PSF hosted PyPy infrastructure
Hello, I’m writing to get a discussion started regarding the future of PyPy infrastructure hosted with the PSF. This currently includes: - pypy.org <http://pypy.org/> - speed.pypy.org <http://speed.pypy.org/> - downloads.python.org/pypy <http://downloads.python.org/pypy> In April, I contacted pypy-sync on IRC to discuss how DNS records are handled for pypy.org as it has been a barrier to making changes to PSF infrastructure in the past. Because it is the only domain the PSF infrastructure team does not have access to change we have had trouble completing migrations that are related to this specific record. Two things were mentioned that clearly got misconstrued by one of the members of pypy-sync. 1) After noting scroll back mentioning some other domain, I mentioned that the PSF is always available to accept transfer of Python ecosystem domains and maintain their renewal in perpetuity 2) I said "on that note, i'm once again planning some migrations and the apex record pypy.org is once again... an annoyance. The PSF infrastructure is going to institute a policy in the coming months that for infrastructure we host/provide we need access to DNS to make changes to PSF Infra relevant records. who is best to discuss this with?” When I returned, I found that a discussion had ensued that presumed a lot of intent and was honestly hurtful. Since it occurred outside of a PSF online space, I didn’t really have any recourse and just left the channel, I have not returned. So here’s where we’re at: The PSF is always happy to provide any kind of service or resource to PyPy or any Python-related project, but we do need appropriate access to do that right. For example, we can't host services if we can't update DNS records in a timely manner. We need to either formalize a relationship between the PyPy team and PSF infrastructure or part ways for the hosted infrastructure listed above. This formalized relationship will need to have agreements regarding common access to some resources at a minimum and also agree to discuss/collaborate on infrastructure needs in a space governed by the PSF Code of Conduct. -Ee Durbin Director of Infrastructure Python Software Foundation
Hello Ee,
When I returned, I found that a discussion had ensued that presumed a lot of intent and was honestly hurtful.
Maciej did express his concerns in an unhelpful way, and I'm sorry you were on the receiving end. I share some of Maciej's concerns about some of the PSF's stances, but that conversation didn't benefit anyone. For what it's worth, I don't think Maciej intended to presume anything about your intent. I can't apologise on Maciej's behalf, but thank you for writing here even though the conversation on IRC was shitty. Regarding the DNS, could you give me an example of the kind of setup that would make things better for you? And what kinds of infrastructure changes are you making? Is it just that servers move around? Or do nameservers also move? Would delegating NS records for certain domains to the right place help? If we just need to delegate some NS records to PSF nameservers, I don't foresee anyone having strong objections. I'm also not a DNS expert, so please excuse and correct anything above that is naive, incorrect or just won't work. Regards & many thanks for all your assistance over the years, Simon
On Thu, Jun 1, 2023 at 7:48 PM Simon Cross <hodgestar@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Ee,
When I returned, I found that a discussion had ensued that presumed a lot of intent and was honestly hurtful.
Maciej did express his concerns in an unhelpful way, and I'm sorry you were on the receiving end. I share some of Maciej's concerns about some of the PSF's stances, but that conversation didn't benefit anyone. For what it's worth, I don't think Maciej intended to presume anything about your intent.
I can't apologise on Maciej's behalf, but thank you for writing here even though the conversation on IRC was shitty.
Regarding the DNS, could you give me an example of the kind of setup that would make things better for you? And what kinds of infrastructure changes are you making? Is it just that servers move around? Or do nameservers also move? Would delegating NS records for certain domains to the right place help?
If we just need to delegate some NS records to PSF nameservers, I don't foresee anyone having strong objections.
I'm also not a DNS expert, so please excuse and correct anything above that is naive, incorrect or just won't work.
Regards & many thanks for all your assistance over the years, Simon
Ee: we are waiting for a reply ... Matti
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Ee Durbin -
matti picus -
Simon Cross