[Web-SIG] Can't we all just get along? (was: Re: wsgiconfig design)

Jim Fulton jim at zope.com
Sun Jul 8 13:31:05 CEST 2007

On Jul 7, 2007, at 3:01 PM, Ian Bicking wrote:

> Jim Fulton wrote:
>> On Jul 6, 2007, at 11:41 PM, Ian Bicking wrote:
>>> Every so often I get in this cleanup/redux mood where I feel a  
>>> need to
>>> revisit things I've done before in an attempt to Do Them Right.
>>> We've discussed Paste Deploy here before, and I'm thinking about  
>>> Redoing
>>> It Right.
>> Cool.
>>> I thought I'd share some thoughts on the design:
>>> I still am quite happy with the entry points from Paste Deploy,  
>>> and plan
>>> to keep them,
>> Me too.  In fact, I'd really like them to have their own identity  
>> independent if Paste Deploy. People should start supporting these  
>> entry points even if they use some other application to put them  
>> together.
> I've tried to encourage people to use this, but they get stuck on the
> word "paste", so there's not many other people who consume or produce
> these entry points except for use with Paste or related packages
> (Pylons, etc).  I'm not sure what to do about that, except perhaps to
> reset people's opinions with this rewrite.

Well, this touches a nerve with me.  I have a similar problem with  
people rejecting out of hand anything that happens to live in the  
zope or even the zc namespace.  Similarly, at PyCon, I try to always  
give at least talk that I think will be generally interesting to the  
Python community at large, yet many people tend to assume that these  
are Zope specific.  I think this behavior is extremely unhealthy for  
the Python community.  Paste deploy is the only effort I've seen to  
provided a much-needed glue layer for WSGI.  It doesn't matter one  
bit to me what it's called.  It tries to fill a basic need.  Now I'm  
all for competition.  If someone really wanted to come up with  
something better, then I wouldn't mind seeing someone try, but  
nothing else is happening AFAICT.  I certainly have other things I  
want to work on.  Paste Deploy is a really good start and, FWIW, the  
Zope community is embracing it.


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