CC'ed to -developers to note that pipermail's threading seems either broken/fragile, and to note that the mbox archives for the -users list are borked (early apparency is that Pipermail is excessively restrictive on In-Reply-To header field formats).
On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 08:18:55 +0100 Lucas Hofman <lucas.hofman@pgs.com> wrote:
On Friday 02 November 2001 09:53, J C Lawrence wrote:
On Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:42:33 +0100
exmh. Quoting the headers from this very message:
In-Reply-To: Message from Lucas Hofman <lucas.hofman@pgs.com> of "Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:42:33 +0100." <0111021004.AA1004693972@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com> References: <0111021004.AA1004693972@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com>
There are gone when the message arrives at my workstation (at least, kmail 'show all headers' does not reveal them). Neither in the copy received from your not the one sent by the list.
Which is then a problem with your mail setup, and is not specific to either the mail I send, or the mailman lists at Python.Org. Quoting the full headers from another message I sent to this forum:
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X-envelope-from: mailman-users-admin@python.org Tue Nov 06 12:46:03 2001
Return-path: <mailman-users-admin@python.org>
Envelope-to: claw@localhost
Delivery-date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 12:46:03 -0800
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In-reply-to: Message from "Leonard Jacobs" <ljacobs@shambhala.com>
of "Tue, 06 Nov 2001 13:27:57 EST." <3BE7E55D.13726.2154F0A@localhost>
References: <3BE7E55D.13726.2154F0A@localhost>
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Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] resolving qfiles stuck in the queue
From: J C Lawrence <claw@2wire.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 12:41:25 -0800
To: Ljacobs@shambhala.com
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
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Unfortunately the mbox files for the archives at python.org are borked, but checking other posts of mine there universally show correct in-Reply-To: and References: headers. eg:
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From claw@kanga.nu Thu Nov 1 18:00:37 2001 From: claw@kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 10:00:37 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] threaded view on archive does not work In-Reply-To: Message from Lucas Hofman <lucas.hofman@pgs.com> of "Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:30:22 +0100." <0111011004.AA1004610438@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com> References: <0111011004.AA1004610438@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com> Message-ID: <29859.1004637637@kanga.nu> --<cut>>--
Do you have any any why your messages do not hread in the mailman user maillist archive?
No.
In other words, could it be that the mail system at python.org does not see those headers too?
No. This would appear to be another Pipermail bug. As you can see here:
http://www.kanga.nu/archives/MUD-Dev-L/2001Q4/thread.php#00434
my messages thread properly under MHonArc (a tool I know handles thread headers properly).
-- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw@kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.