I'm so very sorry to trouble you but I'm unable to figure out something on our Mailman 2.1.4 list server. I'm not a technical person, and I've tried my best to find the information within the help and docs, but I'm just stumped.
Sometimes, when a posting goes out over a list, recipients see the following ...
-----Original Message----- From: listname-bounces@listserv.utmem.edu [mailto:listname-bounces@listserv.utmem.edu]On Behalf Of Rick Sipes Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 10:55 AM To: listname@listserv.utmem.edu Subject: [owners] Blah Blah Blah ...
What I'm talking about is instead of seeing it from me (rsipes@utmem.edu) for example, some, but not all of the recipients see it coming from *-bounces@listserv.utmem.edu . I have bounce processing turned off for the list.
The messages do get delivered, and other than confusion, it is working.
I love the software. We run it on a Red Hat Linux box for our small campus here in Memphis. It has about 135 lists on it.
Anyway, thanks for any help you can point me toward!!!
Sincerely,
Rick Sipes Memphis, Tennessee 901-448-5848
At 9:05 AM -0500 2004/05/07, Rick Sipes wrote:
What I'm talking about is instead of seeing it from me (rsipes@utmem.edu) for example, some, but not all of the recipients see it coming from *-bounces@listserv.utmem.edu . I have bounce processing turned off for the list.
The problem is almost certainly because some clients display different addresses for the messages they receive.
The messages do get delivered, and other than confusion, it is working.
The envelope sender address is unchanged, what changes is which client displays what.
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Thomas Hochstein wrote:
Rick Sipes schrieb:
What I'm talking about is instead of seeing it from me (rsipes@utmem.edu) for example, some, but not all of the recipients see it coming from *-bounces@listserv.utmem.edu .
Yes. Outlook (Express) is infamous for this more than strange display of headers.
Really? I've been using OE and Mailman for several years and I've never seen any kind of strange display of headers or the From field in any email.
Do you have more specific info about this problem?
hth, texas critter
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On 9 May 2004, at 00:35, texas critter wrote:
Thomas Hochstein wrote:
Rick Sipes schrieb:
What I'm talking about is instead of seeing it from me (rsipes@utmem.edu) for example, some, but not all of the recipients see it coming from *-bounces@listserv.utmem.edu .
Yes. Outlook (Express) is infamous for this more than strange display of headers.
Really? I've been using OE and Mailman for several years and I've never seen any kind of strange display of headers or the From field in any email.
Do you have more specific info about this problem?
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp
hth, texas critter
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Richard Barrett wrote:
On 9 May 2004, at 00:35, texas critter wrote:
Thomas Hochstein wrote:
Yes. Outlook (Express) is infamous for this more than strange display of headers.
Do you have more specific info about this problem?
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp
Ah! That this problem only applies to Outlook, which, despite the name similarity, is quite different from Outlook Express. That FAQ entry says:
"In contrast many other MUAs including version of MS Outlook Express just render the From field using the value of the From mail header."
Outlook does lots of strange things. OE (other than the MS security problems) behaves more normally.
hth, texas critter
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On 9 May 2004, at 07:40, texas critter wrote:
Richard Barrett wrote:
On 9 May 2004, at 00:35, texas critter wrote:
Thomas Hochstein wrote:
Yes. Outlook (Express) is infamous for this more than strange display of headers.
Do you have more specific info about this problem?
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq02.003.htp
Ah! That this problem only applies to Outlook, which, despite the name similarity, is quite different from Outlook Express. That FAQ entry says:
"In contrast many other MUAs including version of MS Outlook Express just render the From field using the value of the From mail header."
I know what the entry FAQ says; I wrote it in July last year after some basic research and a cursory look at how a limited sample of some versions of the MS MUA products worked, following a spate of postings to this list about the displayed From field MS MUA users were seeing.
If you have definitive knowledge about such products then you will note that the FAQ entry invites you to add to the sume total of human knowledge when it says:
<quote> It appears that not all version of MS Outlook have this behaviour. If you know of versions that do or do not, then add the information to this FAQ page. </quote>
Outlook does lots of strange things. OE (other than the MS security problems) behaves more normally.
Well, that is reassuring.
hth, texas critter
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Richard Barrett wrote on Sun, 9 May 2004 08:35:14 +0100:
It appears that not all version of MS Outlook have this behaviour
There is a misunderstanding in that FAQ article: MS Outlook and MS Outlook Express are two totally different programs, despite both having "Outlook" in the name. The article munges the both a bit. I'd simply remove any mention of Outlook Express in it.
Kai
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On 9 May 2004, at 12:31, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
Richard Barrett wrote on Sun, 9 May 2004 08:35:14 +0100:
It appears that not all version of MS Outlook have this behaviour
There is a misunderstanding in that FAQ article: MS Outlook and MS Outlook Express are two totally different programs, despite both having "Outlook" in the name. The article munges the both a bit. I'd simply remove any mention of Outlook Express in it.
So change it. The Mailman FAQ is community help and you do not need an invitation! As long as the changes are rational and non-abusive ...
Too many spectators too few players?
Kai
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Richard Barrett wrote on Sun, 9 May 2004 12:46:56 +0100:
So change it.
I didn't feel like doing so since I'm not very much involved in Mailman. Anyway, have done now.
Kai
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Kai Schaetzl wrote:
There is a misunderstanding in that FAQ article: MS Outlook and MS Outlook Express are two totally different programs, despite both having "Outlook" in the name. The article munges the both a bit. I'd simply remove any mention of Outlook Express in it.
My two cents, leave in the mention of OE since some people don't know there's a difference. The FAQ is correct, it does state in two places that OE functions properly and that the problem only occurs with Outlook.
hth, texas critter
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Richard Barrett wrote:
If you have definitive knowledge about such products then you will note that the FAQ entry invites you to add to the sume total of human knowledge when it says:
The FAQ is correct and doesn't need any changes, it clearly states that the problem is confined to Outlook and that OE displays the From correctly. (And I have no additional info about Outlook since I don't use it for email.)
It was Thomas' post here that was incorrect, that was the purpose of my question and my reply, pointing out to him (and anyone else who might have been confused) that the problem didn't occur in OE, only in Outlook.
So all's well! :)
hth, texas critter
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"texas critter" schrieb:
Yes. Outlook (Express) is infamous for this more than strange display of headers.
Really? I've been using OE and Mailman for several years and I've never seen any kind of strange display of headers or the From field in any email.
Just omit the word in brackets in my mail ... Obviously OE is doing it correctly.
Sorry, -thh
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