I'm using my mailer's "ignore thread" feature and counting on the fact that the flamers will eventually exhaust themselves (most already have).

Yep, not all threads are going to be equally worthwhile for everyone to read. If a thread is going nowhere productive, the best course of action is oftentimes to ignore new messages.

Also, on most high traffic public MLs, I think it's all but necessary to maintain a "kill file" to filter messages from authors that consistently don't make positive contributions to the discussions. For anyone feeling burned out that still wants to be involved in the technical discussions, I would highly recommend considering a similar approach. There are sometimes cases where an individual may not be necessarily violating the CoC (meaning there's not much that can be done from a moderation PoV) while still being generally negative and/or not worthwhile to read messages from on a regular basis.

On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 6:28 AM Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev <python-dev@python.org> wrote:
I'm using my mailer's "ignore thread" feature and counting on the fact that the flamers will eventually exhaust themselves (most already have).

On 06.07.2020 8:41, Christian Heimes wrote:
> Y'all,
>
> trigger warning: strong opinion
>
> The Urban Dictionary defines the term "tire fire":
>
>    A horrifying mess, either literally or figuratively
>    foul-smelling, that seems to last forever.
>
> The term describes my current view of python-dev perfectly. It has
> always been a problematic and mentally draining place for, sometimes
> even toxic. But the recent PEP-8 discussion trumps every past incident
> (reference to US politics intended).
>
>
> To every person still replying on the PEP-8 thread:
>
>    You are making us sick and should be ashamed of yourself!
>
> And I don't mean 'sick' in the figurative sense. You are literally
> hurting people who are spending their free and personal time to develop
> open source software for you. I know of at least three cases among
> Python core developers with symptoms like sleep disorder, tremor,
> anxiety, and panic attacks. One core dev wrote publicly that they were
> forced to take psychotropic medicine to counter a panic attack after
> they have read just a few messages.
>
>
> At one point I have even considered to retire from Python core
> development completely. I'm profoundly disgusted and appalled by the
> racist attitudes and self-importance of some people as well as an
> unrelated incident on BPO last week. The two reasons I'm not leaving are
>   several core developers that I'm happy to call friends and Python
> communities beyond predominantly male and Western participants on the
> PEP-8 thread. Communities like PyLadies, PyCon Africa, PyLATAM, and
> PyCon APAC make me proud and happy to be a member of the Python
> community. I have met fantastic people at Python and OSS events in the
> Caribbean, India, and East Europe. I don't want to abandon people I
> cherish and grew fond of.
>
>
> At least one other core developer has abandoned python-dev last week.
> Others have stopped participating and posting on python-dev years ago. I
> will follow their example now.
>
> Goodbye
> Christian
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