<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Lowell Tackett &lt;<a href="mailto:lowelltackett@yahoo.com">lowelltackett@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div><div></div></div><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br><br>There&#39;s an essential (in my opinion) principle of learning programming that doesn&#39;t seem to have made its&#39; way into this conversation.&nbsp; I&#39;ll preface my thoughts by saying that in-again, my opinion- Michael Dawson&#39;s book, <span style="text-decoration:underline">Python Programming for the absolute beginner</span> is more than a book...it&#39;s a hallowed tome.&nbsp; A
 lot of learning is not only absorbing stuff, but what I call (and I&#39;m certain it didn&#39;t originate with me) &quot;finger time&quot;.&nbsp; That&#39;s simply spending time at the keyboard and vicariously interacting.&nbsp; Things will come to you, but it needs hours and hours of <span style="font-style:italic">fairly</span> productive interaction.&nbsp; Mr. Dawson&#39;s book provides that cycle of, &#39;do...feedback...oh, yea!&#39; like nothing else available.<br>
<br><span style="font-style:italic">Of course</span>, a person is gonna need to jump away and do independent stuff.&nbsp; But this book provides concrete milestones from which to jump and apply concepts to independently thought up projects.<br>
<br>That, after having used Mr. Dawson&#39;s book, and appreciating the solid grounding it provided me, is my humble opinion.<br><br>Lowell T.<br></div></div> _______________________________________________<br>Tutor maillist  - 
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-pagination:
none;mso-layout-grid-align:none;text-autospace:none"><span style=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">That
was a really interesting post Lowell. Great feedback! I've thought about something
like this but I haven't been sure how to express it (English isn't my mother
tongue). You also set a better tone then I used in my first reply. I </span></span></span><span style=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">apologize for it.</span></span></span><span style=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"></span></span></span></p>


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you are talking about is very important. Succeeding and making something work
is a thrill and it will motivate one try even harder the next time. </span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"></span></span></span></p>


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me "Beginning Python" provided a better ground for this learning experience
because I got to try many variations of the many important parts of Python. I
wrote the code from the examples and I saw it work. With Dawson there where
some really extensive examples but I didn't really understand how the isolated
parts worked. There where many more "oh, this is cool" thoughts with "Beginning
Python". I also believe that by using a more technical book I gained an
experience with the programming methology (e.g. coding and debugging code). </span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"></span></span></span></p>


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I am claiming is that the productive experience is greater with Beginning
Python than with Dawson. Don't be afraid of the big and more technical books. They
are big, but big means there's more fun inside. </span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"></span></span></span></p>

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