I just got my first Mac. I know issues with Mac graphics have been discussed before, but I'm not sure what is relevant with OSX Lion. With the active state Tcl and the standard python.org python and idle appears fine. Still if I try running a Zelle graphic program inside or outside idle I get a freeze. The massive installation through MacPorts, that uses X11 for graphics makes my Zelle graphics library Tk based programs work fine, but the X11 version of Idle has many of the common keyboard shortcuts not working, and is (intensionally) not the standard Apple menu setup. What am I missing? Thanks, -- Dr. Andrew N. Harrington Computer Science Department Loyola University Chicago Lakeshore office in the Math Department: 205 Loyola Hall http://www.cs.luc.edu/~anh Phone: 773-915-7999 Fax: 312-915-7998 aharrin@luc.edu