Hi all, I didn't mean for there to be significant differences between what I posted here versus in the commit message. Sorry for any confusion around that! Thank you for putting them both in one place here - that is helpful. Take care, Keara On Sun, Jun 28, 2020, 16:12 Paul Sokolovsky <pmiscml@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
Shouldn't such feedback be also cross-posted to the python-dev mailing list? Also note the original pull request, https://github.com/python/peps/pull/1470, and differences of what was written in the pull request description and what went in the commit message.
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020 22:10:14 +0200 "Giampaolo Rodola'" <g.rodola@gmail.com> wrote:
From:
https://github.com/python/peps/commit/0c6427dcec1e98ca0bd46a876a7219ee4a9347...
Instead of requiring that comments be written in Strunk & White Standard English, require instead that English-language comments be clear and easily understandable by other English speakers. This accomplishes the same goal without upholding relics of white supremacy. Many native English speakers do not use Standard English as their native dialect, so requiring conformation to Standard English centers whiteness in an inappropriate and unnecessary way, and can alienate and put up barriers for people of color and those whose native dialect of English is not Standard English. This change is a simple way to correct that while maintaining the original intent of the requirement.
This has nothing to do with making the wording "clear and understandable" (I agree on that). It's about, once again, bringing race-based politics into Python, and spreading hate towards a specific group of people: whites. Whether you're aware of it or not, there is a term for this: it's racism. I want to remind everyone that most of us here simply want to contribute code. We do it for free, and don't want to be involved in "this", because frankly it's disgusting. Doing something out of passion and for free, and at the same time seeing these sorts of things happening on a regular basis, looks and feels like an insult, and will only lead to people leaving this place.
On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 11:27 PM Keara Berlin <kearaberlin@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all, this is a very small change, but I thought I would field it here to see if anyone has suggestions or ideas. Instead of requiring that comments be written in Strunk & White Standard English, PEP-8 should require instead that English-language comments be clear and easily understandable by other English speakers. This accomplishes the same goal without alienating or putting up barriers for people (especially people of color) whose native dialect of English is not Standard English. This change is a simple way to correct that while maintaining the original intent of the requirement. This change may even make the requirement more clear to people who are not familiar with Strunk & White, since for programmers, the main relevant aspect of that standard is "be clear and concise;" simply saying that instead of referencing Strunk & White may communicate this more effectively. Here is the current line in PEP-8: "When writing English, follow Strunk and White." I propose changing this line to "When writing English, ensure that your comments are clear and easily understandable to other English speakers." _______________________________________________ Python-ideas mailing list -- python-ideas@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-ideas-leave@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-ideas.python.org/ Message archived at
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