On Apr 28, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Robert Kern wrote:
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 11:05, Travis Oliphant firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
On Apr 26, 2010, at 7:19 PM, David Warde-Farley wrote:
Trying to debug code written by an undergrad working for a colleague of mine who ported code over from MATLAB, I am seeing an ugly melange of matrix objects and ndarrays that are interacting poorly with each other and various functions in SciPy/other libraries. In particular there was a custom minimizer function that contained a line "a * b", that was receiving an Nx1 "matrix" and a N-length array and computing an outer product. Hence the unexpected 6 GB of memory usage and weird results...
Overloading '*' and '**' while convenient does have consequences. It would be nice if we could have a few more infix operators in Python to allow separation of element-by-element calculations and "dot- product" calculations.
A proposal was made to allow "calling a NumPy array" to infer dot product:
a(b) is equivalent to dot(a,b)
a(b)(c) would be equivalent to dot(dot(a,b),c)
This seems rather reasonable.
While I don't have any spare cycles to push it forward and we are already far along on the NumPy to 3.0, I had wondered if we couldn't use the leverage of Python core developers wanting NumPy to be ported to Python 3 to actually add a few more infix operators to the language.
One of the problems of moving to Python 3.0 for many people is that there are not "new features" to outweigh the hassle of moving. Having a few more infix operators would be a huge incentive to the NumPy community to move to Python 3.
Anybody willing to lead the charge with the Python developers?
There is currently a moratorium on language changes. This will have to wait.
Exceptions can always be made for the right reasons. I don't think this particular question has received sufficient audience with Python core developers. The reason they want the moratorium is for stability, but they also want Python 3k to be adopted.