Thanks, but I hope there's a better way. I just switched from EZMLM to Mailmain and I never had this problem. The auto-replies used to go to the person that posted the message, not to the list.
Camille
-----Original Message----- From: Greg Ward [mailto:gward@mems-exchange.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 1:18 PM To: Camille K. Powell Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Responses
How do I stop subscriber's auto-responses from auto-replying directly to
On 06 November 2001, Camille K. Powell said: the
list?
Send mail to the postmaster at the subscriber's domain, politely asking them to shut off the brain-damaged auto-responder. If that doesn't work, block the subscriber in some way: disable their subscription, don't allow them to post, etc.
Greg
On 06 November 2001, Camille K. Powell said:
Thanks, but I hope there's a better way. I just switched from EZMLM to Mailmain and I never had this problem. The auto-replies used to go to the person that posted the message, not to the list.
That may have something to do with the fact that ezmlm crafts a separate message, with a unique SMTP sender, for each message to each list member. That's more expensive (in temporary storage, bandwidth, and CPU) than Mailman's approach, but probably makes bounce-handling much simpler for ezmlm than it is for Mailman.
On reflection, I can't understand why a auto-responder would send auto-responses to the *list*. They should either go to the list admin address (if the autoresponder looks at the SMTP sender) or to the original sender (if it looks at the "From" header). Eg. here are some headers from my last post to this list: it do so!):
Return-path: <mailman-users-admin@python.org> [...skip Received headers...] To: "Camille K. Powell" <cpowell@asciences.com> Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Auto-Responses Message-ID: <20011106131756.B17237@mems-exchange.org> [...] From: Greg Ward <gward@mems-exchange.org> Sender: mailman-users-admin@python.org Errors-To: mailman-users-admin@python.org X-BeenThere: mailman-users@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 (101270) Precedence: bulk List-Help: <mailto:mailman-users-request@python.org?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:mailman-users@python.org> List-Subscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>, <mailto:mailman-users-request@python.org?subject=subscribe> List-Id: Mailman mailing list management users <mailman-users.python.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users>, <mailto:mailman-users-request@python.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/>
An autoresponder that receives this message should either look at the return-path (a header for the SMTP sender), or the "From" header, or the "Sender" header. In none of those cases would it auto-respond to mailman-users@python.org.
Hmmm: you don't happen to have "Reply-to the list" set on your list, do you?
Greg-- Greg Ward - software developer gward@mems-exchange.org MEMS Exchange http://www.mems-exchange.org
On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 01:26:04PM -0500, Camille K. Powell wrote:
Thanks, but I hope there's a better way. I just switched from EZMLM to Mailmain and I never had this problem. The auto-replies used to go to the person that posted the message, not to the list.
Actually both are wrong, auto-replies are supposed to go to the envelope sender, which is the list admin address.
Ezmlm is much smarter than mailman for bounce processing since it uses VERP and knows exactly which user bounced.
That said, unless you have a list that does reply to munging (forcing the reply-to to the list), auto responses should never ever reach the list, whether you're using ezmlm or mailman If an auto-responder is broken to the point that it answers receipients in the To/Cc fields, you can block the sender, but neither mailman or ezmlm can do anything about it.
If you are using reply-to munging, that may be another reason to consider not doing it (but the sending mail server is still at fault)
Marc
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