of courses over the years, both for free and with
> some
> > kind of tuition, and have had plenty where the instructor was not a
> native
> > English speaker and has had, shall we say, cultural differences. They
> were
> > not all low-cost either, but often simply people who were raised and
> > educated partially or completely in other places and were not cunning
> > linguists. I can usually get past that as long as they also know the
> > content well. Some can’t. But if I were to try to do lectures in one of
> the
> > many human languages I have decent familiarity with, and I include the
> > languages I spoke before English, I suspect I would not please the ones
> > listening that much either. Then again, after a few months, in my own
> > experience, I would adapt and probably do a passable job with less of an
> > accent or stumbling around for words.
> >
> >
> >
> > In any case, I think what Óscar wrote below and the fact the questioner
> > remains silent, are solid reasons for not continuing to delve into
> > Simplilearn further here. I am fairly sure there are better ways to learn
> > these topics but more importantly, better CREDENTIALS people can get for
> > real jobs.
> >
> >
> >
> > The reality is that many people (including many here) are largely
> > self-taught using things as simple as textbooks and playing around
> writing
> > and debugging actual programs. I came upon Python in the last decade or
> so
> > and began by reading lots of books on it and internet resources and did
> > some Coursera courses just for fun that rarely taught me anything new. I
> > then got books more focused on doing things like Statistics or Machine
> > Learning and so on, that had parts done using Python and packages (but
> > also, or instead, often other languages like R). Luckily, as I have no
> > regular day job, I do not need to care about credentials. If I was trying
> > to make a living using python, I would try to find out about jobs and
> what
> > they would accept as partial proof of eligibility, as was mentioned here.
> > For some people a good route is to redirect their early education towards
> > getting degrees in something like computer science that are broader than
> > one language or discipline like data analysis. For others, especially
> with
> > a shorter time-frame in mind, there may well be ways to earn decent
> > credentials in shorter periods but those may qualify you barely enough to
> > get in the door.
> >
> >
> >
> > When I joined Bell labs, I came from a complicated background that
> > included a Masters in Computer Science but the focus was both broad and
> > abstract and the experience was largely in other directions than the way
> > things were done there. I mean I had been using languages like FORTRAN
> and
> > Pascal on mainframes and DEC platforms like a VAX running VMS. At the
> labs
> > the languages I ended up using required learning more about C and UNIX
> and
> > an assortment of tools that overlapped but largely were different. I mean
> > different text editors and utilities and so on.
> >
> >
> >
> > What qualified me for the jobs I then did was not that I could walk in on
> > day one knowing everything but the fact I could learn anything rapidly
> and
> > already knew about quite a bit of similar things and ways and so on.
> >
> >
> >
> > And my job kept changing. If all I could do was one-trick, I would not
> > have lasted. My education has continued and will continue in a world that
> > is not static. Many of the things I once learned are now fairly useless
> and
> > some arguably never were useful. Most were fun, at least for a while.
> >
> >
> >
> > If a student is not able to learn easily on their own, or tries and
> > something in the books is not clicking, sure, classes chosen carefully
> may
> > be helpful. This forum is here partially for that reason as a supplement
> to
> > either books or classrooms.
> >
> >
> >
> > The letter from Óscar follows. I assume he is on this forum and am not
> > sure why he has trouble posting here. Usually a reply-all works.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: O ZA <sodercan at yahoo.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2022 9:49 AM
> > To: avi.e.gross at gmail.com
> > Subject: Simplilearn data science
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello
> >
> >
> >
> > Sorry for having contacted you directly. I’m new to this, and I don’t
> know
> > how to access your enquiry
> >
> >
> >
> > Data science is great, but Simplilearn is a horrible platform
> >
> >
> >
> > They play with dates, so that you cannot ask for a refund
> >
> >
> >
> > Their tutorials are really old, and they use low cost instructors who
> > speak broken English and come out with chauvinistic comments
> >
> >
> >
> > There’s a Simplilearn fraud group on Facebook. Maybe you can also ask in
> > there
> >
> >
> >
> > Please, let me know which course you eventually chose
> >
> >
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> >
> >
> > Óscar
> >
> >
> > On 29/08/2022 22.03, عبدالله راشد wrote:
> > > Hello!
> > > I'm willing to have a course from SimpiLearn as a data scientist but
> > > unfortunately I am not sure if is going to be a good course, I'm still
> > new
> > > and don't have any experience or knowledge about data scientist.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: O ZA <sodercan at yahoo.com>
> > To: <tutor at python.org>
> > Cc:
> > Bcc:
> > Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 13:53:26 +0000 (UTC)
> > Subject: Re: [Tutor] Just wanted to ask about SimpiLearn Data scientist
> > course
> > I hope you receive my advice on time
> >
> >
> > Data science is great, but Simplilearn is a horrible platform
> > They play with dates, so that you cannot ask for a refund
> > Their tutorials are really old, and they use low cost instructors who
> > speak broken English and come out with chauvinistic comments
> > There’s a Simplilearn fraud group on Facebook. Maybe you can also ask in
> > there
> > Please, let me know which course you eventually chose
> > Good luck,
> > Óscar
> >
> >
> > On 29/08/2022 22.03, عبدالله راشد wrote:
> > > Hello!
> > > I'm willing to have a course from SimpiLearn as a data scientist but
> > > unfortunately I am not sure if is going to be a good course, I'm still
> > new
> > > and don't have any experience or knowledge about data scientist.
> >
> >
> >
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