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[lxml-dev] memory management strategies
by Victor Ng 19 Oct '04

19 Oct '04

Hmm... I've got too many email addresses and the lxml mailing list held up my last email. Lets try that again. vic -- I've released the first embryonic version of the libxml2 wrapper that I've been working on. I'm not feeling very witty so I called it vlibxml2. Short blurb: http://www.crankycoder.com/archives/2004/10/vlibxml2_first.html The tarball: http://www.crankycoder.com/archives/vlibxml2-0.0.1.tar.gz There's a bunch of stuff that still needs work, but in general, I think the code is not so embarrassing that I have to hide it anymore. I've tried to maintain API compatibility with libxml2 - with the exception that I do garbage collection for you. I chose not to use ElementTree as the base line, mainly because I don't want to have to think too much as I add in more features from libxml2's C API. Adding abstractions like ElementTree over top of a properly garbage collected libxml2 should be easy anyway - I'm more concerned with having a complete XML featureset. === How to use it: Easy - it's basically a really really stripped down libxml2. import vlibxml2 node = vlibxml2.newNode('foo') node.setProp('bar', '123') batz= vlibxml2.newNode('batz') node.addChild( batz ) assert node.children()[0] == batz assert batz.parent() == node assert node.prop('bar') == '123' assert node.xpathEval('//batz')[0] == batz That's pretty much everything for now. === Stuff that will get fixed in the immediate future (in order): - get a proper memory leak detector into vlibxml2. I'm planning on porting the libxml2 memory leak detector over. I'm currently just asserting that in DEBUG mode, the garbage collector never free's the same pointer twice. This could potentially give you a false positive failure in the case that you free a node, allocate a new node and free the new node, but the new node has the same address as the old node. Anyway - I really want to fix it as it's the only way I'll really feel comfortable with the memory management. - currently all xmlNode objects belong to some xmlDoc object. Creating a new xmlNode object implicitly creates a root xmlDoc object. This is not the same behavior as libxml2, so I should probably not do the same thing. Plus it's a double malloc/free which is never a really good thing. - add namespace support. I want to be able to generate and parse SOAP, XML-RPC and RSS/Atom. That means I need to suport xmlNamespace stuff. - add xmlReader support. I actually have a real need to parse XML files of ~100MB. I'd like to be able to handle close to 500MB of data if possible. It should at least be possible to do something like that - and that means having an alternate to the DOM way of doing things. Getting this stuff to work may be finicky as it probably involves playing with the global interpreter lock as libxml2 will need to make callbacks to Pyrex code. Luckily - there's been some example code posted to the Pyrex mailing list recently so I'm not too intimidated by this. ==The sort've bad news== This release is being released under the GPL. I'm not-so-slowly turning into a free software nerd from an open source nerd. This may make some people mad - I'm open to changing the license, but for now I'm most comfortable with the GPL. If I hear a good argument, I'd switch to the PSF Python license, but for now - it's GPL. Source access: I've decided to keep all the code on my own SVN repository - I need to sort out some security issues before I start expose the repository to other people. I've already got Trac installed (http://trac.edgewall.com) for bug tracking and wiki documentation. Again - it's just a matter of setting up security and splicing up projects in Trac, but it's coming. vic --- Don't be humble ... you're not that great. -- Golda Meir On 15-Oct-04, at 10:09 AM, Fred Drake wrote: > On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 04:14:07 +0200, Martijn Faassen > <faassen(a)infrae.com> wrote: >> If you want checkin rights for lxml, check with Philipp (see mail to >> Victor). > > Got those already, just haven't had any time to work on them. > > > -Fred > > -- > Fred L. Drake, Jr. <fdrake at gmail.com> > Zope Corporation > _______________________________________________ > lxml-dev mailing list > lxml-dev(a)codespeak.net > http://codespeak.net/mailman/listinfo/lxml-dev >

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[lxml-dev] memory management strategies
by Martijn Faassen 15 Oct '04

15 Oct '04

Hi everybody, I'm trying to figure out strategies to manage memory automatically in lxml in the context of libxml2 trees. Some of my incomplete thinking and description of the problem has been encapsulated in the following document: http://codespeak.net/svn/lxml/trunk/doc/memorymanagement.txt It's quite possible that I'm making things more complicated than necessary, as Vic said. I'm quite curious to hear Vic's and other people's thinking about this. The basic concept is that libxml2 maintains a tree representing XML. This tree can be manipulated by a host of C functions. lxml wraps this tree in two ways now. The wrapping is done by proxies written in Pyrex that typically stand in for a node in the libxml2 tree and expose informationon it. One wrapper, the one I started first, aims to provide an ElementTree API to the libxml2 tree. ElementTree is a pythonic and lightweight way to manipulate XML written by Fredrik Lundh, and lxml just tries to mimic that API as much as possible. The wrapping is currently incomplete, mostly due to the thorny memory management issues. The other wrapper which I started later provides a classical W3C DOM API. It's pretty good in the real-only department already, but as soon as I started considering writeable DOM the memory management issues came up again in full force. Help, please! Regards, Martijn

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[lxml-dev] wrapping libxml2 with ctypes
by Thomas Heller 11 Oct '04

11 Oct '04

I'm interested in wrapping (parts of) libxml2 with ctypes. Not because I have a use case for it right now, but because I need a larger project to drive ctypes to the limit, and to get more experience with it. As I understand it, there are already Python bindings using pyrex to parts of libxml - it would also be very interesting to compare the speed of the pyrex bindings to ctypes bindings. So I'm interested in answers to these questions: Are the bindings stable? Is the python api documented? Are there unittests, and what do they cover? Thanks, Thomas

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Re: [lxml-dev] memory management strategies
by Martijn Faassen 07 Oct '04

07 Oct '04

vng1(a)mac.com wrote: > I see what you mean now. The document-less garbage collection case is > the last garbage collection case I have to deal with. Everything else > seems to work for me now. > > Hmm... I think I'm going to have to create temporary xmlDoc objects for > each xmlNode. That seems to be the easiest solution. > > In that case you need to make sure all the documents share their libxml2 dictionaries; otherwise moving nodes between documents will result in memory corruption. The ElementTree implementation in lxml does this, though it still has to cope with other issues. The relevant section of code is mainly the slightly misnamed Parser class, which has one global instance to ensure sharing of all dictionaries. I hope you'll be interested in merging your code into lxml at some future time; it'd be nice if we could get the DOM and ElementTree wrapper use your memory management strategy. Regards, Martijn

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