Jan. 6, 2020
10:43 p.m.
Via Twitter I got ftp://ftp.ntua.gr/mirror/python/search/hypermail/python-recent/, which has earlier python-list archives, ending in April 1995. Not exactly what you were looking for but probably also worth saving before that archive dies. On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 11:56 AM Skip Montanaro <skip.montanaro@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks all. I just pinged Ken and am going to rummage around > mail.python.org for a bit. > > Skip > > On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 12:10 PM Barry Warsaw <barry@python.org> wrote: > >> comp.lang.python and thus python-list definitely predate Mailman. In >> fact, my earliest Python story involves seeing c.l.py creation, browsing >> for a bit (because who doesn’t love a cool little language that just a >> handful of enthusiasts are raving about?), and finding it full only of >> Monty Python jokes. Which of course are great, but why in comp.lang?! >> Thanks, but I’ll stick with Perl. :) >> >> Anyway, python-list and some of the other early lists I can’t find >> details on right now were originally hosted on Majorodomo. Given that the >> Mailman archives only go back to 1999, and Guido (and thus most of the >> Python development infrastructure) had already moved to CNRI by then, it’s >> possible that the original Majordomo archives were never migrated into >> Mailman. I just don’t remember and it would take more archive spelunking >> than I want to do right now. Possibly Ken Manheimer would remember more >> details. >> >> I kind of doubt those original Majordomo archives have survived the >> various hosting migrations since then, but maybe they are laying around on >> mail.python.org some place? >> >> -Barry >> >> > On Jan 6, 2020, at 06:48, Skip Montanaro <skip.montanaro@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 7:25 PM Mark Sapiro <mark@msapiro.net> wrote: >> > On 1/1/20 11:22 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> > > I am looking at the MM2 mailing list creation confirmation messages >> in my personal archives. Both dev@python.org (at 09:49 server local >> time?) and python-dev@python.org (at 14:17) were created on April 19, >> 1999. I don’t remember what happened to dev@ but based on the timeline, >> I’m retroguessing that we created dev@ first, then quickly rethought the >> name, created python-dev@ and retired dev@. >> > >> > Just to provide some closure here, the pipermail archive for python-dev >> > goes back to April 21, 1999. There is one, possibly spurious message >> > from some other list dated March 16, 1995 from Linus Torvalds. >> > >> > Aside from this one message and as far as I can tell, all the other >> > messages from April 21 forward are in the current Hyperkitty archive. >> > >> > (Apologies for letting this drop for a couple days.) >> > >> > I'm still befuddled. When I look at the MM2 archive for python-list, it >> also only goes back to Feb 1999. Surely I'm missing something. Maybe GNU >> Mailman itself isn't much older than 1999. Perhaps python-dev content was >> embedded in python-list/comp.lang.python before Apr 1999, but we were >> certainly discussing development of and in Python well before 1999. Where >> did all the archives go? Maybe it's just my failing memory. I can accept >> that. If you look at the filenames of the earliest python-list and >> python-dev messages in the archives: >> > >> > • New (?) suggestion to solve "assignment-in-while" desire >> (python-list - Feb 1999 - 005101.html) >> > • ZServer 1.0b1: spurious colon in HTTP response line (python-dev >> - Apr 1999 - 095103.html) >> > you get the impression that there must have been earlier messages. >> Wouldn't new lists simply start with message 000000.html by default? The >> first message in the csv mailing list is >> https://mail.python.org/pipermail/csv/2003-January/000000.html. >> > >> > Perhaps what I really pine for are comp.lang.python archives? GMane is >> gone. Google Groups seems to have nothing. They must be someplace. I've >> heard the Internet never forgets. Even if my personal quest (old messages >> about Rattlesnake and other alternative virtual machine projects) fails to >> bear fruit, I suspect there is value in maintaining the history of the >> Python language. >> > >> > Thx again... >> > >> > Skip >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org > To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-leave@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/KNITMEVRZZJY2DHYJBBQPCWKCP2DX7JV/ > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > -- --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido) *Pronouns: he/him **(why is my pronoun here?)* <http://feministing.com/2015/02/03/how-using-they-as-a-singular-pronoun-can-change-the-world/>