password reminder for moderator?
hello all, i'm using mailman 2.1.8. A user who acts as a moderator forgot his password. As administrator, i can reset a new password for the moderator, but is it possible to have a password reminder for the moderator? i know that mailman just needs a password to moderate the message, and don't need an email. But the email is stored in mailman, so i'm wondering if there is a form somewhere to permit the moderator to reset his password without admin action.
thanks in advance for help,
gerard
Gerard Henry wrote:
i'm using mailman 2.1.8. A user who acts as a moderator forgot his password. As administrator, i can reset a new password for the moderator, but is it possible to have a password reminder for the moderator?
No. List admin and moderator passwords are kept in an encrypted form and the plain text password is not retrievable.
i know that mailman just needs a password to moderate the message, and don't need an email. But the email is stored in mailman, so i'm wondering if there is a form somewhere to permit the moderator to reset his password without admin action.
No there is not.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
On 01/11/12 05:36 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
Gerard Henry wrote:
i'm using mailman 2.1.8. A user who acts as a moderator forgot his password. As administrator, i can reset a new password for the moderator, but is it possible to have a password reminder for the moderator?
No. List admin and moderator passwords are kept in an encrypted form and the plain text password is not retrievable.
ok, but the idea was to receive an url to reset it, not to retrieve it. The problem is that moderators are persons who forgot regularly the password, and instead of asking the administrator, they do nothing and pending messages become numerous... or, since all the moderators share the same password (since i can only set one password for moderator), they tend to write it somewhere (image 3-4 persons sharing the moderator role) and it may happen that anybody can get it...? ok, writing this and i understand that the problem isn't easy... but the need is here, because some lists need to be moderated by several people.
thanks for the reply
i know that mailman just needs a password to moderate the message, and don't need an email. But the email is stored in mailman, so i'm wondering if there is a form somewhere to permit the moderator to reset his password without admin action.
No there is not.
On 01/11/12 05:36 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
Gerard Henry wrote:
i'm using mailman 2.1.8. A user who acts as a moderator forgot his password. As administrator, i can reset a new password for the moderator, but is it possible to have a password reminder for the moderator?
No. List admin and moderator passwords are kept in an encrypted form and the plain text password is not retrievable.
i'm sorry if this is a newbie question, but why the moderator is not taken as a member of a list? in my opinion, this is often the case, isn't ? and if the moderator is also a member of the list, he has to remember two different password, not very friendly
gerard
I guess the payoff is that the software works well, is free, and maintained for free. Plus, we have Mr Sapiro who nicely answers our questions for free.
Thanks Mark!!
Sorry, the response just bugged me.
On 1/11/2012 2:18 PM, Gerard Henry wrote:
On 01/11/12 05:36 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
Gerard Henry wrote:
i'm using mailman 2.1.8. A user who acts as a moderator forgot his password. As administrator, i can reset a new password for the moderator, but is it possible to have a password reminder for the moderator?
No. List admin and moderator passwords are kept in an encrypted form and the plain text password is not retrievable.
i'm sorry if this is a newbie question, but why the moderator is not taken as a member of a list? in my opinion, this is often the case, isn't ? and if the moderator is also a member of the list, he has to remember two different password, not very friendly
gerard
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Gerard Henry writes:
i'm sorry if this is a newbie question, but why the moderator is not taken as a member of a list?
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Some moderators moderate many lists (in some cases, hundreds, but dozens are not uncommon), and are members of few. For those people who operate that way, "auto-membership" would be a significant annoyance, and in mass-moderation contexts, it would all come at once. OTOH, people can only read so many lists, and they will join as they become interested, thus amortizing the scutwork.
in my opinion, this is often the case, isn't ? and if the moderator is also a member of the list, he has to remember two different password, not very friendly
With multiple moderators, that would mean that they can all access each other's subscriptions. Also the moderator can change her personal password.
Frank Bell writes:
I guess the payoff is that the software works well, is free, and maintained for free. Plus, we have Mr Sapiro who nicely answers our questions for free.
Thanks Mark!!
I'll certainly second this!
Sorry, the response just bugged me.
I understand your irritation[1], but please remember that even if a person's English seems impeccable, the .fr (etc) indicates that it is probably his second (or third) language. Courteous forms differ in different languages, and they're quite hard to learn (try Japanese if you're into pain!) After all, he did try to soften it with a reference to "newbie question".
Footnotes: [1] Sorry, Gerard, I can't explain. :-( Maybe better phrasing would be "It seems to me this case is very common. Would it be helpful to have an option?"
I also just realized that it's technically not possible to auto-subscribe moderators in Mailman 2, because moderators are identified not by their email address, but by possession of the moderator password. So Mailman doesn't know who to subscribe!
Gerard Henry wrote:
ok, but the idea was to receive an url to reset it, not to retrieve it.
As I indicated, there is currently no admin/moderator reset request mechanism. This would not work well with multiple admins or moderators.
This will all change in Mailman 3. There an individual will have only one registration in a particular Mailman installation with a password reset mechanism. That one person can have multiple email addresses and multiple roles. E.g., member of list 1 with delivery to address 1, digest member of list 2 with delivery to address 2, moderator and member of list 3, and so forth.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
Gerard Henry wrote:
and if the moderator is also a member of the list, he has to remember two different password, not very friendly
This will change in Mailman 3. See my immediately previous reply.
-- Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan
On 01/12/12 06:05 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Frank Bell writes:
I guess the payoff is that the software works well, is free, and maintained for free. Plus, we have Mr Sapiro who nicely answers our questions for free.
Thanks Mark!!
I'll certainly second this!
Sorry, the response just bugged me.
I understand your irritation[1], but please remember that even if a person's English seems impeccable, the .fr (etc) indicates that it is probably his second (or third) language. Courteous forms differ in different languages, and they're quite hard to learn (try Japanese if you're into pain!) After all, he did try to soften it with a reference to "newbie question".
Footnotes: [1] Sorry, Gerard, I can't explain. :-( Maybe better phrasing would be "It seems to me this case is very common. Would it be helpful to have an option?"
I also just realized that it's technically not possible to auto-subscribe moderators in Mailman 2, because moderators are identified not by their email address, but by possession of the moderator password. So Mailman doesn't know who to subscribe!
thanks for all replies, and sorry if i hurt with my "bad" english. You're perfectly right... I'm using mailman since many years, and as you can see at the archives, i rarely post because i have no problem.
gerard
On 01/12/12 07:35 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
Gerard Henry wrote:
ok, but the idea was to receive an url to reset it, not to retrieve it.
As I indicated, there is currently no admin/moderator reset request mechanism. This would not work well with multiple admins or moderators.
This will all change in Mailman 3. There an individual will have only one registration in a particular Mailman installation with a password reset mechanism. That one person can have multiple email addresses and multiple roles. E.g., member of list 1 with delivery to address 1, digest member of list 2 with delivery to address 2, moderator and member of list 3, and so forth.
good new! very thanks for your job
gerard
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