On 10/05/2014 09:36 PM, Ned Deily wrote:
On Oct 5, 2014, at 12:24 , R. David Murray email@example.com wrote:
It is certainly true that I for one ignore anything with his name on it, because most of the time it is noise and it isn't worth the effort to figure out which ones aren't noise.
To me, the main issue is that the noise is not just directed at python committers but also to the python users who have submitted those issues or otherwise following them (via nosy or otherwise). I think the risk is that his noise sends a wrong message to those users: i.e. that python-dev has suddenly taken an interest in this issue and that, by taking the time to create a patch, the issue will somehow get magically resolved. That won't happen, of course, unless a core developer chooses to get involved.
Most of the messages like "can someone look at this" don't seem to send any wrong messages. However, I agree that some of them are a bit pompous, like this one: http://bugs.python.org/issue1284316#msg228480 Responses to hints tend to sound offended: http://bugs.python.org/issue1284316#msg228483
The point of having the issue tracker is to solve problems, not to have a kind of contest about how many issues can be closed. Yes, all things being equal, it is better to have fewer open issues but that's not the primary goal.
The tracker does profit from having less inactive issues that are ready to be closed after a trivial commit, or being out of date or missing requested feedback. I've closed a few such in the last few days because of Mark's pings.
Remember that one thing we'd like users to see before reporting is to search the tracker for similar issues: the less noise they find there the better.
And I am uncomfortable with the risk of users potentially inferring that he is somehow a de-facto "project leader" of Python maintenance.
Well, those users can easily be informed about the circumstances should a question arise.
In total, I think there's no grounds for a ban (yet), but his tone has to be watched. If hints from our side are con ignored or receive ad-hominem responses, that'll change the situation in my opinion.