[XML-SIG] Re: XML-SIG digest, Vol 1 #386 - 2 msgs

Stephan Riedel sriedel@inside-gmbh.com
Thu, 28 Oct 1999 07:18:23 GMT


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On 28.10.99, 07:05:47, xml-sig-admin@python.org wrote regarding 
XML-SIG digest, Vol 1 #386 - 2 msgs:


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>   1. Re: Scriptics Connect (Fredrik Lundh)
>   2. Re: What should we be doing? (Mike Olson)

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> Message: 1
> From: "Fredrik Lundh" <fredrik@pythonware.com>
> To: <xml-sig@python.org>, "Guido van Rossum" <guido@cnri.reston.va.us>
> Subject: Re: [XML-SIG] Scriptics Connect
> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 17:10:54 +0200
> charset="iso-8859-1"

> Guido van Rossum <guido@cnri.reston.va.us> wrote:
> > Scriptics (John Ousterhout's Tcl/Tk company) has launched an XML
> > offensive called Scriptics Connect.
> >
> > See http://www.scriptics.com/products/connect/
> >
> > Has anyone seen this in action?  What should be our response?  Python
> > used to be #1 in the XML scripting world -- lately, I don't see that
> > much activity... :-(

> from the original press release (when it was called
> BizConnect):

>     A single user development version of BizConnect is
>     available for $5,000, with a group development version
>     available for $12,500. Deployment licenses start at
>     $50,000 for computer systems with up to 4 processors.

> guess you could start selling XML-SIG distributions via
> the consortium? (buy one, and get a full membership
> for free! ;-)

> </F>


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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 10:17:10 -0600
> From: Mike Olson <Mike.Olson@FourThought.com>
> Organization: FourThought LLC
> CC: xml-sig@python.org
> Subject: Re: [XML-SIG] What should we be doing?

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> Thanks for all of the feed back on the 4Suite tools.  We have been 
working on
> packaging and setup in the last few releases and has improved steadily 
thanks to
> direct feedback from users.  If you are still having problems with 
installation,
> you might want to try the latest versions.  If you are trying the 
latest
> versions please send us feed back and we will look into any problems.

> As for documentation we only document things that are not in the 
offical specs.

> One last note about our CORBA support.  Non CORBA installation of 4DOM 
has been
> available for many versions.  In an orbless install the CORBA like 
files are
> just dummies and don't degrade performance.  We do plan to release a 
version
> without any CORBA infastructure in the core package.

> Mike

> Greg Duncan wrote:

> > Paul,
> >
> > Further to my earlier comments, I tried the 4Thought package and the 
same
> > comments apply, you just can't take it out of the box and run it, and 
the
> > documentation is not brilliant.
> >
> > I ended up writing my own module to implement the DOM as it was faster 
than
> > mucking around with someone elses code. In fairness though I did use 
this
> > exercise to bring myself up to speed on python and refresh some XML 
concepts
> > as I have been doing 'other stuff' for the past 12 months.
> >
> > I certanly beileve enough in python / XML that I would be prepared to 
spend
> > some of my personal time organising resources and testing updating
> > documentation for the python XML community - an advantage as being
> > relatively new to python, I don't make the same assumptions that you 
do.
> >
> > If this interests anyone then let me know!
> >
> > _____________________________________________
> > Greg Duncan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Paul Prescod <paul@prescod.net>
> > To: <xml-sig@python.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 1999 1:56 PM
> > Subject: [XML-SIG] What should we be doing?
> >
> > > Guido van Rossum wrote:
> > > > Has anyone seen this in action?  What should be our response?  Python
> > > > used to be #1 in the XML scripting world -- lately, I don't see that
> > > > much activity... :-(
> > >
> > > My only major concern with the distribution is that it is too hard to
> > > use. There are little bits spread all over the Internet, they compete
> > > with each other in confusing ways. They aren't that easy to install. 
The
> > > SIG distribution is too large. We need Python 1.6 or 1.53 to have
> > > "Python batteries included".
> > >
> > > I would suggest we should evaluate the 4thought stuff (minus CORBA
> > > (sorry!)) from that point of view. As an integrated package it is
> > > incredibly powerful and competitive with anything they have in the 
Java
> > > world. And we should finish and standardize EasySAX -- perhaps with an
> > > eye to stealing some ideas from SAXON.
> > >
> > >  Paul Prescod
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > XML-SIG maillist  -  XML-SIG@python.org
> > > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/xml-sig
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > XML-SIG maillist  -  XML-SIG@python.org
> > http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/xml-sig

> --
> ----------------
> Mike Olson
> Consulting Member
> FourThought LLC
> http://www.fourthought.com  http://opentechnology.org


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