-----Original Message----- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:mark@msapiro.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:23 PM To: Brian Carpenter; 'Gabriel Millerd'; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postings deferred by Yahoo
Brian Carpenter wrote:
I find it very problematic when a large ISP such as AOL and Yahoo
allows their users to define what is spam is and what is not.
Well, in one sense, only the final recipient can determine what is spam and what is not, but I certainly agree that providing a "this is spam" button that a user can click by accident or for any number of spurious reasons, and then using that click to label the sending server as a (possible, probable, ?) spam source is fraught with difficulty.
This wouldn't be a problem if they just applied a filter to that person's e-mail address but to block an server's IP from sending any e-mail to all their users? <shudders>
The really bad situation is when an e-mail forwarder that is setup on my server that forwards both legitimate mail and spam (when it makes it through my anti-spam system) to their AOL or Yahoo account and the user then clicks that wicked "spam" button and inadvertently reports my server as a source of spam. It's a tragic case of mistaken identity and none of the major e-mail providers are willing to come up with a system that doesn't target the middle man.
I would hope that any service that does this would make it simple for senders to get reports of this so they can try to address people's problems. I think AOL does, although I haven't tried to sign up for their feedback loop.
AOL is very easy to get on their feedback loop and they have at least demonstrated a willingness to work with a mail administrator.
Certainly Yahoo doesn't seem to make it easy (although I just submitted their request form, we'll see), and it is not easy (so far impossible for me) to get on Microsoft's Junk Mail Reporting Partner program.
Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Wait till you get Yahoo's response asking you to add every single domain name you want a report on, to a text file along with its domainkeys. For a hosting company that hosts thousands of domains, such a request is ridiculous. AOL does it by the IP address not by domain.
Regards, Brian
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