Re: [Mailman-Users] threaded view on archive does not work
CC'ed to -developers to note that pipermail's threading seems either broken/fragile, and to note that the mbox archives for the -users list are borked (early apparency is that Pipermail is excessively restrictive on In-Reply-To header field formats).
On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 08:18:55 +0100 Lucas Hofman <lucas.hofman@pgs.com> wrote:
On Friday 02 November 2001 09:53, J C Lawrence wrote:
On Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:42:33 +0100
exmh. Quoting the headers from this very message:
In-Reply-To: Message from Lucas Hofman <lucas.hofman@pgs.com> of "Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:42:33 +0100." <0111021004.AA1004693972@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com> References: <0111021004.AA1004693972@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com>
There are gone when the message arrives at my workstation (at least, kmail 'show all headers' does not reveal them). Neither in the copy received from your not the one sent by the list.
Which is then a problem with your mail setup, and is not specific to either the mail I send, or the mailman lists at Python.Org. Quoting the full headers from another message I sent to this forum:
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X-envelope-from: mailman-users-admin@python.org Tue Nov 06 12:46:03 2001
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In-reply-to: Message from "Leonard Jacobs" <ljacobs@shambhala.com>
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Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] resolving qfiles stuck in the queue
From: J C Lawrence <claw@2wire.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 12:41:25 -0800
To: Ljacobs@shambhala.com
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
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Unfortunately the mbox files for the archives at python.org are borked, but checking other posts of mine there universally show correct in-Reply-To: and References: headers. eg:
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From claw@kanga.nu Thu Nov 1 18:00:37 2001 From: claw@kanga.nu (J C Lawrence) Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 10:00:37 -0800 Subject: [Mailman-Users] threaded view on archive does not work In-Reply-To: Message from Lucas Hofman <lucas.hofman@pgs.com> of "Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:30:22 +0100." <0111011004.AA1004610438@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com> References: <0111011004.AA1004610438@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com> Message-ID: <29859.1004637637@kanga.nu> --<cut>>--
Do you have any any why your messages do not hread in the mailman user maillist archive?
No.
In other words, could it be that the mail system at python.org does not see those headers too?
No. This would appear to be another Pipermail bug. As you can see here:
http://www.kanga.nu/archives/MUD-Dev-L/2001Q4/thread.php#00434
my messages thread properly under MHonArc (a tool I know handles thread headers properly).
-- J C Lawrence ---------(*) Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. claw@kanga.nu He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.
There's another couple things in pipermail that I also wanted to bring up.
#1. Having the link to "Download the raw archive" is IMHO a serious serurity leak. This link to the .mbox file allows the user to grab every email address that has posted to the list... even if you have Mailman "remove" them. I take this out of every install I do. How many people really want a .mbox style file anyways, with all the header junk?
#2. Apparently messages like mine don't wrap properly, because Pipermail uses the <pre> </pre> to display it. Would not a better approach be to simply change the font to a fixed-width style? From what I read of the HTML spec, most all html tags within the <pre>s still get executed.
Bob
On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 11:53:06PM -0500, Bob Puff@NLE wrote:
There's another couple things in pipermail that I also wanted to bring up.
#1. Having the link to "Download the raw archive" is IMHO a serious serurity leak. This link to the .mbox file allows the user to grab every email address that has posted to the list... even if you have Mailman "remove" them. I take this out of every install I do. How many people really want a .mbox style file anyways, with all the header junk?
That'd be those of us who use a Real Mail Program to handle mail and want to use it to sift through archives, too.
#2. Apparently messages like mine don't wrap properly, because Pipermail uses the <pre> </pre> to display it. Would not a better approach be to simply change the font to a fixed-width style? From what I read of the HTML spec, most all html tags within the <pre>s still get executed.
IIRC, I grabbed such an archive from some Mailman maintained list somewhere, and was agahst to see that *everything* in it had been HTMLized and PREized. I wish I could remember where, so I could figure out if it was merely horribly configured...
Cheers, -- jra
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